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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobyduck View Post
    The Pub Co's and Government taxes are the real villans .
    I think the pubco's markups are far more significant. Beer duty has remained largely unchanged in recent years. The ee-aww group has Craft Union pubs in the Midlands selling beers at prices little more than JDW. Do they do this in the South? No is the answer because they know that most people will cough up. They are not taxes by the pubcos, just rip-offs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bucking Fastard View Post
    I'm not sure that vouchers per se are the villains of the peace here,but maybe CAMRA needs to take a tougher line against Pubcos which only offer the poor quality real ale produced by several large brewers,and in turn CAMRA should admit that not all real ale is good .

    I am often disappointed by GBG entries that simply have ( IMHO ) a selection of nationally available dull real ales.

    CAMRA vouchers are insignificant in the grand scheme of things. There's a free house out in Epping Forest where the owner told me that he was stocking Abbot because the sales rep had offered him such a low price. He didn't need to explain why Doom Bore was on sale as I had spotted the branded garden umbrellas on the way in. The big brewers have always worked this way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aqualung View Post
    CAMRA vouchers are insignificant in the grand scheme of things.
    I wonder if there are stats on voucher usage. We have one JDW and a couple of Stonegates in town. I have still banned myself from JDWs thanks to its odoius leader, and the Stonegates are both rubbish. So my vouchers remain untouched. But that's just me, I'm sure I'm not in the majority.

    Maybe there should be a charitable scheme where those who don't use the vouchers can donate them to those who couldn't otherwise enjoy an occasional pint? Perhaps disability charities or care homes which organise occasional pub trips?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickDavies View Post
    I wonder if there are stats on voucher usage. We have one JDW and a couple of Stonegates in town. I have still banned myself from JDWs thanks to its odoius leader, and the Stonegates are both rubbish. So my vouchers remain untouched. But that's just me, I'm sure I'm not in the majority.

    Maybe there should be a charitable scheme where those who don't use the vouchers can donate them to those who couldn't otherwise enjoy an occasional pint? Perhaps disability charities or care homes which organise occasional pub trips?
    I've come across many people who only use some or none of the vouchers. I've also come across people who refuse to go in JDWs, partly foe your reason but is working in a Hungry Horse or whatever really any better? I suspect it depends a lot more on the management than anything else. It's certainly the most important factor for customer experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickDavies View Post
    I wonder if there are stats on voucher usage. We have one JDW and a couple of Stonegates in town. I have still banned myself from JDWs thanks to its odoius leader, and the Stonegates are both rubbish. So my vouchers remain untouched. But that's just me, I'm sure I'm not in the majority.

    Maybe there should be a charitable scheme where those who don't use the vouchers can donate them to those who couldn't otherwise enjoy an occasional pint? Perhaps disability charities or care homes which organise occasional pub trips?
    It is reckoned (on Camra Discourse) that about 25% of vouchers are used.


    The new version of the voucher is non-transferable and theoretically a valid membership card should be shown when presenting the voucher - I've never been asked to but a friend says he has once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aleandhearty View Post
    I met Mr Saltonstall once and found him a bit anti-Camra, like quite a few small brewery owners and their beer writer pals. For obvious reasons many small brewers are desperate to "premiumise" cask beer so they can charge the same prices as they currently do for craft keg. As Pub Curmudgeon and others have said, that is doomed to fail due to the quality lottery you take part in every time you order a cask beer. No-one is going to be keen to pay £5 or £6 pounds for a pint of 4% Sarsons and then face some schoolboy telling you "it's real ale it's meant to taste like that".

    I agree Camra vouchers have very little effect on the beer market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldboots View Post
    ...For obvious reasons many small brewers are desperate to "premiumise" cask beer so they can charge the same prices as they currently do for craft keg. As Pub Curmudgeon and others have said, that is doomed to fail due to the quality lottery you take part in every time you order a cask beer. No-one is going to be keen to pay £5 or £6 pounds for a pint of 4% Sarsons and then face some schoolboy telling you "it's real ale it's meant to taste like that".
    Pretty much my take on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldboots View Post
    For obvious reasons many small brewers are desperate to "premiumise" cask beer so they can charge the same prices as they currently do for craft keg. As Pub Curmudgeon and others have said, that is doomed to fail due to the quality lottery you take part in every time you order a cask beer. No-one is going to be keen to pay £5 or £6 pounds for a pint of 4% Sarsons and then face some schoolboy telling you "it's real ale it's meant to taste like that".
    My take too. Although sadly in an increasing number of cases the price charged for a random ale is as much a lottery as the taste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aqualung View Post
    I've come across many people who only use some or none of the vouchers.
    Can't remember ever using one, the applicable venues are not my normal choice of pub, but when I do find myself in a Spoons, the beer is so relatively cheap anyway I don't think of vouchers, have given some away in the past to a worthy cause (Brian down the pub) but most end up in the bin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobyduck View Post
    Can't remember ever using one, the applicable venues are not my normal choice of pub, but when I do find myself in a Spoons, the beer is so relatively cheap anyway I don't think of vouchers, have given some away in the past to a worthy cause (Brian down the pub) but most end up in the bin.
    I usually use mine down the Wanstead George in the first few weeks of the period. My next batch will be the new ones but I can't see me going to any Stonegate pubs. Castle Rock maybe but they are not valid in tenanted houses like the Derby Alex.

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