IPA's - The Good, The Bad and The Ugly.

[Thuck Phat]

Having tried 3 new (to me) IPA's this week it's great news to see the continuing rise in popularity of this style amongst both brewers and consumers. There are clearly some great IPA's out there - the good, some which really shouldn't be called IPA's at all - the bad, and some dodgy drinkers such as myself trying to find the good and avoid the bad - the ugly. I've listed some favourites and recent finds below as well as some obvious offenders:

The Good

Marble - Lagonda IPA 5% (beer of the century for me)
Blue Monkey - Ape Ale 5.4%
Brew Dog - Punk IPA 5.6%
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA 5.9%
Art Brew - Monkey 6.4% and Spanked Monkey 6.4% (interesting to ask attractive barmaids for the latter)
Acorn - Scorachi IPA 5.5%
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA 5%
Tryst - Raj IPA 5.5%

The last 3 I've had this week and all were very good.

The Bad

Greene King - IPA 3.6%
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA 3.8%
Marlow - Rebellion IPA 3.7%
Brains - IPA 3.4%
Wells - Eagle IPA 3.6%

Anyone have any others which really should be tried if found or studiously avoided?

[rpadam]

Having tried 3 new (to me) IPA's this week it's great news to see the continuing rise in popularity of this style amongst both brewers and consumers. There are clearly some great IPA's out there - the good, some which really shouldn't be called IPA's at all - the bad, and some dodgy drinkers such as myself trying to find the good and avoid the bad - the ugly. I've listed some favourites and recent finds below as well as some obvious offenders:

The Good

Marble - Lagonda IPA 5% (beer of the century for me)
Blue Monkey - Ape Ale 5.4%
Brew Dog - Punk IPA 5.6%
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA 5.9%
Art Brew - Monkey 6.4% and Spanked Monkey 6.4% (interesting to ask attractive barmaids for the latter)
Acorn - Scorachi IPA 5.5%
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA 5%
Tryst - Raj IPA 5.5%

The last 3 I've had this week and all were very good.

The Bad

Greene King - IPA 3.6%
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA 3.8%
Marlow - Rebellion IPA 3.7%
Brains - IPA 3.4%
Wells - Eagle IPA 3.6%

Anyone have any others which really should be tried if found or studiously avoided?
My head has been resting behind the parapet for a little while, so I'll risk asking whether the "good" IPAs are really 'good' or (based on the quoted percentages) just the strong ones?

PS - Whilst the firing squad is loading its ammunition, is Greene King IPA really a bad beer? Yes, it is sold (out of condition) by many pubs with only a token or passing interest in real ale, but if you find somewhere decent that looks after its beer then it can be a fine light pint...

[Thuck Phat]

All those I've listed under Good, I've thoroughly enjoyed so from that point of view the list is subjective. But they are also all in the traditional IPA style, pale ales with sufficient alcohol content to last a trip to India by boat. The list is obviously not exhaustive as part of the reason for raising the issue was to put together a list of IPA's which people were enjoying.

The Bad, as you say RP, aren't necessarily bad as a drink, although I'm not keen on any of them, but they're not true IPA's as with that low an alcohol content they're unlikely to last the trip.

[PaulOfHorsham]

But they are also all in the traditional IPA style, pale ales with sufficient alcohol content to last a trip to India by boat. The list is obviously not exhaustive as part of the reason for raising the issue was to put together a list of IPA's which people were enjoying. The Bad, as you say RP, aren't necessarily bad as a drink, although I'm not keen on any of them, but they're not true IPA's as with that low an alcohol content they're unlikely to last the trip.

Sorry, Thuck, but the history of IPA is somewhat more complex, not too say controversial! The beers shipped to India in the 19th century were not strong by the standard of the time. ABVs of 5% or more were pretty common, but it does seem that export beers were more heavily hopped than normal. The style has, however, changed over time, and the likes of Greene King IPA would have been regarded as standard IPAs in the mid 20th century. Pete Brown explains it (http://petebrown.blogspot.com/2010/10/beer-styles-first-of-only-two-posts-i.html) (I've also read much the same in 'Hops & Glory' but there's no index and I'm not going to search for page references).

Ron Pattinson, meanwhile, has uncovered a reference which suggests that taxation was a factor (http://barclayperkins.blogspot.com/2009/02/another-nail-in-that-ipa-myth.html) in the alcohol content. Further, beer with less alcohol might have been more suitable for the Indian climate. The comments on both posts make interesting reading.

Many of these modern IPAs are influenced by the American interpretation of the style and generally use large amounts of American hops. While there was some use of these in the past, they wouldn't have been used in the same quantities, nor would they have been the same varieties. One can argue that Punk is no more a traditional IPA than Deuchars.

It's probably best not too get too hung up on 'style' and just divide beer into two easily definable camps: (1) beer I like; (2) beer I don't like.
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[oldboots]

the history of IPA is somewhat more complex, not too say controversial!

Clearly the situation is worse than I thought!I'm afraid there's not much I can do about that last mess. Hopefully, some of you can pick through what I've written and, hopefully, will be able to read the 2 articles I linked to.I'd better tell Conrad what's happened!

I think you've got it about right in terms of modern research by Ron Pattinson (http://barclayperkins.blogspot.com/2009/02/another-nail-in-that-ipa-myth.html) and Martyn Cornell (http://zythophile.wordpress.com/false-ale-quotes/myth-4-george-hodgson-invented-ipa-to-survive-the-long-trip-to-india/). The Pete Brown link isn't working, there could be a bit missing. (Looks like my embedding is working though :p)

I also think that there is a problem with some brewers using the label "IPA" in an 18th/19th Century sense (but with US hops) while others use it in the late 20th C sense for beers that I would call ordinary bitters - all too ordinary in a lot of cases. I usually know which version I'm going to get but stilll get caught out sometimes.

My preference is for the recreated/updated style and I'll add Moor Pacific IPA (6%) and Kirkstall Dissolution (5%) to TP's yes list. What about the US versions particularly Sierra Nevada and Snake Dog?

[Bucking Fastard]

An IPA that I didn't enjoy was Mc Mullens IPA which is a recent addition to their portfolio and if I am being uncharitable I would suggest is their attempt to jump on the IPA bandwagon.Although a 4.8% beer,there is an indistinct taste and very little hop character.One for the "bad" list.

Penzance Brewing IPA on the other hand at 6% was a very fine drink and one for the "good " list.

Thanks to Paul for some interesting links on the subject.I still struggle to feel that Greene King IPA is anything more than a low strength ,indifferent session bitter but maybe I need to reconsider :confused:

[Thuck Phat]

Thank you Paul and OB, you've bought light into my darkness. I'll go with Paul's excellent suggestion of not getting hung up on style and to that end I've left out the strengths. On that basis the Good list is for those IPA's which people like and the Bad for those they wouldn't seek out again. Here's the update:

The Good

Marble - Lagonda IPA
Blue Monkey - Ape Ale
Brew Dog - Punk IPA
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey
Acorn - Scorachi IPA
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA
Tryst - Raj IPA
Moor Pacific IPA (OB)
Kirkstall Dissolution (OB)
Penzance Brewing IPA (BF)

The Bad

Greene King - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
Brains - IPA
Wells - Eagle IPA
McMullen's IPA (BF)

[PaulOfHorsham]

You're welcome TP. Now that my powers have been restored, I may even go back and re-edit my post from earlier.

One IPA I can add to the 'good' list is Dark Star 'Green Hopped IPA': November's beer of the month. I popped down to the brewery earlier and now I have 4 pints in the fridge (well, 3 1/2 - there's some in front of me here). I see from the 'Beerfinder (http://darkstarbrewing.co.uk/beerfinder/)' page on their website that 6 casks have been dispatched to Cask in Pimlico - I may well track some down later in the week.

I also enjoyed Kernel's Simcoe IPA a few weeks back - keg, mind; I know that offends some, but I nominated it as a beer of the week for me.

[Al 10000]

I am no expert on real ales but i do like to drink them.

I have tried a few of the beers on the good list and agree that these are nice beers.

On the bad list i have never liked Deuchars IPA but some of the others have been decent drinks for me, regarding Greene King IPA i went to Bury St Edmunds and drank it all day and enjoyed most but this beer does seem to have altered over the years or is this my taste buds playing up with me.

There is one beer that is not on the list that i had lots of when in Devizes this is Wadworths Henrys IPA i really like this beer but as i have said i am no expert on real ale so is this beer a proper IPA.

[NickDavies]

Those drinking in London in the darkest days of real ale will remember that Charrington's IPA was all you get across great swathes of the city. It was small wonder so many people had light and bitter. Seventies nostalgia can be very overrated.

[Thuck Phat]

The updated list:

The Good

Marble - Lagonda IPA
Blue Monkey - Ape Ale
Brew Dog - Punk IPA
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey
Acorn - Scorachi IPA
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA
Tryst - Raj IPA
Moor Pacific IPA (OB)
Kirkstall Dissolution (OB)
Penzance Brewing IPA (BF)
Dark Star Green Hopped IPA (PoH)
Kernels Simcoe IPA (PoH)
Wadsworths Henrys IPA (A1)

The Bad

Greene King - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
Brains - IPA
Wells - Eagle IPA
McMullen's IPA (BF)

The Nostalgic

Charringtons IPA (ND)

An interesting list, anyone have any more?

[Pubsignman]

An interesting list, anyone have any more?

My favourite IPA's from this year have been:

Buxton Axe Edge Double IPA
Summer Wine Diablo IPA
Redemption Big Chief

I'll also second PaulOfHorsham's nomination of Kernel Simcoe (although I was fortunate enough to find the cask version - a rarity for Kernel beers) - this will almost certainly be my Beer of the Year.

[ROBCamra]

The new beer from Thornbridge Seaforth IPA is excellent.

It's the same basic recipe & ABV as Jaipur but they use different hops.

Another dangerous one.

[Wittenden]

Another dangerous one.

I don't see many of these super/"American" IPA's-I suppose I don't get out enough. They all seem to be too "strong" for a regular session-bit like spending the night with Fuller's ESB!
Here's a cuople of "old style "IPA's that I know and love, though the style gurus would debate their right to be called IPA: Hopdeamon Skrimshander and Old Dairy Blue Top. Two cracking beers whatever they are described as.

[Thuck Phat]

Another one tried this week - Tring XL IPA. An easy drink at 6% but lacking in depth and flavour and with an odd aftertaste so I'm afraid it has to be bad.

The updated list:

The Good

Marble - Lagonda IPA
Blue Monkey - Ape Ale
Brew Dog - Punk IPA
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey
Acorn - Scorachi IPA
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA
Tryst - Raj IPA
Moor Pacific IPA (OB)
Kirkstall Dissolution (OB)
Penzance Brewing IPA (BF)
Dark Star Green Hopped IPA (PoH)
Kernels Simcoe IPA (PoH)
Wadsworths Henrys IPA (A1)
Buxton Axe Edge Double IPA (PSM)
Summer Wine Diablo IPA (PSM)
Redemption Big Chief (PSM)
Thornbridge Seaforth IPA (RobC)
Hopdeamon Skrimshander IPA (Wit)
Old Dairy Blue Top (Wit)


The Bad

Greene King - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
Brains - IPA
Wells - Eagle IPA
McMullen's IPA (BF)
Tring XL IPA

The Nostalgic

Charringtons IPA (ND)

A lot there that I've never heard of but will certainly look out for.

Any found in Nottingham?

[Millay]

Another one tried this week - Tring XL IPA. An easy drink at 6% but lacking in depth and flavour and with an odd aftertaste so I'm afraid it has to be bad.



I wouldn't agree about the Tring XL IPA being put in the bad bracket. I had a pint a few weeks ago and thought it was really good. It was actually bewed especially for CAMRA's 40th (XL) anniversary. Similarly with Brains IPA, not sure it should be in the bad category. I'm more in favour of strong hoppy IPA's but I had a couple of pints of Brains last night and enjoyed them. Only 3.4% I think but a good session beer. I guess this all comes down to personal taste, and maybe how the beer has been kept when you encounter it.

[Old Blue]

I'd add Acorn Santiam IPA to the good list, having had an excellent pint of it on Tuesday in the Devonshire Cat in Sheffield

[oldboots]

I'd add Acorn Santiam IPA to the good list, having had an excellent pint of it on Tuesday in the Devonshire Cat in Sheffield

Glad you enjoyed Sheffield, you must have had a good time but it may have been on Ossett's Santiam :)

which I agree is a damn fine pint and as good as some of the Acorn beers which you can't say for all the Ossett range.

[aleandhearty]

Glad you enjoyed Sheffield, you must have had a good time but it may have been on Ossett's Santiam :)

which I agree is a damn fine pint and as good as some of the Acorn beers which you can't say for all the Ossett range.

Don't want to be pedantic* 'ob', but there's no reason why it couldn't have been Acorn Santiam, as it's been available since mid-October:

http://www.acorn-brewery.co.uk/detail.asp?id=8


*Actually, I did really. :D

[oldboots]

Don't want to be pedantic* 'ob', but there's no reason why it couldn't have been Acorn Santiam, as it's been available since mid-October:

http://www.acorn-brewery.co.uk/detail.asp?id=8


*Actually, I did really. :D
curses, I stand corrected yet again

Sorry Old Blue.:o

[Old Blue]

Thanks guys. Was definitely Acorn, only my fourth beer of the night and nothing was at all blurred at that stage. The Ossett front is less clear to me as my phone (notes) tells me I thoroughly enjoyed their Big Red but it was at the end of the night and I haven't the slightest idea where I drank it!

[Thuck Phat]

I think you're right Millay, much is down to personal taste and how the beer's been kept.

Here's the updated list:

The Good

Marble - Lagonda IPA
Blue Monkey - Ape Ale
Brew Dog - Punk IPA
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey
Acorn - Scorachi IPA
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA
Tryst - Raj IPA
Moor Pacific IPA (OB)
Kirkstall Dissolution (OB)
Penzance Brewing IPA (BF)
Dark Star Green Hopped IPA (PoH)
Kernels Simcoe IPA (PoH)
Wadsworths Henrys IPA (A1)
Buxton Axe Edge Double IPA (PSM)
Summer Wine Diablo IPA (PSM)
Redemption Big Chief (PSM)
Thornbridge Seaforth IPA (RobC)
Hopdeamon Skrimshander IPA (Wit)
Old Dairy Blue Top (Wit)
Acorn Santiam IPA (O Blue)
Brains IPA (Mil)
Tring XL IPA (Mil)


The Bad

Greene King - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
Brains - IPA
Wells - Eagle IPA
McMullen's IPA (BF)
Tring XL IPA

The Nostalgic

Charringtons IPA (ND)

[aleandhearty]

A little bit late chipping in on this thread, but I would echo the comments above about the fluidity of the term these days, plus not getting too hung up on style boundaries. From a limited personal perspective, I'd say that in West Yorkshire the term IPA is often applied to APAs and even golden ales, beers that may well be below 5%. Two I've enjoyed recently have been Fernandes Motueka IPA and Summer Wine Kahuna.

[Thuck Phat]

Another new one tried this week at The Euston Tap, Ilkley Lotus IPA, typical IPA style and flavour and dangerously drinkable at 5.7%.

The updated list:

The Good

Marble - Lagonda IPA
Blue Monkey - Ape Ale
Brew Dog - Punk IPA
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey
Acorn - Scorachi IPA
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA
Tryst - Raj IPA
Moor Pacific IPA (OB)
Kirkstall Dissolution (OB)
Penzance Brewing IPA (BF)
Dark Star Green Hopped IPA (PoH)
Kernels Simcoe IPA (PoH)
Wadsworths Henrys IPA (A1)
Buxton Axe Edge Double IPA (PSM)
Summer Wine Diablo IPA (PSM)
Redemption Big Chief (PSM)
Thornbridge Seaforth IPA (RobC)
Hopdeamon Skrimshander IPA (Wit)
Old Dairy Blue Top (Wit)
Acorn Santiam IPA (O Blue)
Brains IPA (Mil)
Tring XL IPA (Mil)
Fernandes Motueka IPA (A&H)
Summer Wine Kahuna (A&H)
Ilkley Lotus IPA (TP)

The Bad

Greene King - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
Brains - IPA
Wells - Eagle IPA
McMullen's IPA (BF)
Tring XL IPA

The Nostalgic

Charringtons IPA (ND)

[Spinko]

The best style of beer..

A few more to mention.

Brewdog - Hardcore IPA (not seen this about for a while)
Stone - Ruination IPA (this has the honour of most expensive beer I've had at £7 in Euston Tap).
Sierra Nevada - Torpeda IPA (frequently on in North Bar)
Rat - King Rat

[Al 10000]

Another one for the good list tried yesyerday

Orkney - Wayfarers India Pale Ale at 5% not to strong and it was very drinkable.

[oldboots]

Did I mention Marble Dobber? A little sweet but up to 19th Century IPA average strength (6%) and bursting with hoppy flavour.

[Thuck Phat]

The updated list:

The Good

Marble - Lagonda IPA
Blue Monkey - Ape Ale
Brew Dog - Punk IPA
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey
Acorn - Scorachi IPA
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA
Tryst - Raj IPA
Moor Pacific IPA (OB)
Kirkstall Dissolution (OB)
Penzance Brewing IPA (BF)
Dark Star Green Hopped IPA (PoH)
Kernels Simcoe IPA (PoH)
Wadsworths Henrys IPA (A1)
Buxton Axe Edge Double IPA (PSM)
Summer Wine Diablo IPA (PSM)
Redemption Big Chief (PSM)
Thornbridge Seaforth IPA (RobC)
Hopdeamon Skrimshander IPA (Wit)
Old Dairy Blue Top (Wit)
Acorn Santiam IPA (O Blue)
Brains IPA (Mil)
Tring XL IPA (Mil)
Fernandes Motueka IPA (A&H)
Summer Wine Kahuna (A&H)
Ilkley Lotus IPA (TP)
Brewdog Hardcore IPA (Sp)
Stone Ruination IPA (Sp)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Sp)
Rat King Rat (Sp)
Orkney Wayfarers IPA (A1)
Marble Dobber (OB)

The Bad

Greene King - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
Brains - IPA
Wells - Eagle IPA
McMullen's IPA (BF)
Tring XL IPA

The Nostalgic

Charringtons IPA (ND)

[Old Blue]

Recently had Oakham Green Devil IPA, and found it worthy of the good list. Another 6%er, is has been described as 'Oakham Citra on Steroids'.

[Wittenden]

The best style of beer..

A few more to mention
Sierra Nevada - Torpeda IPA (frequently on in North Bar

I'm sorry,but I had a bottle of this a couple of years back, and found it wellnigh undrinkable, reminding me of the famous day I chewed a hop pellet on a trip round either Sheps or Fremlins.
Totally one dimensional. Damn pricey too!

[Spinko]

I'm sorry,but I had a bottle of this a couple of years back, and found it wellnigh undrinkable, reminding me of the famous day I chewed a hop pellet on a trip round either Sheps or Fremlins.
Totally one dimensional. Damn pricey too!

Agree, in bottles it can be very inconsistent as it needs to be had very fresh.

[Thuck Phat]

The updated list:

The Good

Marble - Lagonda IPA
Blue Monkey - Ape Ale
Brew Dog - Punk IPA
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey
Acorn - Scorachi IPA
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA
Tryst - Raj IPA
Moor Pacific IPA (OB)
Kirkstall Dissolution (OB)
Penzance Brewing IPA (BF)
Dark Star Green Hopped IPA (PoH)
Kernels Simcoe IPA (PoH)
Wadsworths Henrys IPA (A1)
Buxton Axe Edge Double IPA (PSM)
Summer Wine Diablo IPA (PSM)
Redemption Big Chief (PSM)
Thornbridge Seaforth IPA (RobC)
Hopdeamon Skrimshander IPA (Wit)
Old Dairy Blue Top (Wit)
Acorn Santiam IPA (O Blue)
Brains IPA (Mil)
Tring XL IPA (Mil)
Fernandes Motueka IPA (A&H)
Summer Wine Kahuna (A&H)
Ilkley Lotus IPA (TP)
Brewdog Hardcore IPA (Sp)
Stone Ruination IPA (Sp)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Sp)
Rat King Rat (Sp)
Orkney Wayfarers IPA (A1)
Marble Dobber (OB)
Oakham Green Devil IPA (O Blue)

The Bad

Greene King - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
Brains - IPA
Wells - Eagle IPA
McMullen's IPA (BF)
Tring XL IPA (TP)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Wit)

The Nostalgic

Charringtons IPA (ND)

[rpadam]

Some interesting thoughts on IPA from the Pub Curmudgeon blog:

http://forums.pubsgalore.co.uk/showthread.php?9768-The-Pub-Curmudgeon-IPA-as-it-used-to-be

http://pubcurmudgeon.blogspot.com/2012/01/ipa-as-it-used-to-be.html

[Dan BHTFC]

A good one I've had was Dancing Duck Abduction IPA from Derby. My favourite is Thornbridge Jaipur, cannot beat it!

[Thuck Phat]

Another from me with Fullers Benghal Lancer. A valiant attempt and very quaffable ale.

The updated list:

The Good

Marble - Lagonda IPA
Blue Monkey - Ape Ale
Brew Dog - Punk IPA
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey
Acorn - Scorachi IPA
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA
Tryst - Raj IPA
Moor Pacific IPA (OB)
Kirkstall Dissolution (OB)
Penzance Brewing IPA (BF)
Dark Star Green Hopped IPA (PoH)
Kernels Simcoe IPA (PoH)
Wadsworths Henrys IPA (A1)
Buxton Axe Edge Double IPA (PSM)
Summer Wine Diablo IPA (PSM)
Redemption Big Chief (PSM)
Thornbridge Seaforth IPA (RobC)
Hopdeamon Skrimshander IPA (Wit)
Old Dairy Blue Top (Wit)
Acorn Santiam IPA (O Blue)
Brains IPA (Mil)
Tring XL IPA (Mil)
Fernandes Motueka IPA (A&H)
Summer Wine Kahuna (A&H)
Ilkley Lotus IPA (TP)
Brewdog Hardcore IPA (Sp)
Stone Ruination IPA (Sp)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Sp)
Rat King Rat (Sp)
Orkney Wayfarers IPA (A1)
Marble Dobber (OB)
Oakham Green Devil IPA (O Blue)
Dancing Duck Abduction IPA (Dan B)
Fullers Benghal Lancer (TP)

The Bad

Greene King - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
Brains - IPA
Wells - Eagle IPA
McMullen's IPA (BF)
Tring XL IPA (TP)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Wit)

The Nostalgic

Charringtons IPA (ND)

[Bucking Fastard]

Another for the Good list is Red Squirrel Redwood American IPA which featured as my BOTW and is, so far, my pint of the year;and another winner from Red Squirrel.I was still getting an aftertaste five locks further up the Grand Union after a lunchtime in The Riser.

