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    Having a trawl (dredge) through CAMRA's Discourse forum earlier I spotted a link to the Pubs Galore Micropubs in the UK, with the comment "this is the most reliable and easily accessible resource", which is a good thumbs up for PuG. It got me thinking as to how definitive is it as a list that is in some quarters as being the best out there. Our list is defined (as far as I understand it} on a single persons definition of what is or isn't a micropub, i.e the person that marks it thus on the main site pub page.
    The example I have , and I'm sure there are others, is Overdraft in Southampton and Overdraft In Winchester, being sister pubs they are pretty much identical in what they look like and do. Neither are on our Micropub list, the Southampton one has been marked as no by Aqualung, presumably based on my comments that there are a couple of turntables, used at certain times of the week for music/DJ nights, I have marked the Winchester one as not a micropub for the same reasons, and Quinnos review hints of not being a true Micropub. However CAMRA's WhatPub Describe them as Micropubs and the Southampton venue is included on the Micropub and Microbrewery Association list of pubs,but strangely not its sister . So to cut a long story short ,a bit late now I know, If we have the definitive list on Micropubs are we doing it down with certain omitions based on slight technicality's, based on a particular members personal views or is it good that we are running a tight ship?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobyduck View Post
    If we have the definitive list on Micropubs are we doing it down with certain omitions based on slight technicality's, based on a particular members personal views or is it good that we are running a tight ship?
    Well like all other things with a name, what is a micropub? Hillier's club is a very narrow worldview which would never last as other operators looked at the 'rent an empty shop space' and just run a place in whichever way they see fit (music, lager etc etc). If micro means small, well what abut places like the Nutshell in BSE?

    Much like Turtle Bay / what is a pub, it's down to the individual...was it Mary Whitehouse who said she couldn't define filth but knew it when she saw it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quinno View Post
    Well like all other things with a name, what is a micropub? Hillier's club is a very narrow worldview which would never last as other operators looked at the 'rent an empty shop space' and just run a place in whichever way they see fit (music, lager etc etc). If micro means small, well what abut places like the Nutshell in BSE?

    Much like Turtle Bay / what is a pub, it's down to the individual...was it Mary Whitehouse who said she couldn't define filth but knew it when she saw it?
    Real Ale : despite the misleading name - it seems to sell keg only - I don't know if this should be listed as a Micro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tris39 View Post
    Real Ale : despite the misleading name - it seems to sell keg only - I don't know if this should be listed as a Micro.
    The way I see it is that no cask means it's not a micropub. That doesn't mean I wouldn't visit if it was outside the South.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tris39 View Post
    Real Ale : despite the misleading name - it seems to sell keg only - I don't know if this should be listed as a Micro.


    I visited this place recently and didn't activate the Micropub tab but left it listed as "Unknown ".Essentially it's a bottle shop but also serves beer on the premises.Although it appears all keg,I didn't ask whether some of the beers came from key kegs,which I believe is now OK from a CAMRA point of view viz real ale.I have been to micro's that do offer key keg along with cask.

    All I know is that IMHO the beer selection in Real Ale on my trip was excellent and I spent a while in there drinking.It was too close a call for me to hit the Micropub tab.

    I noticed that the WhatPub entry is completely wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bucking Fastard View Post
    a CAMRA point of view viz real ale.
    Are CAMRA now embracing the VIZ heroes?

    First one I found...
    RATs march onward..!!!RATs.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aqualung View Post
    I suspect it was and at least this gave me a good laugh over this thorny subject.

    I know what a "proper" micropub is and here are my guidelines :-

    It should just sell real ale, optionally real cider and wines, soft drinks including tea and coffee, no keg and no spirits. The size of the place is completely irrelevant. There should be no music other than live acoustic, no TV, and no jukeboxes or other electronic machines.
    Sounds like all typical pubs pre-1900, though I've seen some period pub photos from around this time which show Tennent's lager advertised, and one from 1890 advertising Löwenbräu!

    Quote Originally Posted by trainman View Post
    Are CAMRA now embracing the VIZ heroes?

    First one I found...
    RATs march onward..!!!RATs.jpg
    LOL! 'Casketeers'... 'Cascophiles'... 'Owld Scoutmaster's Downright Peculiar'. I haven't seen a copy of Viz for over 25 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tris39 View Post
    Real Ale : despite the misleading name - it seems to sell keg only - I don't know if this should be listed as a Micro.
    They are opening another Real Ale in the Golborne rd.Larger premises so micropub extra? Or plus size micropub?

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    Quote Originally Posted by london calling View Post
    They are opening another Real Ale in the Golborne rd.Larger premises so micropub extra? Or plus size micropub?
    The original Real Ale is an off licence in Richmond.They only sold bottle conditioned real ales although I did point out to them the FOREIGN MUCK wasn't bottle conditioned .They made allowances for them apparently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by london calling View Post
    They are opening another Real Ale in the Golborne rd.Larger premises so micropub extra? Or plus size micropub?
    Mini-Pub would be the next logical size up and of course nano-Pub the next size down, possibly this one would qualify as a nano-Pub Boatmans Tavern

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