boring brown bitter

[london calling]

Thanks for the explanation which now makes perfect sense.

Perhaps CAMRA should stop classifying it as real ale - maybe we should list a pub as having no real ale if Doom Bar is the only option but only if there are no other pumps, rather than pumps with recently reversed clips?

To be honest most of the big brewers are doing this now.I get bottled Fullers beers and they are clear as a bell.No sediment but meant to be bottle conditioned

[Pangolin]

As far as I am aware Sharps with Doombar were the first cask brewer to start filtering their beer although Camra still calls it real ale.One of the reasons it has dominated the cask trade was that it was bright beer and you could put a keg on straight away rather than let it settle.Sharps were the first brewery to realise that if the beer was not ready the pub would put something else on and Doombar would not be sold from that pump for 3 days or how long it would take for a pump to be free.By selling bright beer any pub now changes Doombar for another Doombar.Great marketing makes brands leaders .

Nearly but not absolutely correct. While there is brewery conditioning, it is not absolute and a small amount of live yeast remains, so it is not totally 'bright'. (If there was a bright beer campaign, they would probably reject it!). Presumably this is enough to continue some secondary fermentation and prolong the life of the cask beyond that you would expect from a totally bright beer. CAMRA accepts that some filtering is acceptable - whether DB takes this too far is a whole other can of worms.

[Tris39]

Nearly but not absolutely correct. While there is brewery conditioning, it is not absolute and a small amount of live yeast remains, so it is not totally 'bright'. (If there was a bright beer campaign, they would probably reject it!). Presumably this is enough to continue some secondary fermentation and prolong the life of the cask beyond that you would expect from a totally bright beer. CAMRA accepts that some filtering is acceptable - whether DB takes this too far is a whole other can of worms.

I think I'd prefer to drink the can of worms...

[Mobyduck]

I think I'd prefer to drink the can of worms...

Can't disagree.