[Thuck Phat]

A couple more from me: Phipps NBC IPA, which I've since found is brewed by the Grainstore Brewery in Rutland and bottled Cornish IPA by St. Austell from M&S. The Phipps IPA at 4.2% bears very little resemblance to what I think of as an IPA. It's a decent drink but doesn't cut it as an IPA so it's going in the bad column while the Cornish IPA is an excellent bottled ale for both drinking and cooking with.

The updated list:

The Good

Marble - Lagonda IPA
Blue Monkey - Ape Ale
Brew Dog - Punk IPA
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey
Acorn - Scorachi IPA
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA
Tryst - Raj IPA
Moor Pacific IPA (OB)
Kirkstall Dissolution (OB)
Penzance Brewing IPA (BF)
Dark Star Green Hopped IPA (PoH)
Kernels Simcoe IPA (PoH)
Wadsworths Henrys IPA (A1)
Buxton Axe Edge Double IPA (PSM)
Summer Wine Diablo IPA (PSM)
Redemption Big Chief (PSM)
Thornbridge Seaforth IPA (RobC)
Hopdeamon Skrimshander IPA (Wit)
Old Dairy Blue Top (Wit)
Acorn Santiam IPA (O Blue)
Brains IPA (Mil)
Tring XL IPA (Mil)
Fernandes Motueka IPA (A&H)
Summer Wine Kahuna (A&H)
Ilkley Lotus IPA (TP)
Brewdog Hardcore IPA (Sp)
Stone Ruination IPA (Sp)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Sp)
Rat King Rat (Sp)
Orkney Wayfarers IPA (A1)
Marble Dobber (OB)
Oakham Green Devil IPA (O Blue)
Dancing Duck Abduction IPA (Dan B)
Fullers Benghal Lancer (TP)
Red Squirrel Redwood American IPA (BF)
St Austell Cornish IPA (TP)

The Bad

Greene King - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
Brains - IPA
Wells - Eagle IPA
McMullen's IPA (BF)
Tring XL IPA (TP)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Wit)
Phipps NBC India Pale Ale (TP)

The Nostalgic

Charringtons IPA (ND)

[Oggwyn Trench]

You can add Ironbridge IPA (4%) to the good list , pity they dont brew it more often .

[Thuck Phat]

Another addition to the good list, although this one really belongs in outstanding. Ridgeside Southern Cross, brewed in Leeds from NZ hops and fantastically drinkable.

The updated list:

The Good

Marble - Lagonda IPA
Blue Monkey - Ape Ale
Brew Dog - Punk IPA
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey
Acorn - Scorachi IPA
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA
Tryst - Raj IPA
Moor Pacific IPA (OB)
Kirkstall Dissolution (OB)
Penzance Brewing IPA (BF)
Dark Star Green Hopped IPA (PoH)
Kernels Simcoe IPA (PoH)
Wadsworths Henrys IPA (A1)
Buxton Axe Edge Double IPA (PSM)
Summer Wine Diablo IPA (PSM)
Redemption Big Chief (PSM)
Thornbridge Seaforth IPA (RobC)
Hopdeamon Skrimshander IPA (Wit)
Old Dairy Blue Top (Wit)
Acorn Santiam IPA (O Blue)
Brains IPA (Mil)
Tring XL IPA (Mil)
Fernandes Motueka IPA (A&H)
Summer Wine Kahuna (A&H)
Ilkley Lotus IPA (TP)
Brewdog Hardcore IPA (Sp)
Stone Ruination IPA (Sp)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Sp)
Rat King Rat (Sp)
Orkney Wayfarers IPA (A1)
Marble Dobber (OB)
Oakham Green Devil IPA (O Blue)
Dancing Duck Abduction IPA (Dan B)
Fullers Benghal Lancer (TP)
Red Squirrel Redwood American IPA (BF)
St Austell Cornish IPA (TP)
Ironbridge IPA (OT)
Ridgeside Southern Cross (TP)

The Bad

Greene King - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
Brains - IPA
Wells - Eagle IPA
McMullen's IPA (BF)
Tring XL IPA (TP)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Wit)
Phipps NBC India Pale Ale (TP)

The Nostalgic

Charringtons IPA (ND)

[Thuck Phat]

Had a Kirkstall Dissolution IPA at The Whitelocks in Leeds. Great pub and great beer, already in here courtesy of OB. Also tried an Off Beat Out of Step IPA in Veritas in Leeds. Excellent so into the Good list it goes.

The Good

Marble - Lagonda IPA
Blue Monkey - Ape Ale
Brew Dog - Punk IPA
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey
Acorn - Scorachi IPA
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA
Tryst - Raj IPA
Moor Pacific IPA (OB)
Kirkstall Dissolution (OB)
Penzance Brewing IPA (BF)
Dark Star Green Hopped IPA (PoH)
Kernels Simcoe IPA (PoH)
Wadsworths Henrys IPA (A1)
Buxton Axe Edge Double IPA (PSM)
Summer Wine Diablo IPA (PSM)
Redemption Big Chief (PSM)
Thornbridge Seaforth IPA (RobC)
Hopdeamon Skrimshander IPA (Wit)
Old Dairy Blue Top (Wit)
Acorn Santiam IPA (O Blue)
Brains IPA (Mil)
Tring XL IPA (Mil)
Fernandes Motueka IPA (A&H)
Summer Wine Kahuna (A&H)
Ilkley Lotus IPA (TP)
Brewdog Hardcore IPA (Sp)
Stone Ruination IPA (Sp)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Sp)
Rat King Rat (Sp)
Orkney Wayfarers IPA (A1)
Marble Dobber (OB)
Oakham Green Devil IPA (O Blue)
Dancing Duck Abduction IPA (Dan B)
Fullers Benghal Lancer (TP)
Red Squirrel Redwood American IPA (BF)
St Austell Cornish IPA (TP)
Ironbridge IPA (OT)
Ridgeside Southern Cross (TP)
Off Beat Out of Step IPA (TP)

The Bad

Greene King - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
Brains - IPA
Wells - Eagle IPA
McMullen's IPA (BF)
Tring XL IPA (TP)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Wit)
Phipps NBC India Pale Ale (TP)

The Nostalgic

Charringtons IPA (ND)

[aleandhearty]

Seeing this thread again has reminded me to nominate Holts IPA to the duff list. For a start it's 3.8%. The brewery puff talks about 'relatively high bitterness and fragrant hop aroma' You could have fooled me. An adequate malty session beer at best. Disappointing.

[Mobyduck]

Had two or three pints of RCH Hewish IPA which I found to be quite a pleasant drink,bitter yet fruity but only 3.8% or there about's, a decent session beer ,one of the better beers of the week. But in the context of this thread ,not a true IPA so probably on the duff end of the scale even though I enjoyed it. :confused:

[Wittenden]

Seeing this thread again has reminded me to nominate Holts IPA to the duff list. For a start it's 3.8%. The brewery puff talks about 'relatively high bitterness and fragrant hop aroma' You could have fooled me. An adequate malty session beer at best. Disappointing.
That is sad news:in my early beer drinking days, when Watney's Special Mild was our beer of choice, mainly because it was a penny cheaper than anything else,Holts had a awe inspiring reputation as being so bitter and extreme that it made grown men weep.Indeed, on my sole crawl in Cottonopolis in 1974 I remember being really impressed by this:very dry and I think very pale,but I might be confusing the palour with the pre-sell out Boddington's. I also enjoyed Robinson's Old Tom, but that is probably, in hindsight, something to be glossed over...

[Aqualung]

The trouble with this thread is that the term IPA lost it's original context many years ago (before I started drinking).

The genuine IPA is a strong heavily hopped India Pale Ale that was brewed to export by ship to India. It was strong so that it would survive the long ship journey to India.

A similar brew was made for America which became America IPA, something now brewed by Craft Brewers
in America and over here.

The problem with the term IPA is that it was hijacked by big breweries long after these strong beers were being shipped abroad.


The most noteable examples are GK IPA and the defunct Charrington's IPA.

Neither of these beers are/were IPAs, Greene King IPA is a bog-standard cooking bitter, nothing wrong with that if you catch it in fine form.

Charrington's IPA was a sweetish bitter that was OK if the pub looked after it but in most cases didn't.

[oldboots]

The genuine IPA is a strong heavily hopped India Pale Ale that was brewed to export by ship to India. It was strong so that it would survive the long ship journey to India.


I mostly agree with what you say about modern IPAs (although certainly not about America(n) IPA) but check the statement above here (http://zythophile.wordpress.com/2011/08/04/four-ipa-myths-that-need-to-be-stamped-out-for-ipaday/)

[Thuck Phat]

The trouble with this thread is that the term IPA lost it's original context many years ago (before I started drinking).


I agree with much of what you said and it was one of the reasons for starting the thread. Initially there was much debate along the lines of what constituted a 'real' IPA and IPA history but what seemed most useful was the list of those IPA's which people had enjoyed and those they hadn't. And with that here is the list updated:

The Good

Marble - Lagonda IPA
Blue Monkey - Ape Ale
Brew Dog - Punk IPA
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey
Acorn - Scorachi IPA
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA
Tryst - Raj IPA
Moor Pacific IPA (OB)
Kirkstall Dissolution (OB)
Penzance Brewing IPA (BF)
Dark Star Green Hopped IPA (PoH)
Kernels Simcoe IPA (PoH)
Wadsworths Henrys IPA (A1)
Buxton Axe Edge Double IPA (PSM)
Summer Wine Diablo IPA (PSM)
Redemption Big Chief (PSM)
Thornbridge Seaforth IPA (RobC)
Hopdeamon Skrimshander IPA (Wit)
Old Dairy Blue Top (Wit)
Acorn Santiam IPA (O Blue)
Brains IPA (Mil)
Tring XL IPA (Mil)
Fernandes Motueka IPA (A&H)
Summer Wine Kahuna (A&H)
Ilkley Lotus IPA (TP)
Brewdog Hardcore IPA (Sp)
Stone Ruination IPA (Sp)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Sp)
Rat King Rat (Sp)
Orkney Wayfarers IPA (A1)
Marble Dobber (OB)
Oakham Green Devil IPA (O Blue)
Dancing Duck Abduction IPA (Dan B)
Fullers Benghal Lancer (TP)
Red Squirrel Redwood American IPA (BF)
St Austell Cornish IPA (TP)
Ironbridge IPA (OT)
Ridgeside Southern Cross (TP)
Off Beat Out of Step IPA (TP)
RCH Hewish IPA (MD)

The Bad

Greene King - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
Brains - IPA
Wells - Eagle IPA
McMullen's IPA (BF)
Tring XL IPA (TP)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Wit)
Phipps NBC India Pale Ale (TP)
Holts IPA (A&H)

The Nostalgic

Charringtons IPA (ND)

[Mobyduck]

Had Thwaites Indus IPA today, a beer I really liked ,hoppy and bitter but is it an IPA in the true sense of the word, how can you compare it to Thornbridge Jaipur or Darkstar Green Hopped, no chance, but at 3.9% as a beer called an IPA, for me it has to go in the good category .

[aleandhearty]

After gushing elsewhere about Roosters / Odells The Accomplice, I really need to nominate it to the good list here. Infact, you might want to consider opening a f*****g brilliant category and placing it there. :) More info here:

http://www.roosters.co.uk/index.php/the-accomplice/

[Spinko]

The Kernel - Citra IPA (7.2%)
Had in the Port St Beer House for a very reasonable £2.40 a half :cheers:

[Pubsignman]

Happy IPA Day!

http://www.craftbeer.com/pages/stories/craft-beer-muses/show?title=ipa-day-returns-on-august-2nd

[trainman]

After gushing elsewhere about Roosters / Odells The Accomplice, I really need to nominate it to the good list here. Infact, you might want to consider opening a f*****g brilliant category and placing it there. :) More info here:

http://www.roosters.co.uk/index.php/the-accomplice/

I'm guessing 'limited edition' may mean that non-Yorkshire folk have little chance of sampling this cracker a&h?
I somehow doubt I'll find any in Nyons when we next nip in for food/wine supplies, and you'll probably have finished the lot by the time i'm back in Blighty next week...
I'll alert my Cask/Craft spies, just in case...

[Bucking Fastard]

Happy IPA Day!

http://www.craftbeer.com/pages/stories/craft-beer-muses/show?title=ipa-day-returns-on-august-2nd

Quite by accident I managed to celebrate with an 8 Ball Rye IPA from Beavertown Brewery at lunchtime in The Strathmore Arms.Never heard of this brewery before and assumed it must be based in somewhere like Doncaster only to find out that the brewery name is old cockney for the De Beauvoir Town part of Hackney.It was pretty good,with a very long finish but not quite in a&h's f*****g brilliant category.

[Aqualung]

Those drinking in London in the darkest days of real ale will remember that Charrington's IPA was all you get across great swathes of the city. It was small wonder so many people had light and bitter. Seventies nostalgia can be very overrated.

I remember Charrington's IPA very well, it was a sweetish bitter that could be OK if well kept, but it invariably wasn't. Draught Bass was miles better if you could find it and a lot of the places that had it looked after it, so it sold well. They completely ruined it in the early eighties (I think).

Bass Charrington had a couple of real shockers in keg form, Toby Keg and Keg Allbright. These really were awful!

[Thuck Phat]

A fair few new ones to add plus a new category.

Another from me: St Austell Podium IPA. A decent enough drink at 4% but not really good enough to live with those in the Good category.

The Good

Marble - Lagonda IPA
Blue Monkey - Ape Ale
Brew Dog - Punk IPA
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey
Acorn - Scorachi IPA
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA
Tryst - Raj IPA
Moor Pacific IPA (OB)
Kirkstall Dissolution (OB)
Penzance Brewing IPA (BF)
Dark Star Green Hopped IPA (PoH)
Kernels Simcoe IPA (PoH)
Wadsworths Henrys IPA (A1)
Buxton Axe Edge Double IPA (PSM)
Summer Wine Diablo IPA (PSM)
Redemption Big Chief (PSM)
Thornbridge Seaforth IPA (RobC)
Hopdeamon Skrimshander IPA (Wit)
Old Dairy Blue Top (Wit)
Acorn Santiam IPA (O Blue)
Brains IPA (Mil)
Tring XL IPA (Mil)
Fernandes Motueka IPA (A&H)
Summer Wine Kahuna (A&H)
Ilkley Lotus IPA (TP)
Brewdog Hardcore IPA (Sp)
Stone Ruination IPA (Sp)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Sp)
Rat King Rat (Sp)
Orkney Wayfarers IPA (A1)
Marble Dobber (OB)
Oakham Green Devil IPA (O Blue)
Dancing Duck Abduction IPA (Dan B)
Fullers Benghal Lancer (TP)
Red Squirrel Redwood American IPA (BF)
St Austell Cornish IPA (TP)
Ironbridge IPA (OT)
Ridgeside Southern Cross (TP)
Off Beat Out of Step IPA (TP)
RCH Hewish IPA (MD)
Thwaites Indus IPA (MD)
The Kernel Citra IPA (Sp)
Beavertown 8 Ball Rye IPA (BF)

The Bad

Greene King - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
Brains - IPA
Wells - Eagle IPA
McMullen's IPA (BF)
Tring XL IPA (TP)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Wit)
Phipps NBC India Pale Ale (TP)
Holts IPA (A&H)
St Austell Podium IPA (TP)

The Nostalgic

Charringtons IPA (ND)

A&H's F*****g Brilliant

Roosters/Odells The Accomplice (A&H)

[Quinno]

Finally tried some Eagle IPA at the Watts Arms the other day. Awful stuff!

[Mobyduck]

Whitehorse Saracen IPA, definitely good.

[Mobyduck]

Greene King IPA Gold,not good ,in fact bad.

[Mobyduck]

Sharps Atlantic IPA 4.2%
more good than bad,but not convinced.

[Thuck Phat]

Salopian Kashmir, their long awaited stab at an IPA and it's spot on at 5.5% so goes straight into A & H's F*****g Brilliant.

The list:

The Good

Marble - Lagonda IPA
Blue Monkey - Ape Ale
Brew Dog - Punk IPA
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey
Acorn - Scorachi IPA
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA
Tryst - Raj IPA
Moor Pacific IPA (OB)
Kirkstall Dissolution (OB)
Penzance Brewing IPA (BF)
Dark Star Green Hopped IPA (PoH)
Kernels Simcoe IPA (PoH)
Wadsworths Henrys IPA (A1)
Buxton Axe Edge Double IPA (PSM)
Summer Wine Diablo IPA (PSM)
Redemption Big Chief (PSM)
Thornbridge Seaforth IPA (RobC)
Hopdeamon Skrimshander IPA (Wit)
Old Dairy Blue Top (Wit)
Acorn Santiam IPA (O Blue)
Brains IPA (Mil)
Tring XL IPA (Mil)
Fernandes Motueka IPA (A&H)
Summer Wine Kahuna (A&H)
Ilkley Lotus IPA (TP)
Brewdog Hardcore IPA (Sp)
Stone Ruination IPA (Sp)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Sp)
Rat King Rat (Sp)
Orkney Wayfarers IPA (A1)
Marble Dobber (OB)
Oakham Green Devil IPA (O Blue)
Dancing Duck Abduction IPA (Dan B)
Fullers Benghal Lancer (TP)
Red Squirrel Redwood American IPA (BF)
St Austell Cornish IPA (TP)
Ironbridge IPA (OT)
Ridgeside Southern Cross (TP)
Off Beat Out of Step IPA (TP)
RCH Hewish IPA (MD)
Thwaites Indus IPA (MD)
The Kernel Citra IPA (Sp)
Beavertown 8 Ball Rye IPA (BF)
Whitehorse Saracen IPA (MD)
Sharps Atlantic IPA (MD)

The Bad

Greene King - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
Brains - IPA
Wells - Eagle IPA
McMullen's IPA (BF)
Tring XL IPA (TP)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Wit)
Phipps NBC India Pale Ale (TP)
Holts IPA (A&H)
St Austell Podium IPA (TP)
GK IPA Gold (MD)

The Nostalgic

Charringtons IPA (ND)

A&H's F*****g Brilliant

Roosters/Odells The Accomplice (A&H)
Salopian Kashmir (TP)

[Oggwyn Trench]

Tried Wantsum IPA yesterday pretty good , but the Clun Citadel was great , a traditional IPA 5.4% not quite f*****g brilliant but not far off :notworthy:

[Oggwyn Trench]

Tiny Rebel - Urban IPA very good , tastes like a traditional IPA then the Hops hit you at the finish , lovely stuff:notworthy:

[Old Blue]

Harviestoun Wild Hop IPA for the good list

[Pubsignman]

Couple more for the good list:

Sunny Republic Hop Dog (5.5%) - brewed with Kohatu and Dana hops - not very subtle but very enjoyable.

Yeovil Posh IPA (5.4%) - very moreish, another very good beer from the Yeovil brewery - shame I couldn't find any of their beers on a recent trip to Yeovil.

[Brewguru]

Couple more for the good list:

Yeovil Posh IPA (5.4%) - very moreish, another very good beer from the Yeovil brewery - shame I couldn't find any of their beers on a recent trip to Yeovil.

Best bet is Woods Wine Bar (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/74472/), The Green Room (a restaurant!) and The Yew Tree (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/33344). Woods is the best bet out of these three IMHO.

For a proper free house experience you are best looking in the pubs in the villages around Yeovil, but the beer is hard to find unless you know where to look. For Posh IPA the Rusty Axe Stembridge (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/65819/) which has recently reopened is stocking it, as does the White Hart, Crewkerne (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/32949/). which reminds me, I need to update the Rusty with an up to date review.

[Pubsignman]

Best bet is Woods Wine Bar (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/74472/), The Green Room (a restaurant!) and The Yew Tree (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/33344). Woods is the best bet out of these three IMHO.

For a proper free house experience you are best looking in the pubs in the villages around Yeovil, but the beer is hard to find unless you know where to look. For Posh IPA the Rusty Axe Stembridge (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/65819/) which has recently reopened is stocking it, as does the White Hart, Crewkerne (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/32949/). which reminds me, I need to update the Rusty with an up to date review.

Thanks for the tips. I spent most of my time in Yeovil trying to navigate my way from the train station into town, then onwards to Huish Park and back again on local buses. This seemingly simple task ended up being a complete nightmare, so I didn't get much time to explore beyond a quick hike up the hill to the Quicksilver Mail and a couple of swift pints in the town centre. I'll make sure Woods is on my list for next season.

[Thuck Phat]

Having visited the Marble Arch in Manchester 3 years ago it was clear to me that Marble Lagonda IPA was the best IPA I'd ever had and indeed the best beer. A recent visit was made with some trepidation: was this paragon as good as before, had the recipe changed, had the competition caught up.
There's no doubt that the competition is much better than it was 3 years ago as the below list shows and three cheers for that. Marble Lagonda IPA though, remains as excellent as ever and is still my favourite beer. That and the fact that my labrador is named after the brewery, justifies a reclassification from Good to A & H's F*****g Brilliant I think.

A&H's F*****g Brilliant

Roosters/Odells The Accomplice (A&H)
Salopian Kashmir (TP)
Marble Lagonda IPA (TP)

The Good

Blue Monkey - Ape Ale
Brew Dog - Punk IPA
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey
Acorn - Scorachi IPA
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA
Tryst - Raj IPA
Moor Pacific IPA (OB)
Kirkstall Dissolution (OB)
Penzance Brewing IPA (BF)
Dark Star Green Hopped IPA (PoH)
Kernels Simcoe IPA (PoH)
Wadsworths Henrys IPA (A1)
Buxton Axe Edge Double IPA (PSM)
Summer Wine Diablo IPA (PSM)
Redemption Big Chief (PSM)
Thornbridge Seaforth IPA (RobC)
Hopdeamon Skrimshander IPA (Wit)
Old Dairy Blue Top (Wit)
Acorn Santiam IPA (O Blue)
Brains IPA (Mil)
Tring XL IPA (Mil)
Fernandes Motueka IPA (A&H)
Summer Wine Kahuna (A&H)
Ilkley Lotus IPA (TP)
Brewdog Hardcore IPA (Sp)
Stone Ruination IPA (Sp)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Sp)
Rat King Rat (Sp)
Orkney Wayfarers IPA (A1)
Marble Dobber (OB)
Oakham Green Devil IPA (O Blue)
Dancing Duck Abduction IPA (Dan B)
Fullers Benghal Lancer (TP)
Red Squirrel Redwood American IPA (BF)
St Austell Cornish IPA (TP)
Ironbridge IPA (OT)
Ridgeside Southern Cross (TP)
Off Beat Out of Step IPA (TP)
RCH Hewish IPA (MD)
Thwaites Indus IPA (MD)
The Kernel Citra IPA (Sp)
Beavertown 8 Ball Rye IPA (BF)
Whitehorse Saracen IPA (MD)
Sharps Atlantic IPA (MD)
Wantsun IPA (OT)
Clun Citadel (OT)
Tiny Rebel Urban IPA (OT)
Harviestoun Wild Hop IPA (O Blue)
Sunny Republic Hop Dog (PSM)
Yeovil Posh IPA (PSM)

The Bad

Greene King - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
Brains - IPA
Wells - Eagle IPA
McMullen's IPA (BF)
Tring XL IPA (TP)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Wit)
Phipps NBC India Pale Ale (TP)
Holts IPA (A&H)
St Austell Podium IPA (TP)
GK IPA Gold (MD)

The Nostalgic

Charringtons IPA (ND)

[Oggwyn Trench]

Elland - Big Dog IPA(4.9%) is very good

Accorn - Calypso IPA (5%)not bad but nothing special

[Al 10000]

Two new IPAs for me and both to go on the good list

Lincoln Green Sheriffs IPA 5.5% and very drinkable,this is from a fairly new Nottingham brewery

Navigation Classic IPA 5.2% and a really refreshing drink,this is brewed a the newish Navigation brewery in Nottingham

[rpadam]

Old Dairy Hop Top Double IPA (9%) - a right hop bomb, sold in 330 ml bottles (which is probably all you would want in one go...)

