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Just a twat and move every area?
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Last edited by bcfczuluarmy; 20-12-2015 at 22:35. Reason: b
Que??Originally Posted by bcfczuluarmy
Most of them were me, having been prompted by seeing a few over recent weeks that were way out, and if there any stupid ones I'll happily change them back.
However, I didn't change anything without checking a variety of sources such as individual pub websites, many of which were added or updated in the process, and a range of map sources.
Please PM with anything that needs fixing.
Apologies tbh on the whole just me having a hissy fit.... East, West, North had pissed off so deletion of these areas has come as a pleasant surprise as I thought I'll leave it as is was as it had a sub area associated with it. It annoyed me as I was in East Swindon this afternoon having a pint and spotted the changes going on. Some of the other changes have just messed with my spreadsheet more than the end of the world.
Thanks for the update, and sorry for any annoyance caused, but still very happy to correct any mistakes or improve any area allocations for accuracy.
It was me who added the Swindon pubs to North,South East and West.
If i am doing a pub crawl in a large town or city where i dont know the areas that well,i think compass points work well,i never delete the actual area the pub is in,so what arm is it to have North,South, East or West alongside the area the pub is in.
I know this has caused problems in the past,but i really dont see any problem in doing this.
I hope to visit Bristol for the second time in the next few months,i have only drunk in Clifton,Hotwells and Cottham,i have no clue where St Pauls is in relation to the City centre,if the pubs in that area said North or East for example,i would no which way to walk.
On another note,while i was watching all of the pubs in Swindon that i had added to compass points being deleted,in a rage i deleted lots of my photos of pubs in said areas.
We are all equal,but some are more equal than others
I just print a map and go by that.
"Everybody's got to believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer."
-W.C.Fields
I really wouldn't want to see all the Bristol pubs divided in to four compass points. Bristol East could include St Philips and Lawrence Hill or Oldland Common and Warmley - several miles apart and not at all the same area.
FYI, St Pauls is NE of, and fairly close to, the city centre.
Did you also delete in a rage my addition for the second time of the King William IV in Nottingham as being included in Nottingham Central?
These areas are not permanently set in stone and can be about perception more than anything. I walked to this pub from Nottingham Station and also noted that it was just around the corner from the Capital FM Arena which seemed a fairly central sort of place to me. The main point about adding it to Nottingham Central is it means that people visiting Nottingham new to the City can see it as a great pub well worth visiting close to or in my opinion in the City Centre. I'm going to add it back to Nottingham Central and hope you won't delete it again. I don't often mess around with areas but thought that this one was completely valid.
This is a subject that has raised hackles in the past so maybe we should try to come to a consensus on what we want to see .
Once upon a time there were very few pubs assigned to areas and in fact very few area labels in the system, so for example every pub in the Liverpool post code area (L) was in one big list as was every pub in Manchester (M), Leeds (LS), Newcastle (NE) and Birmingham (B). This made finding pubs close enough for a pub crawl very difficult, I'm guessing that is the main use people put areas to. So some of us spent a great deal of time putting pubs into usable areas. Two things come from that, those people who did the original work are possessive of their baby, secondly the areas are there to make life easier when searching, Pubs Galore is not some Gazetteer.
So how do we decide on an area name and which area the pub is in? Personally I look at a map or two and the Royal Mail and see what the area is generally called, if it could be in two areas then show both (or more) areas - the label says "served areas". I have always taken that to mean "it is close enough to those areas to be part of the same crawl". When assigning the central area I usually take walking distance of the alleged centre of a town, within a ring road is usually a good indicator of a central area. In York you could use "within the walls" but that's a bit of a small area. Whatever it's called the local name ought to be used if possible, back in York an odd gentleman got very upset about the use of "Holgate" as Holgate is split by the railway and one side should in his opinion be called Leeman Road. These days, due to infill building it isn't easy to say exactly where one area ends and another starts, I've often heard locals arguing whither somewhere is in one place or another.
On the tricky subject of compass points, I have no strong feelings against if it makes finding nearby pubs easier but how far out do you go with a compass point before it loses meaning? Where does East London end and Stepney, Poplar or Dagenham become more useful? I wouldn't want to get silly with compass points and go for the full 32 or even 128 points, "North by a half East Nottingham" doesn't really work. Even just the four main points is a bit nebulus for me, I prefer a map in conjunction with a list from a given area but if others find the compass points easier then fair enough, they're not doing any harm.
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