What should be included on PG

[Conrad]

I guess there is an element of what you think the site is for. I have always thought that it would be nice to show the British Legion on the site so that branches could be easily found (although I am guessing there is somewhere better for that), I wouldn't particularly want them reviewed though. Similarly it would be nice to for instance show music venues along with a what's on guide to any area, and if we were to do that I think it would be essential to include ticketed venues.

Long term I hope we can do it by improving the filtering and categorisation on the site, but it is hard to know how exactly we are going to do some of that. For now as Strongers says, I think the thing that bothers me more is where we delete any useful input.

[Farway]

I still think that anyone should be able to walk in and have a pint without paying an entrance fee, be that by membership or on the door.

Me to, as noted on 'Review???? thread, Pub is short for Public house, so Joe public must be able to just walk in off the street & buy a pint or other alcholic drink without having to jump through hoops, buy a meal, pay a fee, sign in or complete a form

By definition this must exclude members clubs, staff canteens, sports clubs, swimming pools, airside terminal bars, etc, and sadly for me [& Conrad] British Legion as well

[shoggie]

It’s all fine and dandy only allowing pubs on this site but I do think some
of your comments are in the dark ages somewhat, I mean only pubs that sell cask
ales well that knocks half the pubs out, even though I am a cask drinker.



But I also feel some are a bit behind the times where social clubs are
involved with more and more pubs closing every day in some communities, social
clubs are all they have apart from the odd one or two pubs that to tell you the
truth I would not drink in them if you paid me, with their eye on profit for
the managers than keeping a real good pint.



Whereas social clubs are none profit and the people that manage them are
members that like to drink in them (yes you can be right some are a bit Clichy
but not all) one that I enjoy is like a breath of fresh especially on a weekend
a place where young and old enjoy a good drink at unbelievable prices and not
trouble.



Social clubs might have a fee to join or a nominal day fee but compare that
to some of the prices you pay for in a pub for a pint you might fine it works
out cheaper and for a much nicer pint.

[ROBCamra]

It’s all fine and dandy only allowing pubs on this site but I do think some
of your comments are in the dark ages somewhat, I mean only pubs that sell cask
ales well that knocks half the pubs out, even though I am a cask drinker.
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No idea where you've got this one from. I don't think anyone on here has ever said that only pubs that sell cask ale should be on.

[aleandhearty]

personally I detest places that pretend to be pubs but are really restaurants, clubs or residents only hotel bars. So on that basis my definition of a "pub" is a business that would

sell draught beer (keg or cask)
not have a charge for entry (except maybe Christmas/NewYears),
not restrict entry on the basis of membership, style, looks, etc,
not require the purchase of food in order to purchase drink,

As to Social clubs, I kind of think they should be included oddly, having a lot of x-military relatives (who doesn't)

...so Joe public must be able to just walk in off the street & buy a pint or other alcholic drink without having to jump through hoops, buy a meal, pay a fee, sign in or complete a form

By definition this must exclude members clubs, staff canteens, sports clubs, swimming pools, airside terminal bars, etc, and sadly for me [& Conrad] British Legion as well

I think 'ob' and 'Farway' sum up my views up quite nicely. (As a dyed in the wool tradionalist, I even struggle with boxy modern bars being included!) Although many clubs have a fairly relaxed admissions policy, regarding being signed in, I still feel uncomfortable with the idea of being reliant on someone else to gain entry. This was the reason I never suggested Wakefield Labour Club (although later added by RogerB), even though it's a regular GBG entry.

[Conrad]

But I also feel some are a bit behind the times where social clubs are
involved with more and more pubs closing every day in some communities, social
clubs are all they have apart from the odd one or two pubs that to tell you the
truth I would not drink in them if you paid me, with their eye on profit for
the managers than keeping a real good pint.

So to try and summarise, because we are concerned about the number of pubs closing we should use this site to promote Social Clubs on an equal footing

Sorry, that is a little facetious but I am confused as to what you want a social club on this review site for. Where I have fancied the idea of members venues it is to allow them to promote live acts, or allow veterans to find a drink in a new town. I am just not sure what we gain from showing community social clubs on Pubs Galore.

[NickDavies]

Maybe social clubs could be included but only with their consent and/or making it clear what the entrance requirement is. It wouldn't be fair to put clubs in a position to have to refuse admission to people who'd turned up in good faith "because we found you on the internet"

[Conrad]

Maybe social clubs could be included but only with their consent and/or making it clear what the entrance requirement is. It wouldn't be fair to put clubs in a position to have to refuse admission to people who'd turned up in good faith "because we found you on the internet"

That would require us to check with them, fine if we are charging them (and I fully support that ), but not convenient for us at the moment.

[Al 10000]

It’s all fine and dandy only allowing pubs on this site but I do think some
of your comments are in the dark ages somewhat, I mean only pubs that sell cask
ales well that knocks half the pubs out, even though I am a cask drinker.
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I dont agree with what you are saying this is a Pub Site and your comments saying we only review or allow pubs that have cask ale on the bar is wrong if you have read any of my reviews i always state if a pub sells cask or not and i probably visit more none cask pubs and i still put a review of them on this site.

[Delboy20]

Not this old topic again !!!

Seriously I think it is open to debate and we will never all agree on what should be included. In my opinion if I have to pay to gain entry it is not a "pub". Then we have the grey area as some clubs (such as my local Liberal club) have a seperate bar for non members - I can walk in off the street for a beer so maybe that is a "pub"

How can we include anywhere that has a bar ?? That means every Labour, Liberal, Tory and working mans club should be on here. Then what about other places such as snooker clubs and even casinos - do they really warrant a place on " pubs galore " ??

We need to come up with some rules on this - perhaps we could get our heads together and decide once and for all.

I'll kick off with it must be open to the public - If I can't walk in and have a pint without paying an entrance fee / membership it shouldn't be on the site.

Over to you .......