[Wittenden]

Old Dairy Hop Top Double IPA (9%) - a right hop bomb, sold in 330 ml bottles (which is probably all you would want in one go...)

Yes, I've got a stash in the cupboard!

[aleandhearty]

Great Heck's Yakima IPA is an excellent brew, definitely belonging to the 'good' category and borderline for an 'FB' rating.

[Mobyduck]

My local (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/59679/)has four barrels of Darkstar Greenhopped IPA on order,dangerous times ahead. I'll let you know but on past experience this should be in the F.B category. :drinkup: :cheers: :nishelypished:

[Mobyduck]

St Austell Proper Job ,one for the good.

[Mobyduck]

First pint of Darkstar Greenhopped IPA last night. Absolutely F.B.

[Thuck Phat]

A few to update:

A&H's F*****g Brilliant

Roosters/Odells The Accomplice (A&H)
Salopian Kashmir (TP)
Marble Lagonda IPA (TP)
Darkstar Greenhopped IPA (MD)

The Good

Blue Monkey - Ape Ale
Brew Dog - Punk IPA
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey
Acorn - Scorachi IPA
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA
Tryst - Raj IPA
Moor Pacific IPA (OB)
Kirkstall Dissolution (OB)
Penzance Brewing IPA (BF)
Dark Star Green Hopped IPA (PoH)
Kernels Simcoe IPA (PoH)
Wadsworths Henrys IPA (A1)
Buxton Axe Edge Double IPA (PSM)
Summer Wine Diablo IPA (PSM)
Redemption Big Chief (PSM)
Thornbridge Seaforth IPA (RobC)
Hopdeamon Skrimshander IPA (Wit)
Old Dairy Blue Top (Wit)
Acorn Santiam IPA (O Blue)
Brains IPA (Mil)
Tring XL IPA (Mil)
Fernandes Motueka IPA (A&H)
Summer Wine Kahuna (A&H)
Ilkley Lotus IPA (TP)
Brewdog Hardcore IPA (Sp)
Stone Ruination IPA (Sp)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Sp)
Rat King Rat (Sp)
Orkney Wayfarers IPA (A1)
Marble Dobber (OB)
Oakham Green Devil IPA (O Blue)
Dancing Duck Abduction IPA (Dan B)
Fullers Benghal Lancer (TP)
Red Squirrel Redwood American IPA (BF)
St Austell Cornish IPA (TP)
Ironbridge IPA (OT)
Ridgeside Southern Cross (TP)
Off Beat Out of Step IPA (TP)
RCH Hewish IPA (MD)
Thwaites Indus IPA (MD)
The Kernel Citra IPA (Sp)
Beavertown 8 Ball Rye IPA (BF)
Whitehorse Saracen IPA (MD)
Sharps Atlantic IPA (MD)
Wantsun IPA (OT)
Clun Citadel (OT)
Tiny Rebel Urban IPA (OT)
Harviestoun Wild Hop IPA (O Blue)
Sunny Republic Hop Dog (PSM)
Yeovil Posh IPA (PSM)
Elland Big Dog IPA (OT)
Acorn Calypso IPA (OT)
Lincoln Green Sheriffs IPA (A1)
Navigation Classic IPA (A1)
Old Dairy Hop Top Double (RPA)
Great Heck Yakima IPA (A&H)
St Austell Proper Job (MD)

The Bad

Greene King - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
Brains - IPA
Wells - Eagle IPA
McMullen's IPA (BF)
Tring XL IPA (TP)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Wit)
Phipps NBC India Pale Ale (TP)
Holts IPA (A&H)
St Austell Podium IPA (TP)
GK IPA Gold (MD)

The Nostalgic

Charringtons IPA (ND)

[Thuck Phat]

Three more tried, all good but across the spectrum of good. In order of preference:
Red Willow Shameless IPA - very good and exactly what you'd expect a classic IPA to be at 5.9%
Acorn Millenium IPA - very bitter and packs a decent punch at 5%
Pheonix West Coast IPA - slightly insipid but perfectly drinkable at 4.6%

A&H's F*****g Brilliant

Roosters/Odells The Accomplice (A&H)
Salopian Kashmir (TP)
Marble Lagonda IPA (TP)
Darkstar Greenhopped IPA (MD)

The Good

Blue Monkey - Ape Ale
Brew Dog - Punk IPA
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey
Acorn - Scorachi IPA
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA
Tryst - Raj IPA
Moor Pacific IPA (OB)
Kirkstall Dissolution (OB)
Penzance Brewing IPA (BF)
Dark Star Green Hopped IPA (PoH)
Kernels Simcoe IPA (PoH)
Wadsworths Henrys IPA (A1)
Buxton Axe Edge Double IPA (PSM)
Summer Wine Diablo IPA (PSM)
Redemption Big Chief (PSM)
Thornbridge Seaforth IPA (RobC)
Hopdeamon Skrimshander IPA (Wit)
Old Dairy Blue Top (Wit)
Acorn Santiam IPA (O Blue)
Brains IPA (Mil)
Tring XL IPA (Mil)
Fernandes Motueka IPA (A&H)
Summer Wine Kahuna (A&H)
Ilkley Lotus IPA (TP)
Brewdog Hardcore IPA (Sp)
Stone Ruination IPA (Sp)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Sp)
Rat King Rat (Sp)
Orkney Wayfarers IPA (A1)
Marble Dobber (OB)
Oakham Green Devil IPA (O Blue)
Dancing Duck Abduction IPA (Dan B)
Fullers Benghal Lancer (TP)
Red Squirrel Redwood American IPA (BF)
St Austell Cornish IPA (TP)
Ironbridge IPA (OT)
Ridgeside Southern Cross (TP)
Off Beat Out of Step IPA (TP)
RCH Hewish IPA (MD)
Thwaites Indus IPA (MD)
The Kernel Citra IPA (Sp)
Beavertown 8 Ball Rye IPA (BF)
Whitehorse Saracen IPA (MD)
Sharps Atlantic IPA (MD)
Wantsun IPA (OT)
Clun Citadel (OT)
Tiny Rebel Urban IPA (OT)
Harviestoun Wild Hop IPA (O Blue)
Sunny Republic Hop Dog (PSM)
Yeovil Posh IPA (PSM)
Elland Big Dog IPA (OT)
Acorn Calypso IPA (OT)
Lincoln Green Sheriffs IPA (A1)
Navigation Classic IPA (A1)
Old Dairy Hop Top Double (RPA)
Great Heck Yakima IPA (A&H)
St Austell Proper Job (MD)
Pheonix West Coast IPA (TP)
Acorn Millenium IPA (TP)
Redwillow Shameless IPA (TP)

The Bad

Greene King - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
Brains - IPA
Wells - Eagle IPA
McMullen's IPA (BF)
Tring XL IPA (TP)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Wit)
Phipps NBC India Pale Ale (TP)
Holts IPA (A&H)
St Austell Podium IPA (TP)
GK IPA Gold (MD)

The Nostalgic

Charringtons IPA (ND)

[PaulOfHorsham]

Ron Pattinson can add to your [India] Pale Ale knowledge in a blog entry (http://barclayperkins.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/oh-dear-again.html) today. After reading that, it appears that the Good Beer Guide editor (Roger Protz?) may also need to improve his own beer history education.

[Bucking Fastard]

Interesting short article in the latest edition of Beer about India Pale Ale by Graham Holter describing the more recent revival in this beer style.I liked the quote from the brewer at St Austell ..."Ultimately ,beer styles are fluid and they evolve " although the pun was probably unintentional.

[Thuck Phat]

One new one and one reclassification both tried at the fantastic semi-annual beer festival at the Merchants (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/57333/), Rugby.

Oakham Untouchable IPA. Unbelievably tasty at 9%, pale with some sweetness but the unmistakeable Oakham citrussy bitterness to balance this. Very dangerous and straight to A&H's F*****g Brilliant.
Blue Monkey Ape Ale, described as an IPA on their website and exactly what you'd expect an IPA to be. On the pale side of amber and packed with well balanced flavour at 5.4%. Beyond good. F*****g Brilliant in fact.

A&H's F*****g Brilliant

Roosters/Odells The Accomplice (A&H)
Salopian Kashmir (TP)
Marble Lagonda IPA (TP)
Darkstar Greenhopped IPA (MD)
Blue Monkey Ape Ale (TP)
Oakham Untouchable IPA (TP)

The Good

Brew Dog - Punk IPA
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey
Acorn - Scorachi IPA
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA
Tryst - Raj IPA
Moor Pacific IPA (OB)
Kirkstall Dissolution (OB)
Penzance Brewing IPA (BF)
Dark Star Green Hopped IPA (PoH)
Kernels Simcoe IPA (PoH)
Wadsworths Henrys IPA (A1)
Buxton Axe Edge Double IPA (PSM)
Summer Wine Diablo IPA (PSM)
Redemption Big Chief (PSM)
Thornbridge Seaforth IPA (RobC)
Hopdeamon Skrimshander IPA (Wit)
Old Dairy Blue Top (Wit)
Acorn Santiam IPA (O Blue)
Brains IPA (Mil)
Tring XL IPA (Mil)
Fernandes Motueka IPA (A&H)
Summer Wine Kahuna (A&H)
Ilkley Lotus IPA (TP)
Brewdog Hardcore IPA (Sp)
Stone Ruination IPA (Sp)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Sp)
Rat King Rat (Sp)
Orkney Wayfarers IPA (A1)
Marble Dobber (OB)
Oakham Green Devil IPA (O Blue)
Dancing Duck Abduction IPA (Dan B)
Fullers Benghal Lancer (TP)
Red Squirrel Redwood American IPA (BF)
St Austell Cornish IPA (TP)
Ironbridge IPA (OT)
Ridgeside Southern Cross (TP)
Off Beat Out of Step IPA (TP)
RCH Hewish IPA (MD)
Thwaites Indus IPA (MD)
The Kernel Citra IPA (Sp)
Beavertown 8 Ball Rye IPA (BF)
Whitehorse Saracen IPA (MD)
Sharps Atlantic IPA (MD)
Wantsun IPA (OT)
Clun Citadel (OT)
Tiny Rebel Urban IPA (OT)
Harviestoun Wild Hop IPA (O Blue)
Sunny Republic Hop Dog (PSM)
Yeovil Posh IPA (PSM)
Elland Big Dog IPA (OT)
Acorn Calypso IPA (OT)
Lincoln Green Sheriffs IPA (A1)
Navigation Classic IPA (A1)
Old Dairy Hop Top Double (RPA)
Great Heck Yakima IPA (A&H)
St Austell Proper Job (MD)
Pheonix West Coast IPA (TP)
Acorn Millenium IPA (TP)
Redwillow Shameless IPA (TP)

The Bad

Greene King - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
Brains - IPA
Wells - Eagle IPA
McMullen's IPA (BF)
Tring XL IPA (TP)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Wit)
Phipps NBC India Pale Ale (TP)
Holts IPA (A&H)
St Austell Podium IPA (TP)
GK IPA Gold (MD)

The Nostalgic

Charringtons IPA (ND)

[Thuck Phat]

Another one to add - Sadlers Red IPA. It is just that, a red IPA and tastes like a autumnal IPA with plenty of flavour at 5.7%. I liked it a lot but not quite enough to elevate it above Good.

[PaulOfHorsham]

Recently encountered another one, TP (well, kind of). Magic Rock produce a house special for the Craft Beer Co group - they call it Craft Magic and very good it is too; pale & hoppy, just how I like 'em.

But this is where it all gets tricky: it's labelled a 'Session IPA', clocks in at 3.2% and, to me, reignites that old 'just what is an IPA?' question. Is it defined by the brewer? By the beer historian, or the drinker? If you ask me, Craft Magic is a Pale Ale, in the modern style. I've no problem with a black IPA, even a red IPA; they're just labels, but I do feel that any IPA really should be pushing past the 5% barrier (so I'm clearly coming down on the side of 'defined by the drinker'!).

If a 'double IPA' comes in at 7 - 9 %, is this one a 'half IPA'?

[Aqualung]

Recently encountered another one, TP (well, kind of). Magic Rock produce a house special for the Craft Beer Co group - they call it Craft Magic and very good it is too; pale & hoppy, just how I like 'em.

But this is where it all gets tricky: it's labelled a 'Session IPA', clocks in at 3.2% and, to me, reignites that old 'just what is an IPA?' question. Is it defined by the brewer? By the beer historian, or the drinker? If you ask me, Craft Magic is a Pale Ale, in the modern style. I've no problem with a black IPA, even a red IPA; they're just labels, but I do feel that any IPA really should be pushing past the 5% barrier (so I'm clearly coming down on the side of 'defined by the drinker'!).

If a 'double IPA' comes in at 7 - 9 %, is this one a 'half IPA'?

I agree that an "IPA" less than 5% is an abuse of the original meaning. GK IPA and Charrington's IPA have (had) nothing to do with the original style of beer. It was simply hijacked by the big / major regional brewers.

The "Craft" tag is being hihacked now by GK who describe their IPA as Handcrafted. Even Thwaites are getting in on the act with a Spoon's beer called Crafty Devil (joke!).

I would like to recommend Brodies' Dalston Black IPA and Hackney Red IPA, sadly they are only now available on Keykeg which means they are cold and expensive.

[london calling]

Recently encountered another one, TP (well, kind of). Magic Rock produce a house special for the Craft Beer Co group - they call it Craft Magic and very good it is too; pale & hoppy, just how I like 'em.

But this is where it all gets tricky: it's labelled a 'Session IPA', clocks in at 3.2% and, to me, reignites that old 'just what is an IPA?' question. Is it defined by the brewer? By the beer historian, or the drinker? If you ask me, Craft Magic is a Pale Ale, in the modern style. I've no problem with a black IPA, even a red IPA; they're just labels, but I do feel that any IPA really should be pushing past the 5% barrier (so I'm clearly coming down on the side of 'defined by the drinker'!).

If a 'double IPA' comes in at 7 - 9 %, is this one a 'half IPA'?

i had this beer a few weeks ago but didnt realise they called it an IPA.pale and hoppy but not an IPA .

[Wittenden]

If a 'double IPA' comes in at 7 - 9 %, is this one a 'half IPA'?

I'm not too worried by labels or ABV, as long as the beer actually tastes of something, and doesn't shrivel the lining of the mouth and throat.Balance! On this note, I'd like to nominate another lower gravity IPA-LocoIPA from The Canterbury Brewers,tried at the wonderful Foundry in that city.3.9ABV, but wonderfully tasty.

[Thuck Phat]

I agree completely with all those views expressed above. Paul and Aqualung, my own view is the same as yours that many brewers producing sub 5%, and especially sub 4%, IPAs are essentially indulging in a fairly cynical marketing exercise in an effort to make nondescript beer seem special. Fortunately, it seems that many brewers are now producing IPAs closer to, what I think of, as the true spirit of the style. As for red and black IPAs, well I guess that the clue is in the name: India Pale Ale but then I'm certainly not going to turn down very good beer just because it's labelled as an IPA and jars with the purist in me. However, I've no wish to re-open that debate and there are many better qualified than I to opine on what is a 'real' IPA.
The previous conclusion to this was essentially, as Wittenden suggests, to categorise the IPAs that people have enjoyed, whatever the strength, as Good and those they haven't as Bad.
Much of the value of the list for me is to note those IPAs which have gone down well and make sure that I try them as and when I see them so maybe the best bet is to include the strength of the IPA, especially if below, say 5%. If I can get my act together, which has never been known before, then I'll try to update the list with the strengths of those IPAs listed.

A&H's F*****g Brilliant

Roosters/Odells - The Accomplice 5.7% (A&H)
Salopian - Kashmir 5.5% (TP)
Marble - Lagonda IPA 5% (TP)
Darkstar - Green Hopped IPA 6.5% (MD)
Blue Monkey - Ape Ale 5.4% (TP)
Oakham - Untouchable IPA 9% (TP)

The Good

Brew Dog - Punk IPA 5.6% Keg
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA 5.9%
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey 6.4%
Acorn - Scorachi IPA 5.5%
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA 5%
Tryst - Raj IPA 5.5%
Moor Pacific IPA (OB)
Kirkstall Dissolution (OB)
Darkstar Green Hopped IPA (PoH)
Penzance Brewing IPA (BF)
Kernels Simcoe IPA (PoH)
Wadsworths Henrys IPA (A1)
Buxton Axe Edge Double IPA (PSM)
Summer Wine Diablo IPA (PSM)
Redemption Big Chief (PSM)
Thornbridge Seaforth IPA (RobC)
Hopdeamon Skrimshander IPA (Wit)
Old Dairy Blue Top (Wit)
Acorn Santiam IPA (O Blue)
Brains IPA (Mil)
Tring XL IPA (Mil)
Fernandes Motueka IPA (A&H)
Summer Wine Kahuna (A&H)
Ilkley Lotus IPA (TP)
Brewdog Hardcore IPA (Sp)
Stone Ruination IPA (Sp)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Sp)
Rat King Rat (Sp)
Orkney Wayfarers IPA (A1)
Marble Dobber (OB)
Oakham Green Devil IPA (O Blue)
Dancing Duck Abduction IPA (Dan B)
Fullers Benghal Lancer (TP)
Red Squirrel Redwood American IPA (BF)
St Austell Cornish IPA (TP)
Ironbridge IPA (OT)
Ridgeside Southern Cross (TP)
Off Beat Out of Step IPA (TP)
RCH Hewish IPA (MD)
Thwaites Indus IPA (MD)
The Kernel Citra IPA (Sp)
Beavertown 8 Ball Rye IPA (BF)
Whitehorse Saracen IPA (MD)
Sharps Atlantic IPA (MD)
Wantsun IPA (OT)
Clun Citadel (OT)
Tiny Rebel Urban IPA (OT)
Harviestoun Wild Hop IPA (O Blue)
Sunny Republic Hop Dog (PSM)
Yeovil Posh IPA (PSM)
Elland Big Dog IPA (OT)
Acorn Calypso IPA (OT)
Lincoln Green Sheriffs IPA (A1)
Navigation Classic IPA (A1)
Old Dairy Hop Top Double (RPA)
Great Heck Yakima IPA (A&H)
St Austell Proper Job (MD)
Pheonix West Coast IPA (TP)
Acorn Millenium IPA (TP)
Redwillow Shameless IPA (TP)
Magic Rock - Craft Magic 3.2% (PoH)
Brodies - Dalston Black IPA Keykeg (Aqua)
Brodies - Hackney Red IPA Keykeg (Aqua)
Canterbury - Loco IPA 3.9% (Wit)

The Bad

Greene King - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
Brains - IPA
Wells - Eagle IPA
McMullen's IPA (BF)
Tring XL IPA (TP)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Wit)
Phipps NBC India Pale Ale (TP)
Holts IPA (A&H)
St Austell Podium IPA (TP)
GK IPA Gold (MD)

The Nostalgic

Charringtons IPA (ND)

Oh well, I've made a start.

[Mobyduck]

I agree completely with all those views expressed above. Paul and Aqualung, my own view is the same as yours that many brewers producing sub 5%, and especially sub 4%, IPAs are essentially indulging in a fairly cynical marketing exercise in an effort to make nondescript beer seem special. Fortunately, it seems that many brewers are now producing IPAs closer to, what I think of, as the true spirit of the style. As for red and black IPAs, well I guess that the clue is in the name: India Pale Ale but then I'm certainly not going to turn down very good beer just because it's labelled as an IPA and jars with the purist in me. However, I've no wish to re-open that debate and there are many better qualified than I to opine on what is a 'real' IPA.
The previous conclusion to this was essentially, as Wittenden suggests, to categorise the IPAs that people have enjoyed, whatever the strength, as Good and those they haven't as Bad.
Much of the value of the list for me is to note those IPAs which have gone down well and make sure that I try them as and when I see them so maybe the best bet is to include the strength of the IPA, especially if below, say 5%. If I can get my act together, which has never been known before, then I'll try to update the list with the strengths of those IPAs listed.

A&H's F*****g Brilliant

Roosters/Odells - The Accomplice 5.7% (A&H)
Salopian - Kashmir 5.5% (TP)
Marble - Lagonda IPA 5% (TP)
Darkstar - Green Hopped IPA 6.5% (MD)
Blue Monkey - Ape Ale 5.4% (TP)
Oakham - Untouchable IPA 9% (TP)

The Good

Brew Dog - Punk IPA 5.6% Keg
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA 5.9%
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey 6.4%
Acorn - Scorachi IPA 5.5%
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA 5%
Tryst - Raj IPA 5.5%
Moor Pacific IPA (OB)
Kirkstall Dissolution (OB)
Darkstar Green Hopped IPA (PoH)
Penzance Brewing IPA (BF)
Kernels Simcoe IPA (PoH)
Wadsworths Henrys IPA (A1)
Buxton Axe Edge Double IPA (PSM)
Summer Wine Diablo IPA (PSM)
Redemption Big Chief (PSM)
Thornbridge Seaforth IPA (RobC)
Hopdeamon Skrimshander IPA (Wit)
Old Dairy Blue Top (Wit)
Acorn Santiam IPA (O Blue)
Brains IPA (Mil)
Tring XL IPA (Mil)
Fernandes Motueka IPA (A&H)
Summer Wine Kahuna (A&H)
Ilkley Lotus IPA (TP)
Brewdog Hardcore IPA (Sp)
Stone Ruination IPA (Sp)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Sp)
Rat King Rat (Sp)
Orkney Wayfarers IPA (A1)
Marble Dobber (OB)
Oakham Green Devil IPA (O Blue)
Dancing Duck Abduction IPA (Dan B)
Fullers Benghal Lancer (TP)
Red Squirrel Redwood American IPA (BF)
St Austell Cornish IPA (TP)
Ironbridge IPA (OT)
Ridgeside Southern Cross (TP)
Off Beat Out of Step IPA (TP)
RCH Hewish IPA (MD)
Thwaites Indus IPA (MD)
The Kernel Citra IPA (Sp)
Beavertown 8 Ball Rye IPA (BF)
Whitehorse Saracen IPA (MD)
Sharps Atlantic IPA (MD)
Wantsun IPA (OT)
Clun Citadel (OT)
Tiny Rebel Urban IPA (OT)
Harviestoun Wild Hop IPA (O Blue)
Sunny Republic Hop Dog (PSM)
Yeovil Posh IPA (PSM)
Elland Big Dog IPA (OT)
Acorn Calypso IPA (OT)
Lincoln Green Sheriffs IPA (A1)
Navigation Classic IPA (A1)
Old Dairy Hop Top Double (RPA)
Great Heck Yakima IPA (A&H)
St Austell Proper Job (MD)
Pheonix West Coast IPA (TP)
Acorn Millenium IPA (TP)
Redwillow Shameless IPA (TP)
Magic Rock - Craft Magic 3.2% (PoH)
Brodies - Dalston Black IPA Keykeg (Aqua)
Brodies - Hackney Red IPA Keykeg (Aqua)
Canterbury - Loco IPA 3.9% (Wit)

The Bad

Greene King - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
Brains - IPA
Wells - Eagle IPA
McMullen's IPA (BF)
Tring XL IPA (TP)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Wit)
Phipps NBC India Pale Ale (TP)
Holts IPA (A&H)
St Austell Podium IPA (TP)
GK IPA Gold (MD)

The Nostalgic

Charringtons IPA (ND)

Oh well, I've made a start.

