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    Quote Originally Posted by london calling View Post
    The same beer that goes into kegs goes into key kegs.keg beer bad, key keg good.
    I don't think so, John. The beer served from key kegs is not necessarily either pasteurised or filtered. This "explainer" says that the majority of KeyKeg beers are brewery conditioned. (This piece is more than three years old - have things changed since? And is there any progress on the recycling/re-using side of things?) Anyway, some key keg beers are real, some apparently are not.

    The trouble with Camra's "keg beer bad, key keg good" is that as far as I know they don't (as far as I know) help the average beer consumer to make this distinction between live beer in key kegs and pasteurised and/or filtered beer when in the pub. I have rarely seen beers identified in pubs as being served from key kegs, and I don't think I've *ever* seen it made clear that a key keg beer is actually still "live". I'll be happy to be better informed on this point, though. Anyone?
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    It doesn't actually matter to me what the format, I either like the beer or don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobyduck View Post
    It doesn't actually matter to me what the format, I either like the beer or don't.
    I'm with you on this,it's all about the taste.I try to avoid poor real ale,I don't really like over carbonated and very cold keg,but that does leave a very wide field and still a vast improvement over the dark days of the 70's and 80's.

    I do wish that if key keg is being served,that fact is at least acknowleged on the beer menu,perhaps with an additional note that conditioning has occurred away from the brewery if that is the case.That information rarely happens .Maybe I'm being too fussy and maybe that also contradict my first point.....it really should be just about the taste .
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    Quote Originally Posted by london calling View Post
    ...Doombar which no longer needs to be left to settle are undergoing a secondary fermentation.
    Or 'variant of concern' as we'd now call it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mobyduck View Post
    It doesn't actually matter to me what the format, I either like the beer or don't.
    All largely over my head, but I really don't like cask; all too often cold and fizzy. My pint of the delicious Penton oatmeal stout at the House of Hammerton the other day was an utterly different and hugely inferior beer from the cask version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tris39 View Post
    All largely over my head, but I really don't like cask; all too often cold and fizzy. My pint of the delicious Penton oatmeal stout at the House of Hammerton the other day was an utterly different and hugely inferior beer from the cask version.
    From the context, "...I really don't like cask keg" is, I presume, what you meant to write.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bucking Fastard View Post
    I'm with you on this,it's all about the taste. I do wish that if key keg is being served,that fact is at least acknowleged on the beer menu,perhaps with an additional note that conditioning has occurred away from the brewery if that is the case.That information rarely happens .Maybe I'm being too fussy and maybe that also contradict my first point.....it really should be just about the taste .
    Of course it's about the taste! And in that I include the way that the carbonation and extreme cold temperature affects our appreciation of the beer. I don't think it's fussy to expect as much information as possible about the beer that is being offered for sale in pubs. Your experience - "rarely happens" - matches mine.

    I can see arguments for serving beers in keg rather than cask if they are specialist types of beer (such as saisons, sours, barrel aged stouts, etc) that it would be difficult to sell in cask format, i.e. open to contamination by oxygen. In the key keg format the beer is not in contact with extraneous carbon dioxide and can develop in the bag if not filtered/pasteurised, and this would be a good way of serving those types of beer already mentioned, or *any* cask beer in pubs with low turnover.

    The down side of key keg is that it's a new type of container that was launched onto the market before vital concerns such as cost and recycling/reuse had been properly addressed. If the pubs were to make it clear (with Camra's help?) which beers were key keg as opposed to old fashioned CO2-driven, 1970s-style keg, perhaps they would become more popular and hopefully also cheaper and more eco-friendly too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sheffield hatter View Post
    From the context, "...I really don't like cask keg" is, I presume, what you meant to write.
    Of course. I was wondering who was going to be the first to spot that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tris39 View Post
    Of course. I was wondering who was going to be the first to spot that.
    It may had been me but I still in the pub drinking a mix of cask and keg, keykeg? No idea.
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    There would be no point in a pub letting you know if the a keykeg as you would still not know if its real ale or keg style.We soon will be getting more info on what we are drinking as a new law means that the calorie content of beer will have to be displayed.Saw a beer board with all the beers and calories the last time I was out.That nights drinking was over 1200 calories I would guess.Sobering thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by london calling View Post
    .We soon will be getting more info on what we are drinking as a new law means that the calorie content of beer will have to be displayed.Saw a beer board with all the beers and calories the last time I was out.That nights drinking was over 1200 calories I would guess.Sobering thought.
    A lot of gym equipment shows how many calories you have burnt,1200 will take a huge amount of effort.
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