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    Not the most pressing topic at the moment, but the mind tends to wander in the current tedium.
    when reviewing pubs we have the option of rating the pub between 0 and 10, I know not everyone likes to do so and individually different people have different ideas of the meaning of the scale.
    Personally I find the ratings very useful when researching a crawl, also seeing who rates a pub a certain score you can get an idea of the validity of the score. The main point I want to make is, would it not make sense to enable half point scores, there are some pubs for example I think sometimes a pub is worth a 7.5 rating , better than a 7 but not quite an 8. To me a 7 rated pub is a good pub worth a revisit, whereas once we get into 8,9and 10 territory I consider them elite, destination pubs. Maybe I'm just being to picky, any thoughts.
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    I'm not sure how feasible it would be, and i know we've talked around it before, but maybe there's a way we can show the statistics around this. We already see a pub's mean score, but what about individual reviewers' score - mean and (for those with over, say, 100 reviews) standard deviation. I keep them for myself, and I've got more or less a normal distribution of scores with a mean score of 5.78 and a SD of 1.68. It would be interesting to know how others compare - are they more or less generous/tolerant, more or less optimistic etc.
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    Try this.

    https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/userinfo/ratings/

    Dave supplied this some time ago (2017) for your own ratings.

    You could choose to publish your own averages on here.

    See this thread for caveats on how the numbers are arrived at.

    http://forums.pubsgalore.co.uk/showt...average+scores
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    For what it's worth here's mine :


    Unrated 89
    1 11
    2 30
    3 90
    4 147
    5 206
    6 389
    7 575
    8 386
    9 196
    10 29

    As ETA says this is probably a major change to the site with all the grief and risk that entails.
    While I do take notice of the scores the trouble is that pubs are different depending on when you visit. This may be due to various things, timing, live Sport, live music, darts or pool matches or even once for me a Union meeting taking place. Timing also includes the weather as in a heatwave the beer becomes dodgy in lots of pubs.

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    Interesting! I didn't know this facility existed.

    I always thought I erred on the side of generosity compared to many, and my ratings table would confirm that:

    Rating ...... No. of times
    Unrated .... 85
    4 .............. 1
    5 .............. 19
    6 .............. 66
    7 .............. 163
    8 .............. 140
    9 .............. 37
    10 ............ 3

    For me a 10 is rare, but sometimes you just really enjoy the experience on the day, even if you can't explain why, and can't pick fault with the place. Those places get a 10 from me.

    A 9 for me is somewhere that is really decent, consistent beer quality and a decent selection, somewhere I would want to visit time and time again.

    An 8 for me is somewhere that is perfectly fine and has a decent real ale selection or some other redeeming feature.

    A 7 tends to be somewhere that may be a bit limited in terms of beer selection but may have another redeeming feature, for example I've eaten there and the food was good even if the beer choice was uninspiring. Sometimes a 7 can have a good beer selection but something else lets it down.

    A 6 is somewhere that I found OK, but wouldn't rush back to. Somewhere that is OK to try once but nothing to lure me into repeating the experience.

    A 5 is somewhere I wasn't keen on for whatever reason.

    I have only given one 4 and that for me is somewhere I found unpleasant, the beer was crap, and there was a strange smell to the place and I couldn't wait to drink up and get out.

    Sometimes I'll slide up or down one, sometimes I think "this would be a 9/10 if it wasn't so expensive so I'm giving it an 8/10" - you get the idea.

    And of course I am only human, so I'm not always perfectly consistent in my approach. But you can't take these things too seriously, as has been pointed out, a lot can depend on the time of day, the day of the week, or external events (eg sports events or St Patrick's Day) that can change the dynamic of a pub experience.
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    The average rating I've given to pubs is: 6.73
    Rating No. of times
    Unrated 94
    2 -10
    3 -29
    4 -102
    5 -188
    6 -434
    7 -647
    8 -390
    9 -116
    10 -44

    This is my score history,reasonable bell curve.
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    As a comparison, there was a similar thread five years ago here: Average pub ratings.

    Now being stuck on exactly 6000 for the time being, my ratings graph (with an average score of 6.40) looks like this:
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    Looking back at the previous thread, I created this similar graph at the 3000 mark (with a remarkably similar average of 6.38):
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    Not sure what this proves, though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpadam View Post
    As a comparison, there was a similar thread five years ago here: Average pub ratings.
    Thanks for digging that one out. ROBCamra also provided a link, but the original thread got split up, I think.

    One point that hadn't occured to me before is that some people revise their reviews for revisits, instead of doing a new review, so that a pub may change from, say, a 5 to an 8. In effect, the original 5 score no longer exists. (If this reviewer is the only one who's done a review, the pub's "average" score shifts from 5 to 8.) This affects both the pub's score, and the individual reviewer's average score too. (Compare someone doing two different reviews, one with 5, one with 8 - both scores still exist, and the pub's average is 6.5.)

    Going back to Mobyduck's original post, I'm not sure we should be paying this much attention to scores. As Dave points out in #6 on the other thread, rating systems using a scale of 1 to 10 like this aren't much use. (Especially because quite a few prolific reviewers never give a rating, and at least one does the opposite and always scores a 10.) Introducing half points is just the same as awarding marks out of 20 instead of 10. When the system is not that accurate (overall and on average) is there any point in aiming for an accuracy which is unattainable?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sheffield hatter View Post
    Going back to Mobyduck's original post, I'm not sure we should be paying this much attention to scores. As Dave points out in #6 on the other thread, rating systems using a scale of 1 to 10 like this aren't much use. (Especially because quite a few prolific reviewers never give a rating, and at least one does the opposite and always scores a 10.) Introducing half points is just the same as awarding marks out of 20 instead of 10. When the system is not that accurate (overall and on average) is there any point in aiming for an accuracy which is unattainable?
    I thought as much. Smart Arse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sheffield hatter View Post
    Going back to Mobyduck's original post, I'm not sure we should be paying this much attention to scores. As Dave points out in #6 on the other thread, rating systems using a scale of 1 to 10 like this aren't much use. (Especially because quite a few prolific reviewers never give a rating, and at least one does the opposite and always scores a 10.) Introducing half points is just the same as awarding marks out of 20 instead of 10. When the system is not that accurate (overall and on average) is there any point in aiming for an accuracy which is unattainable?
    I think you've hit the nail on the head there. I seem to recall it being said that when the site was set up consideration was given to not having ratings at all. I'm glad that didn't happen as despite any shortcomings I do like them. There are a few places where I really ought to update the review.

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