Its interesting to note the weakest IPA on A&H's F*****g Brilliant category is 5%,that speaks volumes(Alcoholic Volumes).

[Mobyduck]

Tried a new IPA to me yesterday Darkstar Belgian IPA (http://www.alesbymail.co.uk/shop/pick-n-mix-beer/dark-star-belgian-ipa),they've done it again,only available in bottles as far as I know weighing in at a fairly hefty 7.2% it tastes its strength but is easy drinking which is always a danger,best drunk slightly chilled a definite one for the good list.

[Thuck Phat]

Speaking of bottled, I tried a Williams Brother Caesar Augustus from Sainsburys. Billed as a lager/IPA hybrid it tastes just that - a lager with some light hops chucked. Not one for the purists but a prefectly acceptable thirst quencher at 4.1%.

A&H's F*****g Brilliant

Roosters/Odells - The Accomplice 5.7% (A&H)
Salopian - Kashmir 5.5% (TP)
Marble - Lagonda IPA 5% (TP)
Darkstar - Green Hopped IPA 6.5% (MD)
Blue Monkey - Ape Ale 5.4% (TP)
Oakham - Untouchable IPA 9% (TP)

The Good

Brew Dog - Punk IPA 5.6% Keg
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA 5.9%
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey 6.4%
Acorn - Scorachi IPA 5.5%
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA 5%
Tryst - Raj IPA 5.5%
Moor Pacific IPA (OB)
Kirkstall Dissolution (OB)
Darkstar Green Hopped IPA (PoH)
Penzance Brewing IPA (BF)
Kernels Simcoe IPA (PoH)
Wadsworths Henrys IPA (A1)
Buxton Axe Edge Double IPA (PSM)
Summer Wine Diablo IPA (PSM)
Redemption Big Chief (PSM)
Thornbridge Seaforth IPA (RobC)
Hopdeamon Skrimshander IPA (Wit)
Old Dairy Blue Top (Wit)
Acorn Santiam IPA (O Blue)
Brains IPA (Mil)
Tring XL IPA (Mil)
Fernandes Motueka IPA (A&H)
Summer Wine Kahuna (A&H)
Ilkley Lotus IPA (TP)
Brewdog Hardcore IPA (Sp)
Stone Ruination IPA (Sp)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Sp)
Rat King Rat (Sp)
Orkney Wayfarers IPA (A1)
Marble Dobber (OB)
Oakham Green Devil IPA (O Blue)
Dancing Duck Abduction IPA (Dan B)
Fullers Benghal Lancer (TP)
Red Squirrel Redwood American IPA (BF)
St Austell Cornish IPA (TP)
Ironbridge IPA (OT)
Ridgeside Southern Cross (TP)
Off Beat Out of Step IPA (TP)
RCH Hewish IPA (MD)
Thwaites Indus IPA (MD)
The Kernel Citra IPA (Sp)
Beavertown 8 Ball Rye IPA (BF)
Whitehorse Saracen IPA (MD)
Sharps Atlantic IPA (MD)
Wantsun IPA (OT)
Clun Citadel (OT)
Tiny Rebel Urban IPA (OT)
Harviestoun Wild Hop IPA (O Blue)
Sunny Republic Hop Dog (PSM)
Yeovil Posh IPA (PSM)
Elland Big Dog IPA (OT)
Acorn Calypso IPA (OT)
Lincoln Green Sheriffs IPA (A1)
Navigation Classic IPA (A1)
Old Dairy Hop Top Double (RPA)
Great Heck Yakima IPA (A&H)
St Austell Proper Job (MD)
Pheonix West Coast IPA (TP)
Acorn Millenium IPA (TP)
Redwillow Shameless IPA (TP)
Magic Rock - Craft Magic 3.2% (PoH)
Brodies - Dalston Black IPA Keykeg (Aqua)
Brodies - Hackney Red IPA Keykeg (Aqua)
Canterbury - Loco IPA 3.9% (Wit)
Darkstar - Belgian IPA Bottled 7.2% (MD)
Williams - Caesar Augustus Bottled 4.1% (TP)

The Bad

Greene King - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
Brains - IPA
Wells - Eagle IPA
McMullen's IPA (BF)
Tring XL IPA (TP)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Wit)
Phipps NBC India Pale Ale (TP)
Holts IPA (A&H)
St Austell Podium IPA (TP)
GK IPA Gold (MD)

The Nostalgic

Charringtons IPA (ND)

[Pubsignman]

Darkstar Belgian IPA (http://www.alesbymail.co.uk/shop/pick-n-mix-beer/dark-star-belgian-ipa),only available in bottles as far as I know.

I've tried the cask version here - Swan Inn (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/39534/)

Agree, it's well worth adding to the 'good' list.

[Mobyduck]

I've tried the cask version here - Swan Inn (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/39534/)

Agree, it's well worth adding to the 'good' list.
Good to know its available in cask, I will look out for it.

[Mobyduck]

Just had a pint of Brains IPA, I see its already in the bad section which is exactly where I was going to suggest it went, at 3.4% not an IPA and worse no real taste to it. Why do people brew bland beers like this ? A candidate for Boring Brown Beer.

[Mobyduck]

Just had a pint of Mordue IPA, 5.1% golden and citrus , Tangerine? may not be to everyone's taste but I found it to be bloody good , not quite F*****G Brilliant maybe but it is a must for the good list.

[Thuck Phat]

A&H's F*****g Brilliant

Roosters/Odells - The Accomplice 5.7% (A&H)
Salopian - Kashmir 5.5% (TP)
Marble - Lagonda IPA 5% (TP)
Darkstar - Green Hopped IPA 6.5% (MD)
Blue Monkey - Ape Ale 5.4% (TP)
Oakham - Untouchable IPA 9% (TP)

The Good

Brew Dog - Punk IPA 5.6% Keg
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA 5.9%
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey 6.4%
Acorn - Scorachi IPA 5.5%
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA 5%
Tryst - Raj IPA 5.5%
Moor Pacific IPA (OB)
Kirkstall Dissolution (OB)
Darkstar Green Hopped IPA (PoH)
Penzance Brewing IPA (BF)
Kernels Simcoe IPA (PoH)
Wadsworths Henrys IPA (A1)
Buxton Axe Edge Double IPA (PSM)
Summer Wine Diablo IPA (PSM)
Redemption Big Chief (PSM)
Thornbridge Seaforth IPA (RobC)
Hopdeamon Skrimshander IPA (Wit)
Old Dairy Blue Top (Wit)
Acorn Santiam IPA (O Blue)
Brains IPA (Mil)
Tring XL IPA (Mil)
Fernandes Motueka IPA (A&H)
Summer Wine Kahuna (A&H)
Ilkley Lotus IPA (TP)
Brewdog Hardcore IPA (Sp)
Stone Ruination IPA (Sp)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Sp)
Rat King Rat (Sp)
Orkney Wayfarers IPA (A1)
Marble Dobber (OB)
Oakham Green Devil IPA (O Blue)
Dancing Duck Abduction IPA (Dan B)
Fullers Benghal Lancer (TP)
Red Squirrel Redwood American IPA (BF)
St Austell Cornish IPA (TP)
Ironbridge IPA (OT)
Ridgeside Southern Cross (TP)
Off Beat Out of Step IPA (TP)
RCH Hewish IPA (MD)
Thwaites Indus IPA (MD)
The Kernel Citra IPA (Sp)
Beavertown 8 Ball Rye IPA (BF)
Whitehorse Saracen IPA (MD)
Sharps Atlantic IPA (MD)
Wantsun IPA (OT)
Clun Citadel (OT)
Tiny Rebel Urban IPA (OT)
Harviestoun Wild Hop IPA (O Blue)
Sunny Republic Hop Dog (PSM)
Yeovil Posh IPA (PSM)
Elland Big Dog IPA (OT)
Acorn Calypso IPA (OT)
Lincoln Green Sheriffs IPA (A1)
Navigation Classic IPA (A1)
Old Dairy Hop Top Double (RPA)
Great Heck Yakima IPA (A&H)
St Austell Proper Job (MD)
Pheonix West Coast IPA (TP)
Acorn Millenium IPA (TP)
Redwillow Shameless IPA (TP)
Magic Rock - Craft Magic 3.2% (PoH)
Brodies - Dalston Black IPA Keykeg (Aqua)
Brodies - Hackney Red IPA Keykeg (Aqua)
Canterbury - Loco IPA 3.9% (Wit)
Darkstar - Belgian IPA Bottled 7.2% (MD)
Williams - Caesar Augustus Bottled 4.1% (TP)
Mordue IPA 5.1% (MD)

The Bad

Greene King - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
Brains - IPA
Wells - Eagle IPA
McMullen's IPA (BF)
Tring XL IPA (TP)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Wit)
Phipps NBC India Pale Ale (TP)
Holts IPA (A&H)
St Austell Podium IPA (TP)
GK IPA Gold (MD)

The Nostalgic

Charringtons IPA (ND)

[aleandhearty]

Had another belter from Fernandes last night, sampled in 'headquarters' (aka The Fernandes Tap). West Coast IPA 6.3% was all grapefruit on the nose, with a rich, smooth mouthfeel. Delicious and dangerously drinkable. Definitely at the top end of the 'good' category.

[Mobyduck]

Surrey Hills Greensand IPA, a relatively low ABV at 4.6% but it punches well above its weight, its a hop monster and very very good.

[AlanH]

The Red Willow Shameless IPA in the Bridge End at Ruabon last night, must go down as my beer of the year so far. I considered it drinking heaven.
I would elevate it far above the "good".
At £3 for a 5.9% beer was also excellent value!

[ROBCamra]

The Red Willow Shameless IPA in the Bridge End at Ruabon last night, must go down as my beer of the year so far. I considered it drinking heaven.
I would elevate it far above the "good".
At £3 for a 5.9% beer was also excellent value!

Red Willow Shameless IPA was £2.95 in The Baum last night. Although I wasn't as taken with it as you, I still thought it was a very good beer.

The last two CAMRA POTY's serving the same beer on the same day at roughly the same price and both excellent quality.

I wonder why they're POTY? :p

[london calling]

Red Willow Shameless IPA was £2.95 in The Baum last night. Although I wasn't as taken with it as you, I still thought it was a very good beer.

The last two CAMRA POTY's serving the same beer on the same day at roughly the same price and both excellent quality.

I wonder why they're POTY? :p

the same beer was £4.20 in the Slaughtered Lamb Clerkenwell on wed.RIP OFF ? Sorry that should have been £4.60 THE Wreckless was £4.20

[Thuck Phat]

I liked the Red Willow Shameless when I tried it at The Treacle Tap (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/74159/) in Macc. Great micro pub, great beer.

Another one from me which goes into the Good category, Tryst Carronade IPA. Given it's only 4.2% I wouldn't normally consider it a 'proper' IPA but Tryst have managed to pack a lot of flavour and I enjoyed it.

A&H's F*****g Brilliant

Roosters/Odells - The Accomplice 5.7% (A&H)
Salopian - Kashmir 5.5% (TP)
Marble - Lagonda IPA 5% (TP)
Darkstar - Green Hopped IPA 6.5% (MD)
Blue Monkey - Ape Ale 5.4% (TP)
Oakham - Untouchable IPA 9% (TP)

The Good

Brew Dog - Punk IPA 5.6% Keg
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA 5.9%
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey 6.4%
Acorn - Scorachi IPA 5.5%
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA 5%
Tryst - Raj IPA 5.5%
Moor Pacific IPA (OB)
Kirkstall Dissolution (OB)
Darkstar Green Hopped IPA (PoH)
Penzance Brewing IPA (BF)
Kernels Simcoe IPA (PoH)
Wadsworths Henrys IPA (A1)
Buxton Axe Edge Double IPA (PSM)
Summer Wine Diablo IPA (PSM)
Redemption Big Chief (PSM)
Thornbridge Seaforth IPA (RobC)
Hopdeamon Skrimshander IPA (Wit)
Old Dairy Blue Top (Wit)
Acorn Santiam IPA (O Blue)
Brains IPA (Mil)
Tring XL IPA (Mil)
Fernandes Motueka IPA (A&H)
Summer Wine Kahuna (A&H)
Ilkley Lotus IPA (TP)
Brewdog Hardcore IPA (Sp)
Stone Ruination IPA (Sp)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Sp)
Rat King Rat (Sp)
Orkney Wayfarers IPA (A1)
Marble Dobber (OB)
Oakham Green Devil IPA (O Blue)
Dancing Duck Abduction IPA (Dan B)
Fullers Benghal Lancer (TP)
Red Squirrel Redwood American IPA (BF)
St Austell Cornish IPA (TP)
Ironbridge IPA (OT)
Ridgeside Southern Cross (TP)
Off Beat Out of Step IPA (TP)
RCH Hewish IPA (MD)
Thwaites Indus IPA (MD)
The Kernel Citra IPA (Sp)
Beavertown 8 Ball Rye IPA (BF)
Whitehorse Saracen IPA (MD)
Sharps Atlantic IPA (MD)
Wantsun IPA (OT)
Clun Citadel (OT)
Tiny Rebel Urban IPA (OT)
Harviestoun Wild Hop IPA (O Blue)
Sunny Republic Hop Dog (PSM)
Yeovil Posh IPA (PSM)
Elland Big Dog IPA (OT)
Acorn Calypso IPA (OT)
Lincoln Green Sheriffs IPA (A1)
Navigation Classic IPA (A1)
Old Dairy Hop Top Double (RPA)
Great Heck Yakima IPA (A&H)
St Austell Proper Job (MD)
Pheonix West Coast IPA (TP)
Acorn Millenium IPA (TP)
Redwillow Shameless IPA (TP)
Magic Rock - Craft Magic 3.2% (PoH)
Brodies - Dalston Black IPA Keykeg (Aqua)
Brodies - Hackney Red IPA Keykeg (Aqua)
Canterbury - Loco IPA 3.9% (Wit)
Darkstar - Belgian IPA Bottled 7.2% (MD)
Williams - Caesar Augustus Bottled 4.1% (TP)
Mordue IPA 5.1% (MD)
West Coast IPA 6.3% (A&H)
Surrey Hills - Greensand IPA 4.6% (MD)
Tryst - Carronade IPA 4.2% (TP)

The Bad

Greene King - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
Brains - IPA
Wells - Eagle IPA
McMullen's IPA (BF)
Tring XL IPA (TP)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Wit)
Phipps NBC India Pale Ale (TP)
Holts IPA (A&H)
St Austell Podium IPA (TP)
GK IPA Gold (MD)

The Nostalgic

Charringtons IPA (ND)

[Aqualung]

I would like to add the Kent Brewery's Enigma Black IPA to the list of good having tried it on two seperate occasions in the Walthamstow Bell. I couldn't find Magic Rock's High Wire on the list. I've had this a few times and it was BF's BOTW last week. It's described as a "West Coast Pale Ale" which to me puts it firmly within this category.

The Acorn Barnsley IPA was very good at the recent Spoon's Festival but is it a one-off or a rebadged existing one?
Maybe it should not be included.

[Mobyduck]

Milk Street Gulp IPA ,worthy of adding to the good list, clean and easy drinking, brewed with Fuggles and Goldings Hops , 4.8% .

[Thuck Phat]

A new one from me for the Good by the generally reliable Acorn. Sybilla IPA, bang in the trad IPA mould and easily drinkable at 5%.

The updated list:

A&H's F*****g Brilliant

Roosters/Odells - The Accomplice 5.7% (A&H)
Salopian - Kashmir 5.5% (TP)
Marble - Lagonda IPA 5% (TP)
Darkstar - Green Hopped IPA 6.5% (MD)
Blue Monkey - Ape Ale 5.4% (TP)
Oakham - Untouchable IPA 9% (TP)

The Good

Brew Dog - Punk IPA 5.6% Keg
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA 5.9%
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey 6.4%
Acorn - Scorachi IPA 5.5%
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA 5%
Tryst - Raj IPA 5.5%
Moor Pacific IPA (OB)
Kirkstall Dissolution (OB)
Darkstar Green Hopped IPA (PoH)
Penzance Brewing IPA (BF)
Kernels Simcoe IPA (PoH)
Wadsworths Henrys IPA (A1)
Buxton Axe Edge Double IPA (PSM)
Summer Wine Diablo IPA (PSM)
Redemption Big Chief (PSM)
Thornbridge Seaforth IPA (RobC)
Hopdeamon Skrimshander IPA (Wit)
Old Dairy Blue Top (Wit)
Acorn Santiam IPA (O Blue)
Brains IPA (Mil)
Tring XL IPA (Mil)
Fernandes Motueka IPA (A&H)
Summer Wine Kahuna (A&H)
Ilkley Lotus IPA (TP)
Brewdog Hardcore IPA (Sp)
Stone Ruination IPA (Sp)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Sp)
Rat King Rat (Sp)
Orkney Wayfarers IPA (A1)
Marble Dobber (OB)
Oakham Green Devil IPA (O Blue)
Dancing Duck Abduction IPA (Dan B)
Fullers Benghal Lancer (TP)
Red Squirrel Redwood American IPA (BF)
St Austell Cornish IPA (TP)
Ironbridge IPA (OT)
Ridgeside Southern Cross (TP)
Off Beat Out of Step IPA (TP)
RCH Hewish IPA (MD)
Thwaites Indus IPA (MD)
The Kernel Citra IPA (Sp)
Beavertown 8 Ball Rye IPA (BF)
Whitehorse Saracen IPA (MD)
Sharps Atlantic IPA (MD)
Wantsun IPA (OT)
Clun Citadel (OT)
Tiny Rebel Urban IPA (OT)
Harviestoun Wild Hop IPA (O Blue)
Sunny Republic Hop Dog (PSM)
Yeovil Posh IPA (PSM)
Elland Big Dog IPA (OT)
Acorn Calypso IPA (OT)
Lincoln Green Sheriffs IPA (A1)
Navigation Classic IPA (A1)
Old Dairy Hop Top Double (RPA)
Great Heck Yakima IPA (A&H)
St Austell Proper Job (MD)
Pheonix West Coast IPA (TP)
Acorn Millenium IPA (TP)
Redwillow Shameless IPA (TP)
Magic Rock - Craft Magic 3.2% (PoH)
Brodies - Dalston Black IPA Keykeg (Aqua)
Brodies - Hackney Red IPA Keykeg (Aqua)
Canterbury - Loco IPA 3.9% (Wit)
Darkstar - Belgian IPA Bottled 7.2% (MD)
Williams - Caesar Augustus Bottled 4.1% (TP)
Mordue IPA 5.1% (MD)
West Coast IPA 6.3% (A&H)
Surrey Hills - Greensand IPA 4.6% (MD)
Tryst - Carronade IPA 4.2% (TP)
Kent Brewery - Enigma Black IPA 5.5% (AL)
Milk Street - Gulp IPA 4.8% (MD)
Acorn - Sybilla IPA 5% (TP)

The Bad

Greene King - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
Brains - IPA
Wells - Eagle IPA
McMullen's IPA (BF)
Tring XL IPA (TP)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Wit)
Phipps NBC India Pale Ale (TP)
Holts IPA (A&H)
St Austell Podium IPA (TP)
GK IPA Gold (MD)

The Nostalgic

Charringtons IPA (ND)

[Mobyduck]

Andwell - Red IPA, not a brewery I particularly like though very "Locale" to me ,I find most of their brews rather bland and non-discript ,however tried this and found it very hoppy and flavoursome despite being only 4.3% or was it 4.6% ? Anyway it was a decent drop so worthy of entry into the good list.

[Aqualung]

I had forgotten all about this list, I would add to the good Conwy Riptide (a low ABV Black IPA), Windsor & Eton Conqueror Black IPA, Clarence & Frederick IPA, London Fields Shoreditch Triangle IPA and Acorn Barnsley IPA (I think they made this for the last Spoons fest so I'm not sure if it would count).

Apologies if any of these are already listed!

[Thuck Phat]

Andwell - Red IPA, not a brewery I particularly like though very "Locale" to me ,I find most of their brews rather bland and non-discript ,however tried this and found it very hoppy and flavoursome despite being only 4.3% or was it 4.6% ? Anyway it was a decent drop so worthy of entry into the good list.

I had some of that last week and enjoyed it. 4.5% as I remember.

