What is Craft Beer

[london calling]

Yes there are qite a few Samuel Smiths pubs in London that sell real ale.

I have been in 137 Samuel Smiths pubs,i like their pubs and their beers,i even like the keg version of OBB.

I have been in 34 Samuel Smiths pubs in London 14 had real ale on and 19 had only keg on,the one missing pub is now a
Shepherd Neame tied house.

The pubs in London which had real on were

Lyceum Tavern /covent garden :12/3/1988
Ye Olde Cheshire Cheese /city EC4 : /4/6/2004
Rising Sun /smithfield : 10/6/2004
Chandos /covent garden : 17/7/2004
The Cock /fitzrovia : 4/12/2004
Cittie of York /holborn : 30/12/2003
Blue Posts /fitzrovia : 4/12/2004
Princess Louise /bloomsbury : 4/12/2004
Crown and Sugarloaf /city EC4 : 31/3/2005
Yorkshire Grey /fitzrovia : 15/10/2005
The Angel /covent garden : 12/11/2005
Town Wharf /isleworth : 26/11/2005
Ye Olde Swiss Cottage /swiss cottage : 3/11/2007
The Cardinal /westminster : 11/1/2008

Keg Samuel Smith pubs in London were

Red Lion /soho : 4/12/2004
White Horse /soho : 4/12/2004
The Champion /fitzrovia : 4/12/2004
Bricklayers Arms /fitzrovia : 4/12/2004
Fitzroy Tavern /fitzrovia : 4/12/2004
Captain Kidd /wapping :10/2/2005
Earl of Lonsdale /notting hill : 5/3/2005
Robert Browing /maida vale : 30/4/2005
Dover Castle /marylebone : 30/4/2005
Angel in the Fields /marylebone : 15/10/2005
Duke of York /marylebone : 15/10/2005
Horse and Groom /fitzrovia : 15/10/2005
Duke of Argyl /soho : 12/11/2005
The Crown /bloomsbury : 12/11/2005
The Angel /rotherhithe : 20/5/2006
Anchor Tap /southwark : 20/5/2006
John Snow /soho : 22/2/2007
Glasshouse Stores /soho : 22/2/2007
The Gazebo /kingston : 2/5/2009

There are a few more to do in London yet.

All of this information was taken from my pub lists not the internet,all pubs were visted on the date shown.

That list is badly out of date as I personally think there are only a few cask outlets in London now.

[sheffield hatter]

Lyceum Tavern /covent garden :12/3/1988 PuG review 1st February 2014 - still serving real ale
Ye Olde Cheshire Cheese /city EC4 : /4/6/2004 PuG review 28th February 2014 - still serving real ale
Rising Sun /smithfield : 10/6/2004 PuG review 30th August 2008 - still serving real ale
Chandos /covent garden : 17/7/2004 PuG review 12th November 2013 - still serving real ale
The Cock /fitzrovia : 4/12/2004 PuG review 24th November 2011 - still serving real ale
Cittie of York /holborn : 30/12/2003 PuG review 16th November 2013 - still serving real ale
Blue Posts /fitzrovia : 4/12/2004 PuG review 3rd June 2012 - still serving real ale
Princess Louise /bloomsbury : 4/12/2004 PuG review 26th January 2012 - still serving real ale
Crown and Sugarloaf /city EC4 : 31/3/2005 PuG review 16th June 2013 - no longer serving real ale
Yorkshire Grey /fitzrovia : 15/10/2005 PuG review 11th July 2010 - still serving real ale
The Angel /covent garden : 12/11/2005 PuG review 11th August 2013 - still serving real ale
Town Wharf /isleworth : 26/11/2005 PuG review 18th October 2010 - still serving real ale
Ye Olde Swiss Cottage /swiss cottage : 3/11/2007 PuG review 13th March 2010 - still serving real ale (more recent review makes no mention of beer at all)
The Cardinal (now the Windsor Castle) /westminster : 11/1/2008 PuG review 9th May 2013 - still serving real ale

[rpadam]

That list is badly out of date as I personally think there are only a few cask outlets in London now.

Not sue I agree, since the Crown & Sugarloaf is the only one I know of that has changed to keg. On the other hand, the Dover Castle in Marylebone has changed the other way.

[Al 10000]

Lyceum Tavern /covent garden :12/3/1988 PuG review 1st February 2014 - still serving real ale
Ye Olde Cheshire Cheese /city EC4 : /4/6/2004 PuG review 28th February 2014 - still serving real ale
Rising Sun /smithfield : 10/6/2004 PuG review 30th August 2008 - still serving real ale
Chandos /covent garden : 17/7/2004 PuG review 12th November 2013 - still serving real ale
The Cock /fitzrovia : 4/12/2004 PuG review 24th November 2011 - still serving real ale
Cittie of York /holborn : 30/12/2003 PuG review 16th November 2013 - still serving real ale
Blue Posts /fitzrovia : 4/12/2004 PuG review 3rd June 2012 - still serving real ale
Princess Louise /bloomsbury : 4/12/2004 PuG review 26th January 2012 - still serving real ale
Crown and Sugarloaf /city EC4 : 31/3/2005 PuG review 16th June 2013 - no longer serving real ale
Yorkshire Grey /fitzrovia : 15/10/2005 PuG review 11th July 2010 - still serving real ale
The Angel /covent garden : 12/11/2005 PuG review 11th August 2013 - still serving real ale
Town Wharf /isleworth : 26/11/2005 PuG review 18th October 2010 - still serving real ale
Ye Olde Swiss Cottage /swiss cottage : 3/11/2007 PuG review 13th March 2010 - still serving real ale (more recent review makes no mention of beer at all)
The Cardinal (now the Windsor Castle) /westminster : 11/1/2008 PuG review 9th May 2013 - still serving real ale

Thank you very much Sheffield Hatter ,

For taking the time to look into my list and prove me almost right about the Samuel Smiths pubs i have visited in London

[Aqualung]

While on this diversion from the original thread, does anyone know what the first Sam Smith's pub to open in London was?
There are plenty that I can definitely say are not, but don't have an answer. I believe the Rose of York on the outskirts of Richmond was one of the early ones. I knew it as the Tudor Close when it did Ruddles County. I think one of the Fitzrovia ones goes back a long way.

