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    Maybe it's just me, but.....

    On PuG we seem to have a number of people who constantly take photo's of places that aren't pubs and then request that the place be added to PuG.

    I know we've been here before but why would you want places like the Castleton Hotel or Norton Grange in Castleton on here?

    They're not pubs, they're residential hotels where you can only get a drink if you stay there. Even if you go for a meal you can only use the restaurant bar part not the whole bar.

    Personally I don't think it's good for a site called Pubs Galore to give you a list that is mainly hotels when you search for pubs in an area.

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    I would say that anywhere you can walk in off the street and buy a drink without having to do anything else, like eat a meal, stay there, be a member or pay an admission fee is fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickDavies View Post
    I would say that anywhere you can walk in off the street and buy a drink without having to do anything else, like eat a meal, stay there, be a member or pay an admission fee is fine.
    Agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickDavies View Post
    I would say that anywhere you can walk in off the street and buy a drink without having to do anything else, like eat a meal, stay there, be a member or pay an admission fee is fine.
    But that's my exact point, you can't in quite a lot of hotels and there are loads on here like that.

    Should every Novotel for example be on PuG as they have a bar. Personally I don't think so, but maybe I'm just a bit grumpy this morning.
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    Ok we have been through this a lot of times, and it just gets mired. The 2 Hotels you just flagged to me I have deleted.

    The lie is in your question however:
    Quote Originally Posted by ROBCamra View Post
    Maybe it's just me, but.....

    On PuG we seem to have a number of people who constantly take photo's of places that aren't pubs and then request that the place be added to PuG.

    ...

    Personally I don't think it's good for a site called Pubs Galore to give you a list that is mainly hotels when you search for pubs in an area.

    Opinions anyone?
    If there are a number of people then clearly it is useful to a number of people. We have also long established that the word pub doesn't work, we are not going to rename the site.

    As to the members club argument, I keep on returning to the Royal Legion as an example of where that won't work for me. Unless someone has a directory of pubs this will continue having to be handled on a case by case basis, with a long term ambition of trying to make it clearer what sort of pub a place is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conrad View Post
    it is useful to a number of people.
    Ok no problem I'll pipe down and not flag any more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ROBCamra View Post
    But that's my exact point, you can't in quite a lot of hotels and there are loads on here like that.

    Should every Novotel for example be on PuG as they have a bar...
    The troubel is (and I know we've explored this issue before) everyone expects something different from their "pub". Personally, I don't count places Apres, Casa, BarNone, VodkaBar etc etc as pubs, but on the rare occasions I am dragged into them I will post a review if they are on the site - I wouldn't suggest them though.

    I admit I'm responsible for at least one of the hotels you don't think should be on here, Rob, (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/69688/) but it does conform to the criteria of open access, serving drinks and providing a venue for convivial imbibation.

    And ultimately, the choice is the user's - just because a venue is listed here doesn't mean you have to visit it. I do however support your idea that establishments without that open access should either be exlcuded or provide a warning of their status to stop people going there on a fool's errand, expecting to get a drink and not being able to.

    I suspect that, like me, grumpiness will recede once that first pint is down the hatch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ROBCamra View Post
    Ok no problem I'll pipe down and not flag any more.
    Reply in haste, repent at leisure. (a comment for me, not you).

    I did delete the 2 hotels you mentioned, I agree, neither looked like something that is useful for anything other than a hotels site.

    The problem we have is we want to please as many people as we reasonably can with this site, so contributors of any form should be appreciated. Whilst some of these contributors produce noise in amongst their good contributions; unless we have a firm guideline it is hard to know what to eliminate. It is even harder when there is no way of telling from a name.

    The 2 that were deleted were from Wynne Route who I haven't really interacted with apart from doing corrections they submit, but what makes you more trustworthy than them? In the case of the 2 you mentioned I was able to find their web sites and confirm that it was unlikely they had open bars (although not certain). And the pictures were boring unlike the bowling club issue in another thread.

    It is a hard call, and I have no problem with it being debated on the issues, I just fear it becoming personal (as I did in the last paragraph ). Particularly as we have a lot of users who don't use the forum (fools).

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    As it has been decide before a bar must be open to all. A review of a chain hotel bar has in the past been useful to me. It has meant at the end of a long drive there was somewhere I could chill out without sitting alone in a room. OK the chances a of real ale were slim but you did not feel like a battery hen for the night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conrad View Post
    but what makes you more trustworthy than them?
    Well in these two cases because I've actually visited the places in question.

    Some people seem to specialise in "drive by shootings" and "reviews" that say things like "J. W. Lees" which is obvious from the photo anyway.

    This makes me suspect that they haven't been in most of the places they suggest.

    A good example is Serajo's in Bury. This is/was an Italian Restaurant not a pub/bar. I haven't asked for it to be removed because I haven't been for a while and things may have changed.

    I think of it as my personal Quality Control. If I'm not sure I don't add, remove or change.
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