The updated list:

A&H's F*****g Brilliant

Roosters/Odells - The Accomplice 5.7% (A&H)
Salopian - Kashmir 5.5% (TP)
Marble - Lagonda IPA 5% (TP)
Darkstar - Green Hopped IPA 6.5% (MD)
Blue Monkey - Ape Ale 5.4% (TP)
Oakham - Untouchable IPA 9% (TP)

The Good

Brew Dog - Punk IPA 5.6% Keg
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA 5.9%
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey 6.4%
Acorn - Scorachi IPA 5.5%
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA 5%
Tryst - Raj IPA 5.5%
Moor Pacific IPA (OB)
Kirkstall Dissolution (OB)
Darkstar Green Hopped IPA (PoH)
Penzance Brewing IPA (BF)
Kernels Simcoe IPA (PoH)
Wadsworths Henrys IPA (A1)
Buxton Axe Edge Double IPA (PSM)
Summer Wine Diablo IPA (PSM)
Redemption Big Chief (PSM)
Thornbridge Seaforth IPA (RobC)
Hopdeamon Skrimshander IPA (Wit)
Old Dairy Blue Top (Wit)
Acorn Santiam IPA (O Blue)
Brains IPA (Mil)
Tring XL IPA (Mil)
Fernandes Motueka IPA (A&H)
Summer Wine Kahuna (A&H)
Ilkley Lotus IPA (TP)
Brewdog Hardcore IPA (Sp)
Stone Ruination IPA (Sp)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Sp)
Rat King Rat (Sp)
Orkney Wayfarers IPA (A1)
Marble Dobber (OB)
Oakham Green Devil IPA (O Blue)
Dancing Duck Abduction IPA (Dan B)
Fullers Benghal Lancer (TP)
Red Squirrel Redwood American IPA (BF)
St Austell Cornish IPA (TP)
Ironbridge IPA (OT)
Ridgeside Southern Cross (TP)
Off Beat Out of Step IPA (TP)
RCH Hewish IPA (MD)
Thwaites Indus IPA (MD)
The Kernel Citra IPA (Sp)
Beavertown 8 Ball Rye IPA (BF)
Whitehorse Saracen IPA (MD)
Sharps Atlantic IPA (MD)
Wantsun IPA (OT)
Clun Citadel (OT)
Tiny Rebel Urban IPA (OT)
Harviestoun Wild Hop IPA (O Blue)
Sunny Republic Hop Dog (PSM)
Yeovil Posh IPA (PSM)
Elland Big Dog IPA (OT)
Acorn Calypso IPA (OT)
Lincoln Green Sheriffs IPA (A1)
Navigation Classic IPA (A1)
Old Dairy Hop Top Double (RPA)
Great Heck Yakima IPA (A&H)
St Austell Proper Job (MD)
Pheonix West Coast IPA (TP)
Acorn Millenium IPA (TP)
Redwillow Shameless IPA (TP)
Magic Rock - Craft Magic 3.2% (PoH)
Brodies - Dalston Black IPA Keykeg (Aqua)
Brodies - Hackney Red IPA Keykeg (Aqua)
Canterbury - Loco IPA 3.9% (Wit)
Darkstar - Belgian IPA Bottled 7.2% (MD)
Williams - Caesar Augustus Bottled 4.1% (TP)
Mordue IPA 5.1% (MD)
West Coast IPA 6.3% (A&H)
Surrey Hills - Greensand IPA 4.6% (MD)
Tryst - Carronade IPA 4.2% (TP)
Kent Brewery - Enigma Black IPA 5.5% (Aqua)
Milk Street - Gulp IPA 4.8% (MD)
Acorn - Sybilla IPA 5% (TP)
Andwell - Red IPA 4.5% (MD)
Conwy - Riptide (Aqua)
Windor & Eton - Conqueror Black IPA (Aqua)
Clarence & Frederick IPA (Aqua)
London Fields - Shoreditch Triangle IPA (Aqua)
Acorn - Barnsley IPA (Aqua)



The Bad

Greene King - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
Brains - IPA
Wells - Eagle IPA
McMullen's IPA (BF)
Tring XL IPA (TP)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Wit)
Phipps NBC India Pale Ale (TP)
Holts IPA (A&H)
St Austell Podium IPA (TP)
GK IPA Gold (MD)

The Nostalgic

Charringtons IPA (ND)

[Pubsignman]

The Gun (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/25164/) on the Isle of Dogs is having an IPA festival on 13th-15th September. The beer list looks almost as good as the one we've assembled above.

http://www.thegundocklands.com/index.php/calendar/ale-festival-sept/

[Aqualung]

The Gun (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/25164/) on the Isle of Dogs is having an IPA festival on 13th-15th September. The beer list looks almost as good as the one we've assembled above.

http://www.thegundocklands.com/index.php/calendar/ale-festival-sept/

In that case I would add both of these to the Good:-

Siren Craft Brew - Sound Wave West Coast IPA
Siren Craft Brew - Liquid Mistress West Coast Red IPA

I didn't realise when I tried them that they were "officially" IPAs.

[Mobyduck]

The Gun (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/25164/) on the Isle of Dogs is having an IPA festival on 13th-15th September. The beer list looks almost as good as the one we've assembled above.

http://www.thegundocklands.com/index.php/calendar/ale-festival-sept/
That sounds cracking, I fly back from Spain on the 13th, will I have any money left on the 14th is the question.

[london calling]

The Gun (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/25164/) on the Isle of Dogs is having an IPA festival on 13th-15th September. The beer list looks almost as good as the one we've assembled above.

http://www.thegundocklands.com/index.php/calendar/ale-festival-sept/

That's a great ipa list from a pub that has been on my must try list.Its a bit out of the way but might just make the effort now.

[Aqualung]

The Gun (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/25164/) on the Isle of Dogs is having an IPA festival on 13th-15th September. The beer list looks almost as good as the one we've assembled above.

http://www.thegundocklands.com/index.php/calendar/ale-festival-sept/

It looks like the beers are going to be served on gravity in a "covered garden". Unless the weather changes dramatically then unless they use effective cooling systems the beer is going to be warm, not good for this style of beer.

The £10 Special Advance Ticket gives you three halfs and an item from the barbecue, which would seem to be all high quality sausages.

[Wittenden]

I'm probably showing my ignorance, and will not be allowed to visit a beer blog again, but what's the difference between a (New style) IPA and an American Pale Ale? Both have that tooth enamel removing quality that has suddenly become popular. I had a reasonable APA from Hop Fuzz of West Hythe the other day. Grapefruit, that sort of thing.

[Aqualung]

I'm probably showing my ignorance, and will not be allowed to visit a beer blog again, but what's the difference between a (New style) IPA and an American Pale Ale? Both have that tooth enamel removing quality that has suddenly become popular. I had a reasonable APA from Hop Fuzz of West Hythe the other day. Grapefruit, that sort of thing.

This is something I have pondered and given the vagueness of the IPA tag I honestly believe there is no difference other than presumably APAs are made with American Hops. I'm happy to be corrected on this but APAs are simply a result of the exploding craft beer scene in the USA. They are based on the original IPA premise of a strong heavily hopped beer that will survive a long ship journey.

Many of the new "craft" brewers deliver their wares in a sweaty Transit Van, which I suspect has caused problems during this warm summer.

[london calling]

This is something I have pondered and given the vagueness of the IPA tag I honestly believe there is no difference other than presumably APAs are made with American Hops. I'm happy to be corrected on this but APAs are simply a result of the exploding craft beer scene in the USA. They are based on the original IPA premise of a strong heavily hopped beer that will survive a long ship journey.

Many of the new "craft" brewers deliver their wares in a sweaty Transit Van, which I suspect has caused problems during this warm summer.

If the craft beer is delivered in kegs you have no problems its that real ale stuff you have to worry about.

[Wittenden]

If the craft beer is delivered in kegs you have no problems its that real ale stuff you have to worry about.
If it comes in kegs I won't drink it!

[london calling]

I'm probably showing my ignorance, and will not be allowed to visit a beer blog again, but what's the difference between a (New style) IPA and an American Pale Ale? Both have that tooth enamel removing quality that has suddenly become popular. I had a reasonable APA from Hop Fuzz of West Hythe the other day. Grapefruit, that sort of thing.

They are more or less the same thing. American pale ale must have only American hops in it .Ipa,s are heavily hopped .Any hop will do but if you only use American hops its really an American pale.But the brewer can call it what he wants. Its only if you enter it into a International beer contest that it would be put in a specific category.Or so I think

[Aqualung]

If the craft beer is delivered in kegs you have no problems its that real ale stuff you have to worry about.

I can't agree with that unless it's full blown filtered and pasteurised keg. The unpasteurised keykeg stuff will still get a big kicking by being left in a hot place for a long time.

[Al 10000]

If the craft beer is delivered in kegs you have no problems its that real ale stuff you have to worry about.

In nearly all of my pub visits over the years i rarely get a bad half,i must be very lucky or more that likely dont know as much about beer as most on this site.

If we have to worry about real ales and not keg crap,the big brewers should bring back craft Worthington E and craft Watneys red barrel and they could charge £8.00 a pint,i think they are missing a trick here.

[Aqualung]

In nearly all of my pub visits over the years i rarely get a bad half,i must be very lucky or more that likely dont know as much about beer as most on this site.

If we have to worry about real ales and not keg crap,the big brewers should bring back craft Worthington E and craft Watneys red barrel and they could charge £8.00 a pint,i think they are missing a trick here.

Have you never had the first one out of the pump when it comes out really warm? I have on many occasions and to me that is a bad pint.

Spoons get around it in most of their pubs by surrounding the lines leading up to the bar in a cooling jacket which is also why some people complain about Spoons serving beer too cold. I would rather have it too cold than luke warm, especially with the hot weather we've had this year.
I've also had far more beers than normal not at their best this summer which I put down to the heat as well as some that are on the turn and one that was completely rank that I had to send back (in a GBG Spoons).

Another thing is that the weather in London tends to be much warmer during hot weather than even the Home Counties, let alone the Midlands and the frozen North.

You can't really compare the likes of the keg beer from the sixties and seventies or even the modern equivalent which is all lager or smoothflow with the new keg stuff. Those beers would have been rubbish even if they were produced for cask. I agree it can be a rip-off but I was happy to pay £6 for a pint of Mikkeler's 18.9% Big Worster last Friday even though I did end up overcooking my dinner afterwards.

The King William keykeg prices are rising to rip-off levels soon, so my keykeg tasting days are nearly over.

[london calling]

I can't agree with that unless it's full blown filtered and pasteurised keg. The unpasteurised keykeg stuff will still get a big kicking by being left in a hot place for a long time.

As there is no yeast in key kegs they are much less affected by heat than cask beer.

[london calling]

In nearly all of my pub visits over the years i rarely get a bad half,i must be very lucky or more that likely dont know as much about beer as most on this site.

If we have to worry about real ales and not keg crap,the big brewers should bring back craft Worthington E and craft Watneys red barrel and they could charge £8.00 a pint,i think they are missing a trick here.

I get lots of iffy beers more so this summer than in the past.Went into the Goat -Fulwell last night for a meal.Only one beer on Goat dark bitter. Staff were unable to tell me who brewed it but gave me a large taster.Warm vinegar was my reply to the barmaid query as to what I thought.Pint of Loewenbrau -pilsner was pure quality.

[london calling]

If it comes in kegs I won't drink it!

Iam not fussed in what container it comes in but excess carbonation does bother me.

[Aqualung]

As there is no yeast in key kegs they are much less affected by heat than cask beer.

I'm afraid that isn't the case. In theory filtering the beer and pasteurising (ie boiling!) it is the only way to eliminate yeast and that is beyond the capabilities of most microbreweries. If it is pasteurised and there is no gas pressure then it will come up as flat as a pancake.

I don't know what different procedure is carried out for doing keykeg stuff rather than cask, but I can find out tomorrow if I still have any sort of coherence when I get to the William from the George in Croydon.

Even the global abomination's rubbish will build up gunk (mainly yeast) in the lines if they are never cleaned.

I would suggest that not giving beer lines a deep clean often enough is the main cause of indifferent beer in pubs that have a decent throughput of beer.

Another thing that can kill a barrel of real ale is a cellar that is too cold. I remember visiting the Fuller's Clapton Anchor and Hope on a bitterly cold night and the ESB came up like Engine Oil. I assume then that they relied on the cellar's position under the pub by the canal to achieve cellar temperature, but does any modern cellar actually include temperature control to warm it up?

Are none of the correspondents former publicans that can confirm this? I'm certainly not!

[Thuck Phat]

I hope that those who make to The Gun have a good one, it does look an interesting list.

I'll be seeking out new IPA's on the waterways in the company of Mr Fastard and crew.

The updated list:

The updated list:

A&H's F*****g Brilliant

Roosters/Odells - The Accomplice 5.7% (A&H)
Salopian - Kashmir 5.5% (TP)
Marble - Lagonda IPA 5% (TP)
Darkstar - Green Hopped IPA 6.5% (MD)
Blue Monkey - Ape Ale 5.4% (TP)
Oakham - Untouchable IPA 9% (TP)

The Good

Brew Dog - Punk IPA 5.6% Keg
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA 5.9%
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey 6.4%
Acorn - Scorachi IPA 5.5%
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA 5%
Tryst - Raj IPA 5.5%
Moor Pacific IPA (OB)
Kirkstall Dissolution (OB)
Darkstar Green Hopped IPA (PoH)
Penzance Brewing IPA (BF)
Kernels Simcoe IPA (PoH)
Wadsworths Henrys IPA (A1)
Buxton Axe Edge Double IPA (PSM)
Summer Wine Diablo IPA (PSM)
Redemption Big Chief (PSM)
Thornbridge Seaforth IPA (RobC)
Hopdeamon Skrimshander IPA (Wit)
Old Dairy Blue Top (Wit)
Acorn Santiam IPA (O Blue)
Brains IPA (Mil)
Tring XL IPA (Mil)
Fernandes Motueka IPA (A&H)
Summer Wine Kahuna (A&H)
Ilkley Lotus IPA (TP)
Brewdog Hardcore IPA (Sp)
Stone Ruination IPA (Sp)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Sp)
Rat King Rat (Sp)
Orkney Wayfarers IPA (A1)
Marble Dobber (OB)
Oakham Green Devil IPA (O Blue)
Dancing Duck Abduction IPA (Dan B)
Fullers Benghal Lancer (TP)
Red Squirrel Redwood American IPA (BF)
St Austell Cornish IPA (TP)
Ironbridge IPA (OT)
Ridgeside Southern Cross (TP)
Off Beat Out of Step IPA (TP)
RCH Hewish IPA (MD)
Thwaites Indus IPA (MD)
The Kernel Citra IPA (Sp)
Beavertown 8 Ball Rye IPA (BF)
Whitehorse Saracen IPA (MD)
Sharps Atlantic IPA (MD)
Wantsun IPA (OT)
Clun Citadel (OT)
Tiny Rebel Urban IPA (OT)
Harviestoun Wild Hop IPA (O Blue)
Sunny Republic Hop Dog (PSM)
Yeovil Posh IPA (PSM)
Elland Big Dog IPA (OT)
Acorn Calypso IPA (OT)
Lincoln Green Sheriffs IPA (A1)
Navigation Classic IPA (A1)
Old Dairy Hop Top Double (RPA)
Great Heck Yakima IPA (A&H)
St Austell Proper Job (MD)
Pheonix West Coast IPA (TP)
Acorn Millenium IPA (TP)
Redwillow Shameless IPA (TP)
Magic Rock - Craft Magic 3.2% (PoH)
Brodies - Dalston Black IPA Keykeg (Aqua)
Brodies - Hackney Red IPA Keykeg (Aqua)
Canterbury - Loco IPA 3.9% (Wit)
Darkstar - Belgian IPA Bottled 7.2% (MD)
Williams - Caesar Augustus Bottled 4.1% (TP)
Mordue IPA 5.1% (MD)
West Coast IPA 6.3% (A&H)
Surrey Hills - Greensand IPA 4.6% (MD)
Tryst - Carronade IPA 4.2% (TP)
Kent Brewery - Enigma Black IPA 5.5% (AL)
Milk Street - Gulp IPA 4.8% (MD)
Acorn - Sybilla IPA 5% (TP)
Siren Craft Brew - Sound Wave West Coast IPA (Aqua)
Siren Craft Brew - Liquid Mistress West Coast Red IPA (Aqua) - Great name

The Bad

Greene King - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
Brains - IPA
Wells - Eagle IPA
McMullen's IPA (BF)
Tring XL IPA (TP)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Wit)
Phipps NBC India Pale Ale (TP)
Holts IPA (A&H)
St Austell Podium IPA (TP)
GK IPA Gold (MD)

The Nostalgic

Charringtons IPA (ND)

[Aqualung]

I hope that those who make to The Gun have a good one, it does look an interesting list.



Well Said! I definitely Won't be there and hope that anyone who does go doesn't leave disappointed or feeling they have been fleeced.

[london calling]

I'm afraid that isn't the case. In theory filtering the beer and pasteurising (ie boiling!) it is the only way to eliminate yeast and that is beyond the capabilities of most microbreweries. If it is pasteurised and there is no gas pressure then it will come up as flat as a pancake.

I don't know what different procedure is carried out for doing keykeg stuff rather than cask, but I can find out tomorrow if I still have any sort of coherence when I get to the William from the George in Croydon.

Even the global abomination's rubbish will build up gunk (mainly yeast) in the lines if they are never cleaned.

I would suggest that not giving beer lines a deep clean often enough is the main cause of indifferent beer in pubs that have a decent throughput of beer.

Another thing that can kill a barrel of real ale is a cellar that is too cold. I remember visiting the Fuller's Clapton Anchor and Hope on a bitterly cold night and the ESB came up like Engine Oil. I assume then that they relied on the cellar's position under the pub by the canal to achieve cellar temperature, but does any modern cellar actually include temperature control to warm it up?

Are none of the correspondents former publicans that can confirm this? I'm certainly not!

Kegs and key kegs have the yeast filtered out. Camra tested key kegs at last years gbbf but could find little or no yeast in the beers.Thus no key kegs at GBBF.I doubt if any of the new wave brewers would pasteurise the beer.

[Thuck Phat]

Another new one from me: Black Jack Royal Flush, brewed by a former Marble brewer and my word he's done a good job. An incredibly flavourful traditional IPA style beer at 5%. Easily at the top end of good and I suspect with 3 or 4 pints would make it into A&H's F*****g Brilliant. Sadly, I only had two so Good it is.

The updated list:

A&H's F*****g Brilliant

Roosters/Odells - The Accomplice 5.7% (A&H)
Salopian - Kashmir 5.5% (TP)
Marble - Lagonda IPA 5% (TP)
Darkstar - Green Hopped IPA 6.5% (MD)
Blue Monkey - Ape Ale 5.4% (TP)
Oakham - Untouchable IPA 9% (TP)

The Good

Brew Dog - Punk IPA 5.6% Keg
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA 5.9%
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey 6.4%
Acorn - Scorachi IPA 5.5%
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA 5%
Tryst - Raj IPA 5.5%
Moor Pacific IPA (OB)
Kirkstall Dissolution (OB)
Darkstar Green Hopped IPA (PoH)
Penzance Brewing IPA (BF)
Kernels Simcoe IPA (PoH)
Wadsworths Henrys IPA (A1)
Buxton Axe Edge Double IPA (PSM)
Summer Wine Diablo IPA (PSM)
Redemption Big Chief (PSM)
Thornbridge Seaforth IPA (RobC)
Hopdeamon Skrimshander IPA (Wit)
Old Dairy Blue Top (Wit)
Acorn Santiam IPA (O Blue)
Brains IPA (Mil)
Tring XL IPA (Mil)
Fernandes Motueka IPA (A&H)
Summer Wine Kahuna (A&H)
Ilkley Lotus IPA (TP)
Brewdog Hardcore IPA (Sp)
Stone Ruination IPA (Sp)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Sp)
Rat King Rat (Sp)
Orkney Wayfarers IPA (A1)
Marble Dobber (OB)
Oakham Green Devil IPA (O Blue)
Dancing Duck Abduction IPA (Dan B)
Fullers Benghal Lancer (TP)
Red Squirrel Redwood American IPA (BF)
St Austell Cornish IPA (TP)
Ironbridge IPA (OT)
Ridgeside Southern Cross (TP)
Off Beat Out of Step IPA (TP)
RCH Hewish IPA (MD)
Thwaites Indus IPA (MD)
The Kernel Citra IPA (Sp)
Beavertown 8 Ball Rye IPA (BF)
Whitehorse Saracen IPA (MD)
Sharps Atlantic IPA (MD)
Wantsun IPA (OT)
Clun Citadel (OT)
Tiny Rebel Urban IPA (OT)
Harviestoun Wild Hop IPA (O Blue)
Sunny Republic Hop Dog (PSM)
Yeovil Posh IPA (PSM)
Elland Big Dog IPA (OT)
Acorn Calypso IPA (OT)
Lincoln Green Sheriffs IPA (A1)
Navigation Classic IPA (A1)
Old Dairy Hop Top Double (RPA)
Great Heck Yakima IPA (A&H)
St Austell Proper Job (MD)
Pheonix West Coast IPA (TP)
Acorn Millenium IPA (TP)
Redwillow Shameless IPA (TP)
Magic Rock - Craft Magic 3.2% (PoH)
Brodies - Dalston Black IPA Keykeg (Aqua)
Brodies - Hackney Red IPA Keykeg (Aqua)
Canterbury - Loco IPA 3.9% (Wit)
Darkstar - Belgian IPA Bottled 7.2% (MD)
Williams - Caesar Augustus Bottled 4.1% (TP)
Mordue IPA 5.1% (MD)
West Coast IPA 6.3% (A&H)
Surrey Hills - Greensand IPA 4.6% (MD)
Tryst - Carronade IPA 4.2% (TP)
Kent Brewery - Enigma Black IPA 5.5% (AL)
Milk Street - Gulp IPA 4.8% (MD)
Acorn - Sybilla IPA 5% (TP)
Siren Craft Brew - Sound Wave West Coast IPA (Aqua)
Siren Craft Brew - Liquid Mistress West Coast Red IPA (Aqua) - Great name
Black Jack - Royal Flush 5% (TP)

The Bad

Greene King - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
Brains - IPA
Wells - Eagle IPA
McMullen's IPA (BF)
Tring XL IPA (TP)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Wit)
Phipps NBC India Pale Ale (TP)
Holts IPA (A&H)
St Austell Podium IPA (TP)
GK IPA Gold (MD)

The Nostalgic

Charringtons IPA (ND)

[Aqualung]

These three seem to have gone missing from the latest list :-

Windsor & Eton - Conqueror Black IPA (Aqua)
Clarence & Frederick IPA (Aqua)
London Fields - Shoreditch Triangle IPA (Aqua)

Surely Darkstar American Pale Ale is an IPA? I doubt if many would call it anything less than good. The Adnam's / Sixpoint Bengali Tiger IPA in Spoons this month I thought was outstanding, but it is only a one off and I also thought the Wadworth / Chelsea Sunset Red was good, certainly the best Wadworth's brew I've had in many years, possibly ever.

[Mobyduck]

These three seem to have gone missing from the latest list :-

Windsor & Eton - Conqueror Black IPA (Aqua)
Clarence & Frederick IPA (Aqua)
London Fields - Shoreditch Triangle IPA (Aqua)

Surely Darkstar American Pale Ale is an IPA? I doubt if many would call it anything less than good. The Adnam's / Sixpoint Bengali Tiger IPA in Spoons this month I thought was outstanding, but it is only a one off and I also thought the Wadworth / Chelsea Sunset Red was good, certainly the best Wadworth's brew I've had in many years, possibly ever.
So has the Andwell Red IPA .

[london calling]

Well Said! I definitely Won't be there and hope that anyone who does go doesn't leave disappointed or feeling they have been fleeced.

Up to £9 a pint apparently but they did do 1/3 measures. Still a bit too much.

[Thuck Phat]

Whoops - apologies, they've now been reinstated.