[Al 10000]

While on this diversion from the original thread, does anyone know what the first Sam Smith's pub to open in London was?
There are plenty that I can definitely say are not, but don't have an answer. I believe the Rose of York on the outskirts of Richmond was one of the early ones. I knew it as the Tudor Close when it did Ruddles County. I think one of the Fitzrovia ones goes back a long way.

In my 1976 GBG it says almost all Samuel Smiths pubs served real ale,there are no Samuel Smiths pubs lised in London in that guide.

By 1981 the Real Beer in London guide lists 4 Samuel Smiths pubs,this was after a quick look through.

These were

Fitzroy Tavern :fitzrovia
Red Lion :soho
Lyceum Tavern : covent garden
Rose of York : richmond

I noticed in my quick look through that guide that these now Samuel Smiths pub were not in 1981

Dover Castle : marylebone
Cock : fitzrovia
Duke of Argyl : soho
The Crown : bloomsbury
Princess Louise : bloomsbury
Ye Olde Cheshire Cheese : city EC4

The Tudor Close that you mentioned was a free house in 1976 stocking 4 real ales Brakspear,Youngs,Ruddles and Whitbread,by 1981 it was under Samuel Smiths.

[Bucking Fastard]

Certainly remember drinking Sam Smith's real ale prior to 1981 in the Lyceum Tavern but ,as I was a session drinker in those days, more than two pints of Sam Smiths I found to be a real struggle. (Just not to my taste.) So we often looked for pastures new on the real ale front after an hour in The Lyceum Tavern,finding a decent pint in London was never easy those days.

[Aqualung]

In my 1976 GBG it says almost all Samuel Smiths pubs served real ale,there are no Samuel Smiths pubs lised in London in that guide.

By 1981 the Real Beer in London guide lists 4 Samuel Smiths pubs,this was after a quick look through.

These were

Fitzroy Tavern :fitzrovia
Red Lion :soho
Lyceum Tavern : covent garden
Rose of York : richmond

I noticed in my quick look through that guide that these now Samuel Smiths pub were not in 1981

Dover Castle : marylebone
Cock : fitzrovia
Duke of Argyl : soho
The Crown : bloomsbury
Princess Louise : bloomsbury
Ye Olde Cheshire Cheese : city EC4

The Tudor Close that you mentioned was a free house in 1976 stocking 4 real ales Brakspear,Youngs,Ruddles and Whitbread,by 1981 it was under Samuel Smiths.

Thanks for that, I had a suspicion that the Lyceum Tavern may be a contender. I don't know the Red Lion in Soho at all.

In the second list I would have discounted them all apart from the Fitzrovia Cock which I don't know. In the late 70's the Princess Louise was a free house with interesting beers. I'm pretty sure that Sam Smiths took over Ye Olde Cheshire Cheese in the early 90s. When I first went there I believe it was about the only pub in London that sold Pedigree, which they used to sell by the barrel load.

[london calling]

Lyceum Tavern /covent garden :12/3/1988 PuG review 1st February 2014 - still serving real ale
Ye Olde Cheshire Cheese /city EC4 : /4/6/2004 PuG review 28th February 2014 - still serving real ale
Rising Sun /smithfield : 10/6/2004 PuG review 30th August 2008 - still serving real ale
Chandos /covent garden : 17/7/2004 PuG review 12th November 2013 - still serving real ale
The Cock /fitzrovia : 4/12/2004 PuG review 24th November 2011 - still serving real ale
Cittie of York /holborn : 30/12/2003 PuG review 16th November 2013 - still serving real ale
Blue Posts /fitzrovia : 4/12/2004 PuG review 3rd June 2012 - still serving real ale
Princess Louise /bloomsbury : 4/12/2004 PuG review 26th January 2012 - still serving real ale
Crown and Sugarloaf /city EC4 : 31/3/2005 PuG review 16th June 2013 - no longer serving real ale
Yorkshire Grey /fitzrovia : 15/10/2005 PuG review 11th July 2010 - still serving real ale
The Angel /covent garden : 12/11/2005 PuG review 11th August 2013 - still serving real ale
Town Wharf /isleworth : 26/11/2005 PuG review 18th October 2010 - still serving real ale
Ye Olde Swiss Cottage /swiss cottage : 3/11/2007 PuG review 13th March 2010 - still serving real ale (more recent review makes no mention of beer at all)
The Cardinal (now the Windsor Castle) /westminster : 11/1/2008 PuG review 9th May 2013 - still serving real ale

I bow to your superior knowledge and am surprised so many still serve cask.You can delete the Town Wharf as its been closed for a few years and was not selling cask before it closed.

[sheffield hatter]

I bow to your superior knowledge and am surprised so many still serve cask.You can delete the Town Wharf as its been closed for a few years and was not selling cask before it closed.

Not superior knowledge - just half an hour of research on Pubs Galore, that excellent pubs listing website!

The Town Wharf in Isleworth is still showing as open on What Pub, and still serving real ale, apparently. Also mentioned in a blog (2012).