Load of bollocks if you ask meOriginally Posted by oldboots
I'll get me coat
Load of bollocks if you ask me
I'll get me coat
PubCo Code of Conduct
Looks like the Government might be getting tough with the PubCos,
http://www.morningadvertiser.co.uk/G...r-pub-industry
It's a good start, but should it go further and examie th erelationshio between thr Pubcos and the communities in which their properties are located?
This sounds quite complicated,surely the point at issue is pubcos ripping off tenants via weasel worded leases .A pub is a micro business operating in a community and so the key relationship at that level is between the tenant (who hopefully in future wont get ripped off) and the community in which the tenants business (ie the pub) is located.Or have I missed your point ?
"Good people drink good beer" Hunter S Thompson
No you're not missing the point, I was just expanding the scope of the discussion: another issue with Pubcos is the impact that their activities have on communities in the long term. A pub is primarily a business, and both landlord and tennant should benefit from that business. But it is also in many cases a community facility and part of the local infrastructure. Practices such as restrictive covenenting, iresponsible development and prescribing suppliers of food and drink (often at the exclusion of local breweries, butchers, farmers etc) have a direct effect on small communities, espcially rural ones, while the ripping off and consequent bankrupting/suicide/disappearance of the tenant has a more immediate effect; often it's the last straw for the pub itself which then either stands empty or is demolished/converted.
A recent example - by no means the worst or most high profile - is The White Horse ; the landlord refused to carry out essential repairs, the tenant simply couln't afford to do it so the pub closed, probably for good due to the costs involved. What made it so much worse was that the only other pub in the village had closed just a few weeks earlier, so they now have no community focus and will take their custom either to one of the nearby estates or into the city centre, a bit of a trek either way and with limited public transport availble.
Last edited by ETA; 09-01-2013 at 13:21.
FWIW, the Government is attempting to address the community aspects through the Localism Act 2011 and the National Planning Policy Framework, who knows how much success that will have? The object of what was discussed today is curbing the business model of certain PubCos: ie fleece some mug punter of their life savings/redundancy money then move on to the next mug.
I admit to being a bit ambivalent about that side of things, they should really read the small print or get advice about sinking a lot of money into some pub, it's not as if the PubCo's habits aren't well known, supping with the devil and long spoons and all that. I do have a lot of sympathy for people rooked in this way unlike our old contributor Ed Kilverts who threw his toys out the pram about it on the CAMRA forums.
Exodus
"We just get to put names to faces and they are off again"
http://metro.co.uk/2013/01/09/new-po...xodus-3344609/
"Do I know where hell is? hell is in hello"
"a belated birthday celebration"
http://www.thelocal.de/society/20130111-47265.html
Franciscan Well
"Molson Coors UK & Ireland has bought the Franciscan Well craft beer brand and micro-brewery in Cork City"
http://protzonbeer.co.uk/news/2013/0...-craft-brewery
http://www.eveningecho.ie/2013/01/15...after-buy-out/
Last edited by hondo; 15-01-2013 at 12:49.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
I'll be back in Cork at Easter. Don't ruin it you
A pub is for life not just for Christmas
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