The updated list:

A&H's F*****g Brilliant

Roosters/Odells - The Accomplice 5.7% (A&H)
Salopian - Kashmir 5.5% (TP)
Marble - Lagonda IPA 5% (TP)
Darkstar - Green Hopped IPA 6.5% (MD)
Blue Monkey - Ape Ale 5.4% (TP)
Oakham - Untouchable IPA 9% (TP)

The Good

Brew Dog - Punk IPA 5.6% Keg
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA 5.9%
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey 6.4%
Acorn - Scorachi IPA 5.5%
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA 5%
Tryst - Raj IPA 5.5%
Moor Pacific IPA (OB)
Kirkstall Dissolution (OB)
Darkstar Green Hopped IPA (PoH)
Penzance Brewing IPA (BF)
Kernels Simcoe IPA (PoH)
Wadsworths Henrys IPA (A1)
Buxton Axe Edge Double IPA (PSM)
Summer Wine Diablo IPA (PSM)
Redemption Big Chief (PSM)
Thornbridge Seaforth IPA (RobC)
Hopdeamon Skrimshander IPA (Wit)
Old Dairy Blue Top (Wit)
Acorn Santiam IPA (O Blue)
Brains IPA (Mil)
Tring XL IPA (Mil)
Fernandes Motueka IPA (A&H)
Summer Wine Kahuna (A&H)
Ilkley Lotus IPA (TP)
Brewdog Hardcore IPA (Sp)
Stone Ruination IPA (Sp)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Sp)
Rat King Rat (Sp)
Orkney Wayfarers IPA (A1)
Marble Dobber (OB)
Oakham Green Devil IPA (O Blue)
Dancing Duck Abduction IPA (Dan B)
Fullers Benghal Lancer (TP)
Red Squirrel Redwood American IPA (BF)
St Austell Cornish IPA (TP)
Ironbridge IPA (OT)
Ridgeside Southern Cross (TP)
Off Beat Out of Step IPA (TP)
RCH Hewish IPA (MD)
Thwaites Indus IPA (MD)
The Kernel Citra IPA (Sp)
Beavertown 8 Ball Rye IPA (BF)
Whitehorse Saracen IPA (MD)
Sharps Atlantic IPA (MD)
Wantsun IPA (OT)
Clun Citadel (OT)
Tiny Rebel Urban IPA (OT)
Harviestoun Wild Hop IPA (O Blue)
Sunny Republic Hop Dog (PSM)
Yeovil Posh IPA (PSM)
Elland Big Dog IPA (OT)
Acorn Calypso IPA (OT)
Lincoln Green Sheriffs IPA (A1)
Navigation Classic IPA (A1)
Old Dairy Hop Top Double (RPA)
Great Heck Yakima IPA (A&H)
St Austell Proper Job (MD)
Pheonix West Coast IPA (TP)
Acorn Millenium IPA (TP)
Redwillow Shameless IPA (TP)
Magic Rock - Craft Magic 3.2% (PoH)
Brodies - Dalston Black IPA Keykeg (Aqua)
Brodies - Hackney Red IPA Keykeg (Aqua)
Canterbury - Loco IPA 3.9% (Wit)
Darkstar - Belgian IPA Bottled 7.2% (MD)
Williams - Caesar Augustus Bottled 4.1% (TP)
Mordue IPA 5.1% (MD)
West Coast IPA 6.3% (A&H)
Surrey Hills - Greensand IPA 4.6% (MD)
Tryst - Carronade IPA 4.2% (TP)
Kent Brewery - Enigma Black IPA 5.5% (AL)
Milk Street - Gulp IPA 4.8% (MD)
Acorn - Sybilla IPA 5% (TP)
Andwell - Red IPA 4.5% (MD)
Conwy - Riptide (Aqua)
Windor & Eton - Conqueror Black IPA (Aqua)
Clarence & Frederick IPA (Aqua)
London Fields - Shoreditch Triangle IPA (Aqua)
Acorn - Barnsley IPA (Aqua)
Siren Craft Brew - Sound Wave West Coast IPA (Aqua)
Siren Craft Brew - Liquid Mistress West Coast Red IPA (Aqua) - Great name
Black Jack - Royal Flush 5% (TP)

The Bad

Greene King - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
Brains - IPA
Wells - Eagle IPA
McMullen's IPA (BF)
Tring XL IPA (TP)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Wit)
Phipps NBC India Pale Ale (TP)
Holts IPA (A&H)
St Austell Podium IPA (TP)
GK IPA Gold (MD)

The Nostalgic

Charringtons IPA (ND)

[trainman]

Up to £9 a pint apparently but they did do 1/3 measures. Still a bit too much.
Mostly £5-£6 ppint. Best abv (achohol-by-value) was a 6.8% bizarrely priced at £4 ppint.
I spotted a Marble collaberation and bought a third for £3.50, making it £10.50pp, my most expensive ever, but if I'd had the sense to have a half at £4, that would have brought the pint price down to a mere (:() £8!
Lots were failing the aesthetics which should accompany clear beer - the guy said it had all been stilled for 3 days but lots of the beers were unfined, hmmm... Those tried tasted good, to be fair, and should do at that price.
I failed to make it home with the list/price-list, sorry.

[trainman]

938
Seems i did have it...

[london calling]

938
Seems i did have it...

Those are even by London standards ridiculous prices.

[Aqualung]

Those are even by London standards ridiculous prices.

My concerns about this festival seem to have been justified. I've had the two "proper" Siren brews in the William more than once and they also had the Half Mast on last week, all at the standard guest price of £2.60. I had the W&E Black IPA on my only visit to the Harp for around £3.60 and I bet it was in better nick there. In actual fact it couldn't have been better in the Gun as it was perfect in the Harp. I also stumbled into it earlier in the year in a NW London Spoons where it was an outstanding pint.

[london calling]

My concerns about this festival seem to have been justified. I've had the two "proper" Siren brews in the William more than once and they also had the Half Mast on last week, all at the standard guest price of £2.60. I had the W&E Black IPA on my only visit to the Harp for around £3.60 and I bet it was in better nick there. In actual fact it couldn't have been better in the Gun as it was perfect in the Harp. I also stumbled into it earlier in the year in a NW London Spoons where it was an outstanding pint.

I hope the William iv has not racked up the prices for tomorrow nights IPA fest.

[Mobyduck]

Darkstar Indian Summer IPA - 6% .Drunk in the Harp today, a true IPA , no gimmicks just smooth strong and authentic , definitely good.

[PaulOfHorsham]

Darkstar Indian Summer IPA - 6%

The September special and pretty much gone already - the last cask is selling out fast in the brewery shop. Word is, though, that the Green Hop is going to be pretty special again this year (and only 6 days to go till tapping!).

[Aqualung]

I hope the William iv has not racked up the prices for tomorrow nights IPA fest.

I believe this is going to be all or predominately keykeg so I won't be bothering with it as the prices WILL be racked up. After the massive keykeg price hike on stronger beers I'm sticking to cask.

[Aqualung]

I would like to add Triple fff Jabberwocky Black IPA to the good. This has become my favourite style of beer and it was in immaculate nick at the Spoons Regent in Walton on Thames.

[Thuck Phat]

Warwickshire Beer Company Ballstitcher IPA made BABOTW for me and was dreadful at 5%. Definitely Bad.

The updated list:

A&H's F*****g Brilliant

Roosters/Odells - The Accomplice 5.7% (A&H)
Salopian - Kashmir 5.5% (TP)
Marble - Lagonda IPA 5% (TP)
Darkstar - Green Hopped IPA 6.5% (MD)
Blue Monkey - Ape Ale 5.4% (TP)
Oakham - Untouchable IPA 9% (TP)

The Good

Brew Dog - Punk IPA 5.6% Keg
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA 5.9%
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey 6.4%
Acorn - Scorachi IPA 5.5%
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA 5%
Tryst - Raj IPA 5.5%
Moor Pacific IPA (OB)
Kirkstall Dissolution (OB)
Darkstar Green Hopped IPA (PoH)
Penzance Brewing IPA (BF)
Kernels Simcoe IPA (PoH)
Wadsworths Henrys IPA (A1)
Buxton Axe Edge Double IPA (PSM)
Summer Wine Diablo IPA (PSM)
Redemption Big Chief (PSM)
Thornbridge Seaforth IPA (RobC)
Hopdeamon Skrimshander IPA (Wit)
Old Dairy Blue Top (Wit)
Acorn Santiam IPA (O Blue)
Brains IPA (Mil)
Tring XL IPA (Mil)
Fernandes Motueka IPA (A&H)
Summer Wine Kahuna (A&H)
Ilkley Lotus IPA (TP)
Brewdog Hardcore IPA (Sp)
Stone Ruination IPA (Sp)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Sp)
Rat King Rat (Sp)
Orkney Wayfarers IPA (A1)
Marble Dobber (OB)
Oakham Green Devil IPA (O Blue)
Dancing Duck Abduction IPA (Dan B)
Fullers Benghal Lancer (TP)
Red Squirrel Redwood American IPA (BF)
St Austell Cornish IPA (TP)
Ironbridge IPA (OT)
Ridgeside Southern Cross (TP)
Off Beat Out of Step IPA (TP)
RCH Hewish IPA (MD)
Thwaites Indus IPA (MD)
The Kernel Citra IPA (Sp)
Beavertown 8 Ball Rye IPA (BF)
Whitehorse Saracen IPA (MD)
Sharps Atlantic IPA (MD)
Wantsun IPA (OT)
Clun Citadel (OT)
Tiny Rebel Urban IPA (OT)
Harviestoun Wild Hop IPA (O Blue)
Sunny Republic Hop Dog (PSM)
Yeovil Posh IPA (PSM)
Elland Big Dog IPA (OT)
Acorn Calypso IPA (OT)
Lincoln Green Sheriffs IPA (A1)
Navigation Classic IPA (A1)
Old Dairy Hop Top Double (RPA)
Great Heck Yakima IPA (A&H)
St Austell Proper Job (MD)
Pheonix West Coast IPA (TP)
Acorn Millenium IPA (TP)
Redwillow Shameless IPA (TP)
Magic Rock - Craft Magic 3.2% (PoH)
Brodies - Dalston Black IPA Keykeg (Aqua)
Brodies - Hackney Red IPA Keykeg (Aqua)
Canterbury - Loco IPA 3.9% (Wit)
Darkstar - Belgian IPA Bottled 7.2% (MD)
Williams - Caesar Augustus Bottled 4.1% (TP)
Mordue IPA 5.1% (MD)
West Coast IPA 6.3% (A&H)
Surrey Hills - Greensand IPA 4.6% (MD)
Tryst - Carronade IPA 4.2% (TP)
Kent Brewery - Enigma Black IPA 5.5% (AL)
Milk Street - Gulp IPA 4.8% (MD)
Acorn - Sybilla IPA 5% (TP)
Andwell - Red IPA 4.5% (MD)
Conwy - Riptide (Aqua)
Windor & Eton - Conqueror Black IPA (Aqua)
Clarence & Frederick IPA (Aqua)
London Fields - Shoreditch Triangle IPA (Aqua)
Acorn - Barnsley IPA (Aqua)
Siren Craft Brew - Sound Wave West Coast IPA (Aqua)
Siren Craft Brew - Liquid Mistress West Coast Red IPA (Aqua) - Great name
Black Jack - Royal Flush 5% (TP)
Darkstar - Indian Summer IPA 6% (MD)
Triple fff - Jabberwocky Black IPA 5% (Aqua)

The Bad

Greene King - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
Brains - IPA
Wells - Eagle IPA
McMullen's IPA (BF)
Tring XL IPA (TP)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Wit)
Phipps NBC India Pale Ale (TP)
Holts IPA (A&H)
St Austell Podium IPA (TP)
GK IPA Gold (MD)
Warwickshire Beer Company - Ballsitcher IPA - 5% (TP)

The Nostalgic

Charringtons IPA (ND)

[Thuck Phat]

Tried on the back of OB's BOTW recommendation and straight into Good: Roosters Anniversary IPA - 6% and complex but very drinkable.

[Mobyduck]

Two IPA's tried in the Nags Head (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/1691/) yesterday-
Pixie Spring - Prince of Bengal IPA 5.5% good.
Siren Craft - Ryezing Tide IPA 7.4% ,this was F*****g Brilliant.

[Aqualung]

Pixie Spring - Prince of Bengal IPA 5.5% good.


I've had this one in the William and the clip there said it was Hopcraft. I don't know what the setup is exactly but they seem to be operating under both names. All I know for sure is that they brew at Pontyclun. All the beers I've seen in the William have been badged as Hopcraft.
They claim to have brewed 25 different beers since starting last June, so the bloke at Beermad won't be happy, although that site doesn't mention either name.

[Mobyduck]

I've had this one in the William and the clip there said it was Hopcraft. I don't know what the setup is exactly but they seem to be operating under both names. All I know for sure is that they brew at Pontyclun. All the beers I've seen in the William have been badged as Hopcraft.
They claim to have brewed 25 different beers since starting last June, so the bloke at Beermad won't be happy, although that site doesn't mention either name.
yes I noticed that, they seem to have collaborated on several beers, I also had 3 Hopcraft beers yesterday, all were good.

[trainman]

I tried a half of the intriguingly named 'Black and White IPA' from By the Horns at CASK on Thurs.
Nope, it wasn't cryogenically split, Heston style, into differently coloured halves of the glass, and the white could only be related to the off-white head, which didn't last long.
I don't know which of the listed categories it belongs to - I suppose there was some initial hoppiness (and, I thought, blackcurrant?) but mostly reminded me of a roasted Porter. Interesting and varying descriptions on ratebeer (http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/by-the-horns-black-and-white-ipa/219473/).

[london calling]

I've had this one in the William and the clip there said it was Hopcraft. I don't know what the setup is exactly but they seem to be operating under both names. All I know for sure is that they brew at Pontyclun. All the beers I've seen in the William have been badged as Hopcraft.
They claim to have brewed 25 different beers since starting last June, so the bloke at Beermad won't be happy, although that site doesn't mention either name.

The brewery is Pixie Spring but they also brew beers under the Hopcraft brand. One of the brewers was (and still is presumably) brewing as Steelcity as they brewed a collaboration beer this week at Fullers.Whether as Pixie Spring,Hopcraft or Steelcity their beers are worth looking out for assuming you like hops.
I think Beermad now only records regularly brewed beers as there were too many beers to keep up with so its of limited use now but was once the place to find new beers.

[Aqualung]

The brewery is Pixie Spring but they also brew beers under the Hopcraft brand. One of the brewers was (and still is presumably) brewing as Steelcity as they brewed a collaboration beer this week at Fullers.Whether as Pixie Spring,Hopcraft or Steelcity their beers are worth looking out for assuming you like hops.
I think Beermad now only records regularly brewed beers as there were too many beers to keep up with so its of limited use now but was once the place to find new beers.

Thanks for the clarification, I suspected you would have an answer! The last Hopcraft one I had was in the William after returning from a hefty Spoons Fest crawl so I managed to do little else than record the name. Other ones prior to that were superb.

I don't understand why they have the two brands, do you know why? If I had to choose between the two names I would go for Hopcraft.

[aleandhearty]

I don't understand why they have the two brands, do you know why?

I suspect one brand is viewed as more experimental than the other. There are precedents for this. The original Roosters used the Outlaw brand for its more left field beers and Abbeydale still uses Dr Mortons.

[london calling]

I suspect one brand is viewed as more experimental than the other. There are precedents for this. The original Roosters used the Outlaw brand for its more left field beers and Abbeydale still uses Dr Mortons.

Correct.Still its confusing as I was told all Hopcraft beers would state brewed at Pixie Spring at the bottom of the pump clip. Looking up Ratebeer I see that Pixie Spring brewed that beer in Sep 2012 and now its brewed by Hopcraft.Same beer .same strength different brewers.Not right. There are 5 Hopcraft beers on at Egham on Thursday I will check the pumpclips if I remember.

[Mobyduck]

As described in the Bloody Awful Beer Of The Week thread Three Tuns -Clerics Cure most certainly bad in my book.In fact downright ugly.

[Thuck Phat]

Another winner from Blue Monkey - Monkey. Brewed in celebration of their 5000th brew (I think it was 5000) and described by them as an IPA. Excellent at 5%, less dangerous than Ape Ale (5.4%) but less depth of flavour as well hence not quite into A&H's F*****g Brilliant.

A&H's F*****g Brilliant

Roosters/Odells - The Accomplice 5.7% (A&H)
Salopian - Kashmir 5.5% (TP)
Marble - Lagonda IPA 5% (TP)
Darkstar - Green Hopped IPA 6.5% (MD)
Blue Monkey - Ape Ale 5.4% (TP)
Oakham - Untouchable IPA 9% (TP)
Siren Craft - Ryezing Tide IPA 7.4% (MD)

The Good

Brew Dog - Punk IPA 5.6% Keg
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA 5.9%
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey 6.4%
Acorn - Scorachi IPA 5.5%
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA 5%
Tryst - Raj IPA 5.5%
Moor Pacific IPA (OB)
Kirkstall Dissolution (OB)
Darkstar Green Hopped IPA (PoH)
Penzance Brewing IPA (BF)
Kernels Simcoe IPA (PoH)
Wadsworths Henrys IPA (A1)
Buxton Axe Edge Double IPA (PSM)
Summer Wine Diablo IPA (PSM)
Redemption Big Chief (PSM)
Thornbridge Seaforth IPA (RobC)
Hopdeamon Skrimshander IPA (Wit)
Old Dairy Blue Top (Wit)
Acorn Santiam IPA (O Blue)
Brains IPA (Mil)
Tring XL IPA (Mil)
Fernandes Motueka IPA (A&H)
Summer Wine Kahuna (A&H)
Ilkley Lotus IPA (TP)
Brewdog Hardcore IPA (Sp)
Stone Ruination IPA (Sp)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Sp)
Rat King Rat (Sp)
Orkney Wayfarers IPA (A1)
Marble Dobber (OB)
Oakham Green Devil IPA (O Blue)
Dancing Duck Abduction IPA (Dan B)
Fullers Benghal Lancer (TP)
Red Squirrel Redwood American IPA (BF)
St Austell Cornish IPA (TP)
Ironbridge IPA (OT)
Ridgeside Southern Cross (TP)
Off Beat Out of Step IPA (TP)
RCH Hewish IPA (MD)
Thwaites Indus IPA (MD)
The Kernel Citra IPA (Sp)
Beavertown 8 Ball Rye IPA (BF)
Whitehorse Saracen IPA (MD)
Sharps Atlantic IPA (MD)
Wantsun IPA (OT)
Clun Citadel (OT)
Tiny Rebel Urban IPA (OT)
Harviestoun Wild Hop IPA (O Blue)
Sunny Republic Hop Dog (PSM)
Yeovil Posh IPA (PSM)
Elland Big Dog IPA (OT)
Acorn Calypso IPA (OT)
Lincoln Green Sheriffs IPA (A1)
Navigation Classic IPA (A1)
Old Dairy Hop Top Double (RPA)
Great Heck Yakima IPA (A&H)
St Austell Proper Job (MD)
Pheonix West Coast IPA (TP)
Acorn Millenium IPA (TP)
Redwillow Shameless IPA (TP)
Magic Rock - Craft Magic 3.2% (PoH)
Brodies - Dalston Black IPA Keykeg (Aqua)
Brodies - Hackney Red IPA Keykeg (Aqua)
Canterbury - Loco IPA 3.9% (Wit)
Darkstar - Belgian IPA Bottled 7.2% (MD)
Williams - Caesar Augustus Bottled 4.1% (TP)
Mordue IPA 5.1% (MD)
West Coast IPA 6.3% (A&H)
Surrey Hills - Greensand IPA 4.6% (MD)
Tryst - Carronade IPA 4.2% (TP)
Kent Brewery - Enigma Black IPA 5.5% (AL)
Milk Street - Gulp IPA 4.8% (MD)
Acorn - Sybilla IPA 5% (TP)
Andwell - Red IPA 4.5% (MD)
Conwy - Riptide (Aqua)
Windor & Eton - Conqueror Black IPA (Aqua)
Clarence & Frederick IPA (Aqua)
London Fields - Shoreditch Triangle IPA (Aqua)
Acorn - Barnsley IPA (Aqua)
Siren Craft Brew - Sound Wave West Coast IPA (Aqua)
Siren Craft Brew - Liquid Mistress West Coast Red IPA (Aqua) - Great name
Black Jack - Royal Flush 5% (TP)
Darkstar - Indian Summer IPA 6% (MD)
Triple fff - Jabberwocky Black IPA 5% (Aqua)
Roosters - Anniversary IPA 6% (TP)
Pixie Spring - Prince of Bengal IPA 5.5% (MD)

The Bad

Greene King - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
Brains - IPA
Wells - Eagle IPA
McMullen's IPA (BF)
Tring XL IPA (TP)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Wit)
Phipps NBC India Pale Ale (TP)
Holts IPA (A&H)
St Austell Podium IPA (TP)
GK IPA Gold (MD)
Warwickshire Beer Company - Ballsitcher IPA - 5% (TP)

The Nostalgic

Charringtons IPA (ND)

The Unclassified

By The Horns - Black and White IPA (TM)

[Thuck Phat]

Downton - Endeavour IPA 10%. With reference to the previous pages discussion on brewery's second brands, I believe that Downton is Hop Back's 'experimental brewery'.
Endeavour is described as an Australian hopped double IPA. I don't really know what a double IPA is but I do know that Endeavour is F******g Brilliant.

