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    Default Let's give CAMRA a kicking (again).

    The current CAMRA backlash shows no sign of abating. Here's a piece from Leeds blogger 'Beer & Whine' which ostensibly attacks the more vociferous elements within the membership, but really attacks the whole movement. There's certainly some forthright opinions and 'interesting' logic: Did you know CAMRA are contributing to the death of cask beer? No? Neither did I. Have to love the statement, from an obvious fan of the craft beer movement, complaining about the 'feeling of arrogance and entitlement', in CAMRA. Oh, the irony.

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    I read this the other day and thought this has to be at least partly made up carp, when did you last hear of anyone asking for "fined beer", if ever? Not even Dickie English would come out with that kind of phrase.

    Sadly he mistakes fashion for a sea change, basically he appears to suffers from what we have all suffered from in our youth; namely being young enough to know everything and thinking how it is now will last forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aleandhearty View Post
    The current CAMRA backlash shows no sign of abating. Here's a piece from Leeds blogger 'Beer & Whine' which ostensibly attacks the more vociferous elements within the membership, but really attacks the whole movement. There's certainly some forthright opinions and 'interesting' logic: Did you know CAMRA are contributing to the death of cask beer? No? Neither did I. Have to love the statement, from an obvious fan of the craft beer movement, complaining about the 'feeling of arrogance and entitlement', in CAMRA. Oh, the irony.

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    What a complete pratt. Funnily enough,I rejoined CAMRA yesterday,mainly because I wanted to buy the GBG without enriching Amazon, which had incidentally sold out. 'spoons vouchers, anyone?
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    He's also "Never heard of a pub the isn't a JDW doing discounts for CAMRA members"

    Maybe we could post a link to the 2049 pubs that do CAMRA discount that we currently have listed!

    What an arrogant twonk!

    Do we know which pub he runs?
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    There are a few unpleasant CAMRA members ,and equally there are a few unpleasant craft keg afficianados,of which the blogger is a fine example.

    Beating CAMRA over the head with the Cloudwater example is nothing new,but he fails to mention the £13.40 pint of Cloudwater DIPA which got some airing recently.

    There maybe some poor real ale being produced for national distribution ,but whenever I have had the chance to do a drink off between the cask and keg variety of the same beer (Magic Rock Hire Wire and Oakham Green Devil IPA ) as far as I was concerned the cask version won hands down.

    He has every right to refuse to serve customers who upset his staff,but he appears to have taken their coin to fill his coffers.I occasionally visit Leeds and I too would also like to know in which pub/bar my very presence is going to cause offence .
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    Obviously the fact he owns a specialist beer bar has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on his loathing of both CAMRA and Wetherspoons.
    From the earliest days of CAMRA I thought some of the members were a bit "weird" but it was probably reciprocal and I don't recall ever finding them rude or unpleasant.
    It certainly would help if he disclosed the name of his bar so CAMRA members could boycott it. I bet the twenty quid he talks about at the end of his diatribe wouldn't go very far in there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldboots View Post
    When did you last hear of anyone asking for "fined beer", if ever?
    Back in the 1970s when Watney's introduced their "Fined Bitter". Later, after Ind Coope Burton Ale appeared it disappeared and they produced a much less malty Stag Bitter.
    I've spoken to micropub owners who claim that unfined beers will settle in time but why bother with it unless it's aimed at the Vegan market?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aqualung View Post
    Back in the 1970s when Watney's introduced their "Fined Bitter". Later, after Ind Coope Burton Ale appeared it disappeared and they produced a much less malty Stag Bitter.

    I remember Watney's jumping on the real ale bandwagon, they also did one called Tamplins, guess what that was nicknamed That is the only time I've ever heard the term being used in that context and I've never heard anyone order a beer using any such balls. I know there are a few numpteys in Leeds branch of Camra but this stuff doesn't ring true.


    Quote Originally Posted by Aqualung View Post
    I've spoken to micropub owners who claim that unfined beers will settle in time but why bother with it unless it's aimed at the Vegan market?
    They will in time but for example Bad Seed beers are all unfined and clear because they brew properly and settle the beer in the brewery, likewise Brass Castle are unfined and usually clear probably because they know about such things as hot breaks. Both breweries are vegan friendly but don't make a fuss about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bucking Fastard View Post

    He has every right to refuse to serve customers who upset his staff,but he appears to have taken their coin to fill his coffers.I occasionally visit Leeds and I too would also like to know in which pub/bar my very presence is going to cause offence .
    Quote Originally Posted by Aqualung View Post
    It certainly would help if he disclosed the name of his bar so CAMRA members could boycott it.
    Being elderly I would almost certainly upset him just for being old and not being put off by exposed brick.

    He has only just started blogging, with three posts to date, the Camra diatribe was his opening shot, so it could be an attempt to raise the profile or he's just another crafty who loathes Camra. His Twitter page gives south east England as a location and he only mentions Leeds in the second paragraph as he was living there 10 years ago, so it may not be Leeds Camra that has brassed him off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldboots View Post
    They will in time but for example Bad Seed beers are all unfined and clear because they brew properly and settle the beer in the brewery, likewise Brass Castle are unfined and usually clear probably because they know about such things as hot breaks. Both breweries are vegan friendly but don't make a fuss about it.
    I've had beers from both of them and didn't know that. Most recently Wooha IPA in an Aberdeen JDW had it on the clip and was hazy but tasted fine. Wishbone Pastiche in the crafty one of the three Colne micropubs was where the owner told me it was unfined but really only had a slight haze.

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