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    Hi All

    Here is one for you. Do you, as the worthy panel, believe that night clubs should be included on PG? Do you believe that clubs, as in things like Bloxwich & Leamore Working Mens' Club be included, as you have to pay a token day membership fee?

    It is my belief that neither should, though a pub that turns into a night club can be included and a pub that is free to go in, even though it may be in a paying museum's grounds (eg Bottle & Glass, Black Country Museum) can also be included

    What are your thoughts?
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    I do not think anywhere that you have to pay to gain entry should be included, including entrance fee to museum or gardens

    If you can just walk in off the street & buy an alcoholic drink then in it goes, rest leave out

    Otherwise it may annoy some innocent folk expecting to have a pint to find they have to pay, say, 7.50 to gain entrance to Milestones Museum at Basingstoke in order to have a pint in the Edwardian style pub inside

    http://www3.hants.gov.uk/milestones

    Actually been in the pub, beer OK, good for those who like pubs without twigs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farway View Post
    good for those who like pubs without twigs
    I whinged in one pub about the twigs, only to be told the broom had been left out
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    This has come up a few times, the other one 2 categories that popularly slip by are hotels and cafes.

    What interests me more, is why people are adding some of these stretched definitions of pubs. If they have good reason it is worth knowing why as it may be that the site should be broadened in some ways. I have this worried feeling that someone may suggest we have icons to suggest what type of pub/cafe/nightclub/hotel/museum it is .

    It was previously touched on by Hopwas and FILO in a Holiday Inn thread.

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    personally I detest places that pretend to be pubs but are really restaurants, clubs or residents only hotel bars. So on that basis my definition of a "pub" is a business that would

    sell draught beer (keg or cask)
    not have a charge for entry (except maybe Christmas/NewYears),
    not restrict entry on the basis of membership, style, looks, etc,
    not require the purchase of food in order to purchase drink,

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    I would go with Faraway and Old boots . In my walks around Hereford I was surprised by the number of pubs that now open at 5pm + and are obviously aiming themselves at the club crowd. Having spent lots of time in Holiday Inns, Travelodges etc my opinion is a bar is better than no bar. Apart from the poor choice of beer, normally a smooth flow, and over chilled lager they do the job for a thirsty traveller bearing in mind you normally arrive late and these places are stuck out on a trading estate somewhere in the boonies.
    Hotel bars with free public entry have been part of pub scene before the days of the coaching inns.It gave the locals a chance to interact and rip off the traveller with little chance of any come back.I have known some good ones over the years.
    I would never think of entering a social club whether you pay or not.The places are so cliquey I would be afraid of sitting in someones seat or upsetting somebody's cousin 14 times removed.

    While I am working upto an early morning rant I 'd like to get this of my chest. More pubs are charging for parking in an effort to stop commuter parking, fair enough. However to redeem your ticket you have to order something to eat. Your drinks bill is not good enough. On journeys we often have to stop and use the facilities and so have a couple of coffees or a half of beer.Its only a short stop but it bugs me having to pay parking to buy their coffee....rant over.

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    some of these stretched definitions of pubs
    I'm no expert on Kingston & Birmingham and we don't have a Carluccio's in Horsham; we do, however, have a Strada and that's an Italian restaurant! A quick Google indicates that you have, in recent days had a couple of restaurants added!

    While some pubs are clearly pubs and there is plenty of personal interpretation in places, some restaurants are clearly not pubs by any definition!

    Personally, I would have no problem with companion websites for hotels, nightclubs and the rest, with links to & fro, the inclusion of places that are clearly not pubs by any definition will, I feel, lead to a loss of business here as people will not feel they can trust the information, or there's just too much shown in an area for them to take in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farway View Post
    I do not think anywhere that you have to pay to gain entry should be included, including entrance fee to museum or gardens

    If you can just walk in off the street & buy an alcoholic drink then in it goes, rest leave out

    Otherwise it may annoy some innocent folk expecting to have a pint to find they have to pay, say, 7.50 to gain entrance to Milestones Museum at Basingstoke in order to have a pint in the Edwardian style pub inside

    http://www3.hants.gov.uk/milestones

    Actually been in the pub, beer OK, good for those who like pubs without twigs
    There is working pub inside Black County Museum.. Bottle and Glass Inn.



    However in order to drink there, you have to pay around 12 to get in museum!

    There is also working pubs in Coalbrooke museum and Bass Museum in Burton. Both requires admission fee

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    Some good points have been raised.

    Maybe if Conrad () gets a PG research fund together, I could go and check every one out for and

    Seriously, it shows how difficult it can be - Ed's place is Kilvert's 'Hotel', yet it is as good a 'pub' as you will find - i used to avoid hotels as i didnt think of them as pubs, just for the residents. Again, i associate a 'bar' with vodka and lager, but many do have real ale in now. The Freemasons - a pub by me has closed and is about to re-open, refurbed as 'Masons Bar and Restuarant' - the boundaries of what is a restaurant, bar, hotel et al have become so blurred these days. Even the Plum Pudding in Armitage still has 5% of its space given over for drinkers! I think we just have to cut some slack at the end of the day
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulOfHorsham View Post
    I'm no expert on Kingston & Birmingham and we don't have a Carluccio's in Horsham; we do, however, have a Strada and that's an Italian restaurant! A quick Google indicates that you have, in recent days had a couple of restaurants added!
    Strada was added by Wynne Route who has contributed to 1164 pubs in the system (more than 1%), if you take a close look at the picture the awning says Bar on it, which is why we approved it. Carluccios was added by Graham Mason who has contributed to 3491 pubs on the site (more than 5%) and on inspecting the chains web site there was some implication that some of their restaurants had a bar you could drink at, which is why we approved that one.

    Quote Originally Posted by PaulOfHorsham View Post
    Personally, I would have no problem with companion websites for hotels, nightclubs and the rest, with links to & fro, the inclusion of places that are clearly not pubs by any definition will, I feel, lead to a loss of business here as people will not feel they can trust the information, or there's just too much shown in an area for them to take in.
    There is certainly the possiblility of a Restaurants Galore at some future point, and if we can think of a good hook we would clearly do it, if for no other reason than it would likely be a far bigger money spinner than pubs.

    A couple of things come out of this post from my perspective. I mentioned above how we came to approve the 2 named, we do reject a number of pubs of 11527 pubs suggested we have rejected 681 (less than I thought actually). We do this by checking what we can, I do wonder who could police this though, as observed the 2 posters of these venues are some of the most prolific contributors to the site, from our perspective if we don't trust them, who do we trust to police the content.

    As to losing the business, these are the people who are using the site, I think the threat to the business comes from people trying to scam the site, be it adding their DJ business, or libeling a pub they don't like.

    Sorry Paul, not picking on you, it was just your post was the most precise and as such easiest to reply to .

    As to Social clubs, I kind of think they should be included oddly, having a lot of x-military relatives (who doesn't) I would like it if the Royal Legion was listed on here, whilst it doesn't help our Real Ale members, it would help those veterans who are visiting a town and want to find a friendly place to drink.

    And just realised that Soup Dragon has beat me to it.

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