A&H's F*****g Brilliant

Roosters/Odells - The Accomplice 5.7% (A&H)
Salopian - Kashmir 5.5% (TP)
Marble - Lagonda IPA 5% (TP)
Darkstar - Green Hopped IPA 6.5% (MD)
Blue Monkey - Ape Ale 5.4% (TP)
Oakham - Untouchable IPA 9% (TP)
Siren Craft - Ryezing Tide IPA 7.4% (MD)
Downton - Endeavour IPA 10% (TP)

The Good

Brew Dog - Punk IPA 5.6% Keg
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA 5.9%
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey 6.4%
Acorn - Scorachi IPA 5.5%
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA 5%
Tryst - Raj IPA 5.5%
Moor Pacific IPA (OB)
Kirkstall Dissolution (OB)
Darkstar Green Hopped IPA (PoH)
Penzance Brewing IPA (BF)
Kernels Simcoe IPA (PoH)
Wadsworths Henrys IPA (A1)
Buxton Axe Edge Double IPA (PSM)
Summer Wine Diablo IPA (PSM)
Redemption Big Chief (PSM)
Thornbridge Seaforth IPA (RobC)
Hopdeamon Skrimshander IPA (Wit)
Old Dairy Blue Top (Wit)
Acorn Santiam IPA (O Blue)
Brains IPA (Mil)
Tring XL IPA (Mil)
Fernandes Motueka IPA (A&H)
Summer Wine Kahuna (A&H)
Ilkley Lotus IPA (TP)
Brewdog Hardcore IPA (Sp)
Stone Ruination IPA (Sp)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Sp)
Rat King Rat (Sp)
Orkney Wayfarers IPA (A1)
Marble Dobber (OB)
Oakham Green Devil IPA (O Blue)
Dancing Duck Abduction IPA (Dan B)
Fullers Benghal Lancer (TP)
Red Squirrel Redwood American IPA (BF)
St Austell Cornish IPA (TP)
Ironbridge IPA (OT)
Ridgeside Southern Cross (TP)
Off Beat Out of Step IPA (TP)
RCH Hewish IPA (MD)
Thwaites Indus IPA (MD)
The Kernel Citra IPA (Sp)
Beavertown 8 Ball Rye IPA (BF)
Whitehorse Saracen IPA (MD)
Sharps Atlantic IPA (MD)
Wantsun IPA (OT)
Clun Citadel (OT)
Tiny Rebel Urban IPA (OT)
Harviestoun Wild Hop IPA (O Blue)
Sunny Republic Hop Dog (PSM)
Yeovil Posh IPA (PSM)
Elland Big Dog IPA (OT)
Acorn Calypso IPA (OT)
Lincoln Green Sheriffs IPA (A1)
Navigation Classic IPA (A1)
Old Dairy Hop Top Double (RPA)
Great Heck Yakima IPA (A&H)
St Austell Proper Job (MD)
Pheonix West Coast IPA (TP)
Acorn Millenium IPA (TP)
Redwillow Shameless IPA (TP)
Magic Rock - Craft Magic 3.2% (PoH)
Brodies - Dalston Black IPA Keykeg (Aqua)
Brodies - Hackney Red IPA Keykeg (Aqua)
Canterbury - Loco IPA 3.9% (Wit)
Darkstar - Belgian IPA Bottled 7.2% (MD)
Williams - Caesar Augustus Bottled 4.1% (TP)
Mordue IPA 5.1% (MD)
West Coast IPA 6.3% (A&H)
Surrey Hills - Greensand IPA 4.6% (MD)
Tryst - Carronade IPA 4.2% (TP)
Kent Brewery - Enigma Black IPA 5.5% (AL)
Milk Street - Gulp IPA 4.8% (MD)
Acorn - Sybilla IPA 5% (TP)
Andwell - Red IPA 4.5% (MD)
Conwy - Riptide (Aqua)
Windor & Eton - Conqueror Black IPA (Aqua)
Clarence & Frederick IPA (Aqua)
London Fields - Shoreditch Triangle IPA (Aqua)
Acorn - Barnsley IPA (Aqua)
Siren Craft Brew - Sound Wave West Coast IPA (Aqua)
Siren Craft Brew - Liquid Mistress West Coast Red IPA (Aqua) - Great name
Black Jack - Royal Flush 5% (TP)
Darkstar - Indian Summer IPA 6% (MD)
Triple fff - Jabberwocky Black IPA 5% (Aqua)
Roosters - Anniversary IPA 6% (TP)
Pixie Spring - Prince of Bengal IPA 5.5% (MD)

The Bad

Greene King - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
Brains - IPA
Wells - Eagle IPA
McMullen's IPA (BF)
Tring XL IPA (TP)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Wit)
Phipps NBC India Pale Ale (TP)
Holts IPA (A&H)
St Austell Podium IPA (TP)
GK IPA Gold (MD)
Warwickshire Beer Company - Ballsitcher IPA - 5% (TP)

The Nostalgic

Charringtons IPA (ND)

The Unclassified

By The Horns - Black and White IPA (TM)

[oldboots]

Downton - Endeavour IPA 10%. With reference to the previous pages discussion on brewery's second brands, I believe that Downton is Hop Back's 'experimental brewery'.


The GBG and other CAMRA sources suggest not but they are on the same industrial estate and Beermad (http://www.beermad.org.uk/brewery/1444) says of Downton "Adjacent to Hop Back brewery and the two companies co-operate quite a bit. Even the Downton website points at Hop Back's. They claim to be separate businesses though."

[Thuck Phat]

The GBG and other CAMRA sources suggest not but they are on the same industrial estate and Beermad (http://www.beermad.org.uk/brewery/1444) says of Downton "Adjacent to Hop Back brewery and the two companies co-operate quite a bit. Even the Downton website points at Hop Back's. They claim to be separate businesses though."

A landlord who takes their beer reasonably regularly told me that they were linked but it was a passing comment rather than a detailed explanation. Their website (http://www.hopback.co.uk/beer-shop/downton-real-ale.html) links, proximity and the nature of Downton's beers all pointed that way so I took it on trust. Interesting that the breweries deny any link and perhaps there isn't one now.

Link or no link, Downton are certainly brewing some interesting and drinkable ales.

[Bucking Fastard]

I would like to promote Ilkley Lotus IPA to a&h's f*****g brilliant list as both the main man and I thought this was outstanding in The Botanist on the Leeds crawl yesterday

[oldboots]

I would like to promote Ilkley Lotus IPA to a&h's f*****g brilliant list as both the main man and I thought this was outstanding in The Botanist on the Leeds crawl yesterday

And similarly Great Heck Citra was pretty good in the Scarbrough Taps so onto the Good list for that one.

[Mobyduck]

As described in the Bloody Awful Beer Of The Week thread Three Tuns -Clerics Cure most certainly bad in my book.In fact downright ugly.
TP don't forget to add the above to the bad next time you update. :sick:

[Thuck Phat]

Apologies MD I'd missed that so thanks for the reminder.

Ilkley Lotus IPA promoted with the very powerful twin forces of A&H's peerless palate and BF's enthusiastic quest for quality ale.

A&H's F*****g Brilliant

Roosters/Odells - The Accomplice 5.7% (A&H)
Salopian - Kashmir 5.5% (TP)
Marble - Lagonda IPA 5% (TP)
Darkstar - Green Hopped IPA 6.5% (MD)
Blue Monkey - Ape Ale 5.4% (TP)
Oakham - Untouchable IPA 9% (TP)
Siren Craft - Ryezing Tide IPA 7.4% (MD)
Downton - Endeavour IPA 10% (TP)
Ilkley Lotus IPA (TP, A&H, BF)

The Good

Brew Dog - Punk IPA 5.6% Keg
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA 5.9%
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey 6.4%
Acorn - Scorachi IPA 5.5%
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA 5%
Tryst - Raj IPA 5.5%
Moor Pacific IPA (OB)
Kirkstall Dissolution (OB)
Darkstar Green Hopped IPA (PoH)
Penzance Brewing IPA (BF)
Kernels Simcoe IPA (PoH)
Wadsworths Henrys IPA (A1)
Buxton Axe Edge Double IPA (PSM)
Summer Wine Diablo IPA (PSM)
Redemption Big Chief (PSM)
Thornbridge Seaforth IPA (RobC)
Hopdeamon Skrimshander IPA (Wit)
Old Dairy Blue Top (Wit)
Acorn Santiam IPA (O Blue)
Brains IPA (Mil)
Tring XL IPA (Mil)
Fernandes Motueka IPA (A&H)
Summer Wine Kahuna (A&H)
Brewdog Hardcore IPA (Sp)
Stone Ruination IPA (Sp)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Sp)
Rat King Rat (Sp)
Orkney Wayfarers IPA (A1)
Marble Dobber (OB)
Oakham Green Devil IPA (O Blue)
Dancing Duck Abduction IPA (Dan B)
Fullers Benghal Lancer (TP)
Red Squirrel Redwood American IPA (BF)
St Austell Cornish IPA (TP)
Ironbridge IPA (OT)
Ridgeside Southern Cross (TP)
Off Beat Out of Step IPA (TP)
RCH Hewish IPA (MD)
Thwaites Indus IPA (MD)
The Kernel Citra IPA (Sp)
Beavertown 8 Ball Rye IPA (BF)
Whitehorse Saracen IPA (MD)
Sharps Atlantic IPA (MD)
Wantsun IPA (OT)
Clun Citadel (OT)
Tiny Rebel Urban IPA (OT)
Harviestoun Wild Hop IPA (O Blue)
Sunny Republic Hop Dog (PSM)
Yeovil Posh IPA (PSM)
Elland Big Dog IPA (OT)
Acorn Calypso IPA (OT)
Lincoln Green Sheriffs IPA (A1)
Navigation Classic IPA (A1)
Old Dairy Hop Top Double (RPA)
Great Heck Yakima IPA (A&H)
St Austell Proper Job (MD)
Pheonix West Coast IPA (TP)
Acorn Millenium IPA (TP)
Redwillow Shameless IPA (TP)
Magic Rock - Craft Magic 3.2% (PoH)
Brodies - Dalston Black IPA Keykeg (Aqua)
Brodies - Hackney Red IPA Keykeg (Aqua)
Canterbury - Loco IPA 3.9% (Wit)
Darkstar - Belgian IPA Bottled 7.2% (MD)
Williams - Caesar Augustus Bottled 4.1% (TP)
Mordue IPA 5.1% (MD)
West Coast IPA 6.3% (A&H)
Surrey Hills - Greensand IPA 4.6% (MD)
Tryst - Carronade IPA 4.2% (TP)
Kent Brewery - Enigma Black IPA 5.5% (AL)
Milk Street - Gulp IPA 4.8% (MD)
Acorn - Sybilla IPA 5% (TP)
Andwell - Red IPA 4.5% (MD)
Conwy - Riptide (Aqua)
Windor & Eton - Conqueror Black IPA (Aqua)
Clarence & Frederick IPA (Aqua)
London Fields - Shoreditch Triangle IPA (Aqua)
Acorn - Barnsley IPA (Aqua)
Siren Craft Brew - Sound Wave West Coast IPA (Aqua)
Siren Craft Brew - Liquid Mistress West Coast Red IPA (Aqua) - Great name
Black Jack - Royal Flush 5% (TP)
Darkstar - Indian Summer IPA 6% (MD)
Triple fff - Jabberwocky Black IPA 5% (Aqua)
Roosters - Anniversary IPA 6% (TP)
Pixie Spring - Prince of Bengal IPA 5.5% (MD)
Great Heck - Citra (OB)

The Bad

Greene King - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
Brains - IPA
Wells - Eagle IPA
McMullen's IPA (BF)
Tring XL IPA (TP)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Wit)
Phipps NBC India Pale Ale (TP)
Holts IPA (A&H)
St Austell Podium IPA (TP)
GK IPA Gold (MD)
Warwickshire Beer Company - Ballsitcher IPA - 5% (TP)
Three Tuns - Clerics Cure BABOTW (MD)

The Nostalgic

Charringtons IPA (ND)

The Unclassified

By The Horns - Black and White IPA (TM)

[Aqualung]

I found one for the Good list on Friday, Hopcraft Ta Moko Black IPA at 5.5%.
The recent Tap East festival featured a 5.8% Windsor & Eton Irish Conqueror Black IPA which deserves Good status but I suspect that it was a one off.

[oldboots]

One for the good list; Wensleydale Decadence (5.3%)

[Wittenden]

Another for the made up beer style catagory.(I'm with Shut up about Barclay Perkins in querying the historical authenicity of those new style hopsoup heavyweight 'IPAs'). What is an American Brown Ale when it's at home? I had a pint of Hop Fuzz Pacific Jade (An NZ hop!).Mid brown and as bitter as hell. OK for one!

[london calling]

Another for the made up beer style catagory.(I'm with Shut up about Barclay Perkins in querying the historical authenicity of those new style hopsoup heavyweight 'IPAs'). What is an American Brown Ale when it's at home? I had a pint of Hop Fuzz Pacific Jade (An NZ hop!).Mid brown and as bitter as hell. OK for one!

I have only had 1 ABA from Shamblemoose (London brewery) just a boring brown ale really but I have had Kernal-Indian Brown Ale which was very good but I don't think its a style.

[Aqualung]

What is an American Brown Ale when it's at home?
This is only my opinion so I'm not stating it as a fact. My definition of a Black IPA is a black (or very dark brown) beer very heavily hopped with mostly new world hops that also has a pronounced hop aroma. This definiton can easily be extended to brown and red coloured beers in just the same way that we have had British dark, red and orange bitters for years now. Black IPAs are my favourites at the moment but they don't have to be strong as shown by Conwy Riptide and Banks's Black Diamond. If a Black IPA were to be brewed with just British hops then it would probably be classed as a stout.

[Thuck Phat]

Titanic Nine Tenths Below at 5.9% - straight in to Good.

A&H's F*****g Brilliant

Roosters/Odells - The Accomplice 5.7% (A&H)
Salopian - Kashmir 5.5% (TP)
Marble - Lagonda IPA 5% (TP)
Darkstar - Green Hopped IPA 6.5% (MD)
Blue Monkey - Ape Ale 5.4% (TP)
Oakham - Untouchable IPA 9% (TP)
Siren Craft - Ryezing Tide IPA 7.4% (MD)
Downton - Endeavour IPA 10% (TP)
Ilkley Lotus IPA (TP, A&H, BF)

The Good

Brew Dog - Punk IPA 5.6% Keg
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA 5.9%
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey 6.4%
Acorn - Scorachi IPA 5.5%
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA 5%
Tryst - Raj IPA 5.5%
Moor Pacific IPA (OB)
Kirkstall Dissolution (OB)
Darkstar Green Hopped IPA (PoH)
Penzance Brewing IPA (BF)
Kernels Simcoe IPA (PoH)
Wadsworths Henrys IPA (A1)
Buxton Axe Edge Double IPA (PSM)
Summer Wine Diablo IPA (PSM)
Redemption Big Chief (PSM)
Thornbridge Seaforth IPA (RobC)
Hopdeamon Skrimshander IPA (Wit)
Old Dairy Blue Top (Wit)
Acorn Santiam IPA (O Blue)
Brains IPA (Mil)
Tring XL IPA (Mil)
Fernandes Motueka IPA (A&H)
Summer Wine Kahuna (A&H)
Brewdog Hardcore IPA (Sp)
Stone Ruination IPA (Sp)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Sp)
Rat King Rat (Sp)
Orkney Wayfarers IPA (A1)
Marble Dobber (OB)
Oakham Green Devil IPA (O Blue)
Dancing Duck Abduction IPA (Dan B)
Fullers Benghal Lancer (TP)
Red Squirrel Redwood American IPA (BF)
St Austell Cornish IPA (TP)
Ironbridge IPA (OT)
Ridgeside Southern Cross (TP)
Off Beat Out of Step IPA (TP)
RCH Hewish IPA (MD)
Thwaites Indus IPA (MD)
The Kernel Citra IPA (Sp)
Beavertown 8 Ball Rye IPA (BF)
Whitehorse Saracen IPA (MD)
Sharps Atlantic IPA (MD)
Wantsun IPA (OT)
Clun Citadel (OT)
Tiny Rebel Urban IPA (OT)
Harviestoun Wild Hop IPA (O Blue)
Sunny Republic Hop Dog (PSM)
Yeovil Posh IPA (PSM)
Elland Big Dog IPA (OT)
Acorn Calypso IPA (OT)
Lincoln Green Sheriffs IPA (A1)
Navigation Classic IPA (A1)
Old Dairy Hop Top Double (RPA)
Great Heck Yakima IPA (A&H)
St Austell Proper Job (MD)
Pheonix West Coast IPA (TP)
Acorn Millenium IPA (TP)
Redwillow Shameless IPA (TP)
Magic Rock - Craft Magic 3.2% (PoH)
Brodies - Dalston Black IPA Keykeg (Aqua)
Brodies - Hackney Red IPA Keykeg (Aqua)
Canterbury - Loco IPA 3.9% (Wit)
Darkstar - Belgian IPA Bottled 7.2% (MD)
Williams - Caesar Augustus Bottled 4.1% (TP)
Mordue IPA 5.1% (MD)
West Coast IPA 6.3% (A&H)
Surrey Hills - Greensand IPA 4.6% (MD)
Tryst - Carronade IPA 4.2% (TP)
Kent Brewery - Enigma Black IPA 5.5% (AL)
Milk Street - Gulp IPA 4.8% (MD)
Acorn - Sybilla IPA 5% (TP)
Andwell - Red IPA 4.5% (MD)
Conwy - Riptide (Aqua)
Windor & Eton - Conqueror Black IPA (Aqua)
Clarence & Frederick IPA (Aqua)
London Fields - Shoreditch Triangle IPA (Aqua)
Acorn - Barnsley IPA (Aqua)
Siren Craft Brew - Sound Wave West Coast IPA (Aqua)
Siren Craft Brew - Liquid Mistress West Coast Red IPA (Aqua) - Great name
Black Jack - Royal Flush 5% (TP)
Darkstar - Indian Summer IPA 6% (MD)
Triple fff - Jabberwocky Black IPA 5% (Aqua)
Roosters - Anniversary IPA 6% (TP)
Pixie Spring - Prince of Bengal IPA 5.5% (MD)
Great Heck - Citra (OB)
Hopcraft - Ta Moko Black IPA 5.5% (Aqua)
Windsor & Eton - Irish Conqueror Black IPA 5.8% (Aqua)
Wensleydale Decadence 5.3% (OB)
Titanic - Nine Tenths Below 5.9% (TP)

The Bad

Greene King - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
Brains - IPA
Wells - Eagle IPA
McMullen's IPA (BF)
Tring XL IPA (TP)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Wit)
Phipps NBC India Pale Ale (TP)
Holts IPA (A&H)
St Austell Podium IPA (TP)
GK IPA Gold (MD)
Warwickshire Beer Company - Ballsitcher IPA - 5% (TP)
Three Tuns - Clerics Cure BABOTW (MD)

The Nostalgic

Charringtons IPA (ND)

The Unclassified

By The Horns - Black and White IPA (TM)

[Mobyduck]

Crate IPA , good.

[Mobyduck]

Just realized Roosters Fort Smith isn't on the list, its good at 5%.

[Aqualung]

I would put Hopcraft's The Beast (6.5%) in the A&HFB category.

[Mobyduck]

As mentioned by BF in this weeks Beer Of The Week(w/e 9/2/14) London Fields Shoreditch Triangle IPA should be elevated to A&H's FB category as should IMHO Siren Craft Brews Soundwave, both fantastic beers.

[Al 10000]

I had five pints of Whim Hartington IPA on Saturaday,i have had this drink quite a few times in the past and always enjoyed it,i would like to add it to the list.
Ime not sure if it is a proper IPA as i am no expert in real ales,i have been drinking real ales for 30 years but dont seem the know has much about it as others on this site.

After drinking real ales for 30 years why am i going wrong in not knowing anything about it.

[Wittenden]

I had five pints of Whim Hartington IPA on Saturaday,i have had this drink quite a few times in the past and always enjoyed it,i would like to add it to the list.
Ime not sure if it is a proper IPA as i am no expert in real ales,i have been drinking real ales for 30 years but dont seem the know has much about it as others on this site.


After drinking real ales for 30 years why am i going wrong in not knowing anything about it.
Most style rules are made up by a) Americans or b) would be brewers.I don't take much notice:if I like a beer, I like it, and if I don't, I probably will next time.This doesn't extend to keg or lager, and I haven't had much exposure to non UK beers.

[Mobyduck]

I had five pints of Whim Hartington IPA on Saturaday,i have had this drink quite a few times in the past and always enjoyed it,i would like to add it to the list.
Ime not sure if it is a proper IPA as i am no expert in real ales,i have been drinking real ales for 30 years but dont seem the know has much about it as others on this site.

After drinking real ales for 30 years why am i going wrong in not knowing anything about it.
All you really have to know about beer, as Wittenden has just mentioned, do you like it or don't you, of course if you want to learn a little more about a particular beer, the internet is a wonderful thing.

[Aqualung]

I would add Portobello Apache IPA (7%) to the good. I haven't seen it since round 2 of the Spoons mini London Fest but hope to strike lucky this week in round 4.

[Thuck Phat]

I had five pints of Whim Hartington IPA on Saturaday,i have had this drink quite a few times in the past and always enjoyed it,i would like to add it to the list.
Ime not sure if it is a proper IPA as i am no expert in real ales,i have been drinking real ales for 30 years but dont seem the know has much about it as others on this site.

After drinking real ales for 30 years why am i going wrong in not knowing anything about it.

There was some discussion at the beginning of the thread as to what is a proper IPA and it crops up occasionally but never with a definitive conclusion. The consensus was that the list should simply be of those IPAs which people have enjoyed, or not. Five pints of Hartington IPA is as good a recommendation as any so in it goes.

A&H's F*****g Brilliant

Roosters/Odells - The Accomplice 5.7% (A&H)
Salopian - Kashmir 5.5% (TP)
Marble - Lagonda IPA 5% (TP)
Darkstar - Green Hopped IPA 6.5% (MD)
Blue Monkey - Ape Ale 5.4% (TP)
Oakham - Untouchable IPA 9% (TP)
Siren Craft - Ryezing Tide IPA 7.4% (MD)
Downton - Endeavour IPA 10% (TP)
Ilkley - Lotus IPA (TP, A&H, BF)
Hopcraft - The Beast 6.5% (Aqua)
London Fields - Shoreditch Triangle IPA (MD)
Siren Craft - Soundwave (MD)
Alchemy - Galaxy Burst IPA 5.3% (LC)

The Good

Brew Dog - Punk IPA 5.6% Keg
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA 5.9%
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey 6.4%
Acorn - Scorachi IPA 5.5%
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA 5%
Tryst - Raj IPA 5.5%
Moor Pacific IPA (OB)
Kirkstall Dissolution (OB)
Darkstar Green Hopped IPA (PoH)
Penzance Brewing IPA (BF)
Kernels Simcoe IPA (PoH)
Wadsworths Henrys IPA (A1)
Buxton Axe Edge Double IPA (PSM)
Summer Wine Diablo IPA (PSM)
Redemption Big Chief (PSM)
Thornbridge Seaforth IPA (RobC)
Hopdeamon Skrimshander IPA (Wit)
Old Dairy Blue Top (Wit)
Acorn Santiam IPA (O Blue)
Brains IPA (Mil)
Tring XL IPA (Mil)
Fernandes Motueka IPA (A&H)
Summer Wine Kahuna (A&H)
Brewdog Hardcore IPA (Sp)
Stone Ruination IPA (Sp)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Sp)
Rat King Rat (Sp)
Orkney Wayfarers IPA (A1)
Marble Dobber (OB)
Oakham Green Devil IPA (O Blue)
Dancing Duck Abduction IPA (Dan B)
Fullers Benghal Lancer (TP)
Red Squirrel Redwood American IPA (BF)
St Austell Cornish IPA (TP)
Ironbridge IPA (OT)
Ridgeside Southern Cross (TP)
Off Beat Out of Step IPA (TP)
RCH Hewish IPA (MD)
Thwaites Indus IPA (MD)
The Kernel Citra IPA (Sp)
Beavertown 8 Ball Rye IPA (BF)
Whitehorse Saracen IPA (MD)
Sharps Atlantic IPA (MD)
Wantsun IPA (OT)
Clun Citadel (OT)
Tiny Rebel Urban IPA (OT)
Harviestoun Wild Hop IPA (O Blue)
Sunny Republic Hop Dog (PSM)
Yeovil Posh IPA (PSM)
Elland Big Dog IPA (OT)
Acorn Calypso IPA (OT)
Lincoln Green Sheriffs IPA (A1)
Navigation Classic IPA (A1)
Old Dairy Hop Top Double (RPA)
Great Heck Yakima IPA (A&H)
St Austell Proper Job (MD)
Pheonix West Coast IPA (TP)
Acorn Millenium IPA (TP)
Redwillow Shameless IPA (TP)
Magic Rock - Craft Magic 3.2% (PoH)
Brodies - Dalston Black IPA Keykeg (Aqua)
Brodies - Hackney Red IPA Keykeg (Aqua)
Canterbury - Loco IPA 3.9% (Wit)
Darkstar - Belgian IPA Bottled 7.2% (MD)
Williams - Caesar Augustus Bottled 4.1% (TP)
Mordue IPA 5.1% (MD)
West Coast IPA 6.3% (A&H)
Surrey Hills - Greensand IPA 4.6% (MD)
Tryst - Carronade IPA 4.2% (TP)
Kent Brewery - Enigma Black IPA 5.5% (AL)
Milk Street - Gulp IPA 4.8% (MD)
Acorn - Sybilla IPA 5% (TP)
Andwell - Red IPA 4.5% (MD)
Conwy - Riptide (Aqua)
Windor & Eton - Conqueror Black IPA (Aqua)
Clarence & Frederick IPA (Aqua)
London Fields - Shoreditch Triangle IPA (Aqua)
Acorn - Barnsley IPA (Aqua)
Siren Craft Brew - Sound Wave West Coast IPA (Aqua)
Siren Craft Brew - Liquid Mistress West Coast Red IPA (Aqua) - Great name
Black Jack - Royal Flush 5% (TP)
Darkstar - Indian Summer IPA 6% (MD)
Triple fff - Jabberwocky Black IPA 5% (Aqua)
Roosters - Anniversary IPA 6% (TP)
Pixie Spring - Prince of Bengal IPA 5.5% (MD)
Great Heck - Citra (OB)
Hopcraft - Ta Moko Black IPA 5.5% (Aqua)
Windsor & Eton - Irish Conqueror Black IPA 5.8% (Aqua)
Wensleydale Decadence 5.3% (OB)
Titanic - Nine Tenths Below 5.9% (TP)
Crate IPA (MD)
Roosters - Fort Smith 5% (MD)
Whim - Hartington IPA (A1)
Portobello - Apache IPA 7% (Aqua)

The Bad

Greene King - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
Brains - IPA
Wells - Eagle IPA
McMullen's IPA (BF)
Tring XL IPA (TP)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Wit)
Phipps NBC India Pale Ale (TP)
Holts IPA (A&H)
St Austell Podium IPA (TP)
GK IPA Gold (MD)
Warwickshire Beer Company - Ballsitcher IPA - 5% (TP)
Three Tuns - Clerics Cure BABOTW (MD)

The Nostalgic

Charringtons IPA (ND)

The Unclassified

By The Horns - Black and White IPA (TM)

[london calling]

Another one for the good nay exceptional list
Alchemy-Galaxy Burst ipa 5.3
should also be added to the what a rip off list
£2.55 a half in the Kings Arms Waterloo.

