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    Quote Originally Posted by Aqualung View Post
    I was chatting to the landlord of a pub in Walws at the beginning of the year and he was telling me that he had stopped subscribing to Cask Marque as it was costing nearly £300,.00 a year but he was getting nothing for it.
    Actual cost is £222 first off, then £162 annually, less if brewery-sponsored. A very well-run pub will not gain much apart from the advertising benefits, but the majority can get a significant boost by having their cellar management and practices checked. At the very least it makes them think more about basics like cellar temperature, line cleaning, glass management etc. Of course it can't legislate against change of manager and suchlike which can turn a good boozer into the opposite in a very short time, but at least you can register the fact which can lead to reinspection. Out of interest, they have now launched a similar Beer Marque covering non-cask pubs but I haven't come across one yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pangolin View Post
    Actual cost is £222 first off, then £162 annually, less if brewery-sponsored. A very well-run pub will not gain much apart from the advertising benefits, but the majority can get a significant boost by having their cellar management and practices checked. At the very least it makes them think more about basics like cellar temperature, line cleaning, glass management etc. Of course it can't legislate against change of manager and suchlike which can turn a good boozer into the opposite in a very short time, but at least you can register the fact which can lead to reinspection. Out of interest, they have now launched a similar Beer Marque covering non-cask pubs but I haven't come across one yet.

    Thanks for that qualification. It still seems a lot of money for very little in return. The non-cask option just shows that keg isn't a silver bullet for beer quality.
    A bad pub will have crap beer regardless of whether it's cask or keg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pangolin View Post
    Actual cost is £222 first off, then £162 annually, less if brewery-sponsored. A very well-run pub will not gain much apart from the advertising benefits, but the majority can get a significant boost by having their cellar management and practices checked. At the very least it makes them think more about basics like cellar temperature, line cleaning, glass management etc. Of course it can't legislate against change of manager and suchlike which can turn a good boozer into the opposite in a very short time, but at least you can register the fact which can lead to reinspection. Out of interest, they have now launched a similar Beer Marque covering non-cask pubs but I haven't come across one yet.
    Totally agree with your assessment .Cask Marque means they have been shown how to serve good beer whether they can be arsed to to implement it is a different story.I never assume a Camra guide pub will serve me good cask as ihave known so many duff beer pubs that get into the guide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tris39 View Post
    Pride is now dreadful. I can't tell the difference between it and Gloom.
    Don't tell Melissa Cole! From Ferment magazine (issue 37):

    "And just before I leave the subject of Fuller's, there is something I want to get absolutely straight because I saw it crop up on social media numerous times and it gives me absolute rage. Much as I love John Keeling, the former director of brewing, to say that the beers have 'gone downhill' since he left or that they 'somehow lack the passion any more', whatever the hell that means, is a disgraceful slur on the professional brewing team that has been running the day-to-day operations of the brewery for years, under the watchful eye of now head brewer Georgina Young. To misquote an old saying 'It's not them, it's you'."

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpadam View Post
    Don't tell Melissa Cole! From Ferment magazine (issue 37):

    "And just before I leave the subject of Fuller's, there is something I want to get absolutely straight because I saw it crop up on social media numerous times and it gives me absolute rage. Much as I love John Keeling, the former director of brewing, to say that the beers have 'gone downhill' since he left or that they 'somehow lack the passion any more', whatever the hell that means, is a disgraceful slur on the professional brewing team that has been running the day-to-day operations of the brewery for years, under the watchful eye of now head brewer Georgina Young. To misquote an old saying 'It's not them, it's you'."
    I suspect that she has written this from the feminist angle rather than from the ludicrous "beer sommelier" one. If she regularly drinks London Pride then she has absolutely no right to call herself a beer expert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aqualung View Post
    I suspect that she has written this from the feminist angle rather than from the ludicrous "beer sommelier" one. If she regularly drinks London Pride then she has absolutely no right to call herself a beer expert.
    I wouldn't tell her that either!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tris39 View Post
    Pride is now dreadful. I can't tell the difference between it and Gloom.
    As with all these nationally available brands (Doom Bar, St Austell Tribute, Fullers London Pride, Timothy Taylor Landlord, the list goes on - Dark Star Hophead, anyone?), it very much depends on which pub you are drinking it in. I've argued on this forum with fans of TTLL before now, who seem to find it brilliant while I tend to swerve it, and I've also argued (in pubs) with friends who still swear by FLP and the like, despite these beers' proven (sorry, I meant to say "to me, evident") mediocrity.

    My review here shows that even ShDB can be an acceptable drink, bordering on pleasant (my review says superb, but it was a while ago and memories fade), and when I was in London recently the highlight of the day was the pint of FLP that I had here (overshadowed somewhat by Luton Town's dreadful concession of three goals in 28 minutes at Loftus Road soon after).

    I would still prefer local beer for local people, because it makes beer tourism so much more fulfilling; and I tend to avoid nationally available brands if there's something else that I either know that I will like or that I am eager (or just prepared) to try. But when in Luton, for example, the StAT is always good here, and if the favoured real ale pub for Town fans is too crowded I am happy to go there instead.

    But surely the point is that a nationally available brand (ugh) ought at the very least to be kept in top condition wherever it is available. Instead, these beers are the apparent default option for places that don't "do" real ale. Why don't the lazy buggers who make these ubiquitous beers also follow up to make sure they are kept and served in a way that will enhance their brand's reputation? Have they no pride (sorry, pun arrived unexpectedly).

    Or better still, why not leave the TTLL in Yorkshire and the FLP in London, because either they don't travel well or they're being dispensed without care in pubs that don't know (or can't be bothered to find out) how to look after them properly. Or both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sheffield hatter View Post

    Or better still, why not leave the TTLL in Yorkshire and the FLP in London, because either they don't travel well or they're being dispensed without care in pubs that don't know (or can't be bothered to find out) how to look after them properly. Or both.
    I would say its more a case of the latter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sheffield hatter View Post
    My review here shows that even ShDB can be an acceptable drink, bordering on pleasant
    Steady on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aqualung View Post
    I suspect that she has written this from the feminist angle rather than from the ludicrous "beer sommelier" one. If she regularly drinks London Pride then she has absolutely no right to call herself a beer expert.
    I find her posts tedious and dull,with a major helping of doctrinaire feminism on the side.I find Rachel Smith at
    https://lookatbrew.com/ much more conducive. Beer should be a pleasure, not an opportunity for more millenial snowflake hectoring!
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