[london calling]

There was some discussion at the beginning of the thread as to what is a proper IPA and it crops up occasionally but never with a definitive conclusion. The consensus was that the list should simply be of those IPAs which people have enjoyed, or not. Five pints of Hartington IPA is as good a recommendation as any so in it goes.

A&H's F*****g Brilliant

Roosters/Odells - The Accomplice 5.7% (A&H)
Salopian - Kashmir 5.5% (TP)
Marble - Lagonda IPA 5% (TP)
Darkstar - Green Hopped IPA 6.5% (MD)
Blue Monkey - Ape Ale 5.4% (TP)
Oakham - Untouchable IPA 9% (TP)
Siren Craft - Ryezing Tide IPA 7.4% (MD)
Downton - Endeavour IPA 10% (TP)
Ilkley - Lotus IPA (TP, A&H, BF)
Hopcraft - The Beast 6.5% (Aqua)
London Fields - Shoreditch Triangle IPA (MD)
Siren Craft - Sandwave (MD)

The Good

Brew Dog - Punk IPA 5.6% Keg
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA 5.9%
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey 6.4%
Acorn - Scorachi IPA 5.5%
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA 5%
Tryst - Raj IPA 5.5%
Moor Pacific IPA (OB)
Kirkstall Dissolution (OB)
Darkstar Green Hopped IPA (PoH)
Penzance Brewing IPA (BF)
Kernels Simcoe IPA (PoH)
Wadsworths Henrys IPA (A1)
Buxton Axe Edge Double IPA (PSM)
Summer Wine Diablo IPA (PSM)
Redemption Big Chief (PSM)
Thornbridge Seaforth IPA (RobC)
Hopdeamon Skrimshander IPA (Wit)
Old Dairy Blue Top (Wit)
Acorn Santiam IPA (O Blue)
Brains IPA (Mil)
Tring XL IPA (Mil)
Fernandes Motueka IPA (A&H)
Summer Wine Kahuna (A&H)
Brewdog Hardcore IPA (Sp)
Stone Ruination IPA (Sp)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Sp)
Rat King Rat (Sp)
Orkney Wayfarers IPA (A1)
Marble Dobber (OB)
Oakham Green Devil IPA (O Blue)
Dancing Duck Abduction IPA (Dan B)
Fullers Benghal Lancer (TP)
Red Squirrel Redwood American IPA (BF)
St Austell Cornish IPA (TP)
Ironbridge IPA (OT)
Ridgeside Southern Cross (TP)
Off Beat Out of Step IPA (TP)
RCH Hewish IPA (MD)
Thwaites Indus IPA (MD)
The Kernel Citra IPA (Sp)
Beavertown 8 Ball Rye IPA (BF)
Whitehorse Saracen IPA (MD)
Sharps Atlantic IPA (MD)
Wantsun IPA (OT)
Clun Citadel (OT)
Tiny Rebel Urban IPA (OT)
Harviestoun Wild Hop IPA (O Blue)
Sunny Republic Hop Dog (PSM)
Yeovil Posh IPA (PSM)
Elland Big Dog IPA (OT)
Acorn Calypso IPA (OT)
Lincoln Green Sheriffs IPA (A1)
Navigation Classic IPA (A1)
Old Dairy Hop Top Double (RPA)
Great Heck Yakima IPA (A&H)
St Austell Proper Job (MD)
Pheonix West Coast IPA (TP)
Acorn Millenium IPA (TP)
Redwillow Shameless IPA (TP)
Magic Rock - Craft Magic 3.2% (PoH)
Brodies - Dalston Black IPA Keykeg (Aqua)
Brodies - Hackney Red IPA Keykeg (Aqua)
Canterbury - Loco IPA 3.9% (Wit)
Darkstar - Belgian IPA Bottled 7.2% (MD)
Williams - Caesar Augustus Bottled 4.1% (TP)
Mordue IPA 5.1% (MD)
West Coast IPA 6.3% (A&H)
Surrey Hills - Greensand IPA 4.6% (MD)
Tryst - Carronade IPA 4.2% (TP)
Kent Brewery - Enigma Black IPA 5.5% (AL)
Milk Street - Gulp IPA 4.8% (MD)
Acorn - Sybilla IPA 5% (TP)
Andwell - Red IPA 4.5% (MD)
Conwy - Riptide (Aqua)
Windor & Eton - Conqueror Black IPA (Aqua)
Clarence & Frederick IPA (Aqua)
London Fields - Shoreditch Triangle IPA (Aqua)
Acorn - Barnsley IPA (Aqua)
Siren Craft Brew - Sound Wave West Coast IPA (Aqua)
Siren Craft Brew - Liquid Mistress West Coast Red IPA (Aqua) - Great name
Black Jack - Royal Flush 5% (TP)
Darkstar - Indian Summer IPA 6% (MD)
Triple fff - Jabberwocky Black IPA 5% (Aqua)
Roosters - Anniversary IPA 6% (TP)
Pixie Spring - Prince of Bengal IPA 5.5% (MD)
Great Heck - Citra (OB)
Hopcraft - Ta Moko Black IPA 5.5% (Aqua)
Windsor & Eton - Irish Conqueror Black IPA 5.8% (Aqua)
Wensleydale Decadence 5.3% (OB)
Titanic - Nine Tenths Below 5.9% (TP)
Crate IPA (MD)
Roosters - Fort Smith 5% (MD)
Whim - Hartington IPA (A1)
Portobello - Apache IPA 7% (Aqua)

The Bad

Greene King - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
Brains - IPA
Wells - Eagle IPA
McMullen's IPA (BF)
Tring XL IPA (TP)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Wit)
Phipps NBC India Pale Ale (TP)
Holts IPA (A&H)
St Austell Podium IPA (TP)
GK IPA Gold (MD)
Warwickshire Beer Company - Ballsitcher IPA - 5% (TP)
Three Tuns - Clerics Cure BABOTW (MD)

The Nostalgic

Charringtons IPA (ND)

The Unclassified

By The Horns - Black and White IPA (TM)

Siren craft should be Soundwave. cheers john

[Thuck Phat]

Thanks John. Galaxy Burst into A & H's F*****g Brilliant and Sandwave corrected.

[Mobyduck]

Another one for the good nay exceptional list
Alchemy-Galaxy Burst ipa 5.3
should also be added to the what a rip off list
£2.55 a half in the Kings Arms Waterloo.
A pub I really like but suspect Iv'e been ripped off too in the past, last pub before the train home tends to let the barriers down.

[london calling]

A pub I really like but suspect Iv'e been ripped off too in the past, last pub before the train home tends to let the barriers down.

My first visit but came recommended but I was warned about the steep prices.I let the barman know what I thought of the price but also as I left I told him what I thought of the beer so maybe I am not barred. Definitely be back as I often change at Waterloo. Also got a new beer in the White Hart round the corner from it.Nicholsons pub probably.cheers john

[Mobyduck]

Weird Beard - Hit The Lights 5.8% - good.

[Mobyduck]

One for the good, Revisionist Dark IPA 4.8%.

[ROBCamra]

One for the good, Revisionist Dark IPA 4.8%.

aka Marston's and my BOTW 16th Feb. :cheers:

[Mobyduck]

aka Marston's and my BOTW 16th Feb. :cheers:
Craft brewed by Marstons no less,or so the blurb goes. :whistle: In this case by the two Wychwood brewers,a good beer.

[Mobyduck]

Another to add to the good, Castle Rock Screech Owl 5.5%.

[Mobyduck]

Just realised this is classed as a Black IPA, Signature Brew Black Tongue, its F*^"&*@G Brilliant.

[Aqualung]

I've got four for the good list:-

Wild Card Queen Of Diamonds IPA (5.0%)
Yeovil Posh IPA (5.4%)
Hopcraft Fault Line Black IPA (6.0%)
Greene King Double Hop Monster IPA (7.2%)

I never thought I would be recommending a Greene King beer for this list!

I would add Marston's Zeunarts Swedish IPA to the bad list but as it's a one off International Spoons beer I won't bother.

[Bucking Fastard]

Just got to recommend Blackjack Black IPA ,strong yet quaffable with great bitterness and about the best black IPA I have tried.I hope other contributors get a chance to pass judjement,it might make it into a&h's category if there was a second opinion as favourable.

[Thuck Phat]

An update having got over the shock of a GK beer nominated for the Good list. Good for them and I hope to find some soon!

A&H's F*****g Brilliant

Roosters/Odells - The Accomplice 5.7% (A&H)
Salopian - Kashmir 5.5% (TP)
Marble - Lagonda IPA 5% (TP)
Darkstar - Green Hopped IPA 6.5% (MD)
Blue Monkey - Ape Ale 5.4% (TP)
Oakham - Untouchable IPA 9% (TP)
Siren Craft - Ryezing Tide IPA 7.4% (MD)
Downton - Endeavour IPA 10% (TP)
Ilkley - Lotus IPA (TP, A&H, BF)
Hopcraft - The Beast 6.5% (Aqua)
London Fields - Shoreditch Triangle IPA (MD)
Siren Craft - Soundwave (MD)
Alchemy - Galaxy Burst IPA 5.3% (LC)
Signature Brew - Black Tongue (MD)

The Good

Brew Dog - Punk IPA 5.6% Keg
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA 5.9%
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey 6.4%
Acorn - Scorachi IPA 5.5%
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA 5%
Tryst - Raj IPA 5.5%
Moor Pacific IPA (OB)
Kirkstall Dissolution (OB)
Darkstar Green Hopped IPA (PoH)
Penzance Brewing IPA (BF)
Kernels Simcoe IPA (PoH)
Wadsworths Henrys IPA (A1)
Buxton Axe Edge Double IPA (PSM)
Summer Wine Diablo IPA (PSM)
Redemption Big Chief (PSM)
Thornbridge Seaforth IPA (RobC)
Hopdeamon Skrimshander IPA (Wit)
Old Dairy Blue Top (Wit)
Acorn Santiam IPA (O Blue)
Brains IPA (Mil)
Tring XL IPA (Mil)
Fernandes Motueka IPA (A&H)
Summer Wine Kahuna (A&H)
Brewdog Hardcore IPA (Sp)
Stone Ruination IPA (Sp)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Sp)
Rat King Rat (Sp)
Orkney Wayfarers IPA (A1)
Marble Dobber (OB)
Oakham Green Devil IPA (O Blue)
Dancing Duck Abduction IPA (Dan B)
Fullers Benghal Lancer (TP)
Red Squirrel Redwood American IPA (BF)
St Austell Cornish IPA (TP)
Ironbridge IPA (OT)
Ridgeside Southern Cross (TP)
Off Beat Out of Step IPA (TP)
RCH Hewish IPA (MD)
Thwaites Indus IPA (MD)
The Kernel Citra IPA (Sp)
Beavertown 8 Ball Rye IPA (BF)
Whitehorse Saracen IPA (MD)
Sharps Atlantic IPA (MD)
Wantsun IPA (OT)
Clun Citadel (OT)
Tiny Rebel Urban IPA (OT)
Harviestoun Wild Hop IPA (O Blue)
Sunny Republic Hop Dog (PSM)
Yeovil Posh IPA (PSM)
Elland Big Dog IPA (OT)
Acorn Calypso IPA (OT)
Lincoln Green Sheriffs IPA (A1)
Navigation Classic IPA (A1)
Old Dairy Hop Top Double (RPA)
Great Heck Yakima IPA (A&H)
St Austell Proper Job (MD)
Pheonix West Coast IPA (TP)
Acorn Millenium IPA (TP)
Redwillow Shameless IPA (TP)
Magic Rock - Craft Magic 3.2% (PoH)
Brodies - Dalston Black IPA Keykeg (Aqua)
Brodies - Hackney Red IPA Keykeg (Aqua)
Canterbury - Loco IPA 3.9% (Wit)
Darkstar - Belgian IPA Bottled 7.2% (MD)
Williams - Caesar Augustus Bottled 4.1% (TP)
Mordue IPA 5.1% (MD)
West Coast IPA 6.3% (A&H)
Surrey Hills - Greensand IPA 4.6% (MD)
Tryst - Carronade IPA 4.2% (TP)
Kent Brewery - Enigma Black IPA 5.5% (AL)
Milk Street - Gulp IPA 4.8% (MD)
Acorn - Sybilla IPA 5% (TP)
Andwell - Red IPA 4.5% (MD)
Conwy - Riptide (Aqua)
Windor & Eton - Conqueror Black IPA (Aqua)
Clarence & Frederick IPA (Aqua)
London Fields - Shoreditch Triangle IPA (Aqua)
Acorn - Barnsley IPA (Aqua)
Siren Craft Brew - Sound Wave West Coast IPA (Aqua)
Siren Craft Brew - Liquid Mistress West Coast Red IPA (Aqua) - Great name
Black Jack - Royal Flush 5% (TP)
Darkstar - Indian Summer IPA 6% (MD)
Triple fff - Jabberwocky Black IPA 5% (Aqua)
Roosters - Anniversary IPA 6% (TP)
Pixie Spring - Prince of Bengal IPA 5.5% (MD)
Great Heck - Citra (OB)
Hopcraft - Ta Moko Black IPA 5.5% (Aqua)
Windsor & Eton - Irish Conqueror Black IPA 5.8% (Aqua)
Wensleydale Decadence 5.3% (OB)
Titanic - Nine Tenths Below 5.9% (TP)
Crate IPA (MD)
Roosters - Fort Smith 5% (MD)
Whim - Hartington IPA (A1)
Portobello - Apache IPA 7% (Aqua)
Weird Beard - Hit the Lights 5.8% (MD)
Marstons - Revisionist Dark IPA 4.8% (MD)
Castle Rock - Screech Owl 5.5% (MD)
Wild Card - Queen of Diamonds IPA 5.0% (Aqua)
Yeovil - Posh IPA 5.4% (Aqua)
Hopcraft - Fault Line Black IPA 6.0% (Aqua)
Greene King - Double Hop Monster IPA 7.2% (Aqua)
Blackjack - Black IPA (BF)
Red Squirrel - Jack Black 4.8% (MD)
Gyle 59 - IPA 5.3% (unfined) (MD)

The Bad

Greene King - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
Brains - IPA
Wells - Eagle IPA
McMullen's IPA (BF)
Tring XL IPA (TP)
Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA (Wit)
Phipps NBC India Pale Ale (TP)
Holts IPA (A&H)
St Austell Podium IPA (TP)
GK IPA Gold (MD)
Warwickshire Beer Company - Ballsitcher IPA - 5% (TP)
Three Tuns - Clerics Cure BABOTW (MD)

The Nostalgic

Charringtons IPA (ND)

The Unclassified

By The Horns - Black and White IPA (TM)

[Mobyduck]

Two additions for the good, tried this week,
Red Squirrel - Jack Black 4.8% (a black IPA) and the unfined, Gyle 59 - IPA. 5.3%

[Thuck Phat]

Two additions for the good, tried this week,
Red Squirrel - Jack Black 4.8% (a black IPA) and the unfined, Gyle 59 - IPA. 5.3%

Updated above.

[Mobyduck]

Updated above.
Hi TP you have put the Red Squirrel Jack Black down on the update in reverse,(Black Jack) I did the same originally, there seems now a lot of Black IPA's around, should they have their own section?

[Thuck Phat]

Hi TP you have put the Red Squirrel Jack Black down on the update in reverse,(Black Jack) I did the same originally, there seems now a lot of Black IPA's around, should they have their own section?

Thank you for picking me up on that MD. I must have been thinking about Black Jack the brewery - which given how good their beers usually are isn't a bad thing. Anyhow, corrected now.

[Aqualung]

Hi TP you have put the Red Squirrel Jack Black down on the update in reverse,(Black Jack) I did the same originally, there seems now a lot of Black IPA's around, should they have their own section?

Personally I would rather see APAs and IPAs of all descriptions in one list. Brodie's do a Kentish Town Brown IPA!
The APAs were originally just the Yanks putting their own stamp on the original concept and then the new UK breweries started following in their footsteps.

[Mobyduck]

A bit of a mission reading through the list now to make sure beers aren't duplicated, but here's two more very good ones enjoyed at the Kingston Beer Festival yesterday,
Twickenham- Black Eel IPA 5%, and Rother Valley-Northiam Imperial Pale Ale N.I.P.A. 5%

[Aqualung]

A bit of a mission reading through the list now to make sure beers aren't duplicated, but here's two more very good ones enjoyed at the Kingston Beer Festival yesterday,
Twickenham- Black Eel IPA 5%, and Rother Valley-Northiam Imperial Pale Ale N.I.P.A. 5%

I meant to nominate Black Eel a few months ago but it must have slipped my mind.

[Mobyduck]

Another to add to the good I forgot to mention is Alchemy - Dr Rudi Burst 5.3%

[Thuck Phat]

A new one from me which, to my surprise, is a keg beer. Northern Monk - New World IPA at 6.2% straight into Good and a strong candidate for A&H's F*****g Brilliant.

Update:

A&H's F*****g Brilliant

Alchemy - Galaxy Burst IPA 5.3% (LC)
Blue Monkey - Ape Ale 5.4% (TP)
Darkstar - Green Hopped IPA 6.5% (PoH, MD)
Downton - Endeavour IPA 10% (TP)
Hopcraft - The Beast 6.5% (Aqua)
Ilkley - Lotus IPA 5.6% (TP, A&H, BF)
London Fields - Shoreditch Triangle IPA 6% (Aqua, MD)
Marble - Lagonda IPA 5% (TP)
Oakham - Untouchable IPA 9% (TP)
Roosters/Odells - The Accomplice 5.7% (A&H)
Salopian - Kashmir 5.5% (TP)
Signature Brew - Black Tongue 8.3% (MD)
Siren Craft - Ryezing Tide IPA 7.4% (MD)
Siren Craft - Soundwave 5.6% (MD)

The Good

Acorn - Barnsley IPA 5% (Aqua)
Acorn - Calypso IPA 5% (OT)
Acorn - Millenium IPA 5% (TP)
Acorn - Santiam IPA 5% (O Blue)
Acorn - Scorachi IPA 5.5% (TP)
Acorn - Sybilla IPA 5% (TP)
Alchemy - Dr. Rudi Burst 5.3% (MD)
Andwell - Red IPA 4.5% (MD)
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey 6.4% (TP)
Beavertown - 8 Ball Rye IPA 6.2% (BF)
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA 5% (TP)
Blackjack - Black IPA 5.8% (BF)
Black Jack - Royal Flush 5% (TP)
Brains - IPA 3.4% (Mil)
Brewdog Hardcore IPA 9.2% (Sp)
Brew Dog - Punk IPA 5.6% (Keg) (TP)
Brodies - Dalston Black IPA 9% (Keykeg) (Aqua)
Brodies - Hackney Red IPA 6.1% (Keykeg) (Aqua)
Buxton - Axe Edge Double IPA 6.8% (PSM)
Canterbury - Loco IPA 3.9% (Wit)
Castle Rock - Screech Owl 5.5% (MD)
Clarence & Frederick - IPA 5.2% (Aqua)
Conwy - Riptide 4.3% (Aqua)
Crate - IPA 5.8% (MD)
Clun - Citadel 5.9% (OT)
Dancing Duck - Abduction IPA 5.5% (Dan B)
Darkstar - Belgian IPA Bottled 7.2% (MD)
Darkstar - Indian Summer IPA 6% (MD)
Elland - Big Dog IPA 4.9% (OT)
Fernandes - Motueka IPA 4.3% (A&H)
Fullers - Benghal Lancer 5% (TP)
Great Heck - Citra (OB)
Great Heck - Yakima IPA (A&H)
Greene King - Double Hop Monster IPA 7.2% (Aqua)
Gyle 59 - IPA 5.3% (unfined) (MD)
Hart - 1833 IPA 6.6% (bottled) (TP)
Harviestoun - Wild Hop IPA (O Blue)
Hopcraft - Fault Line Black IPA 6.0% (Aqua)
Hopcraft - Ta Moko Black IPA 5.5% (Aqua)
Hopdeamon - Skrimshander IPA (Wit)
Ironbridge - IPA (OT)
Kent Brewery - Enigma Black IPA 5.5% (AL)
The Kernel - Citra IPA (Sp)
Kernels - Simcoe IPA (PoH)
Kirkstall - Dissolution (OB)
Lincoln Green - Sheriffs IPA (A1)
Magic Rock - Craft Magic 3.2% (PoH)
Marble - Dobber (OB)
Marstons - Revisionist Dark IPA 4.8% (MD)
Milk Street - Gulp IPA 4.8% (MD)
Mordue - IPA 5.1% (MD)
Moor - Pacific IPA (OB)
Navigation - Classic IPA (A1)
Northern Monk - New World IPA (keg) 6.2% (TP)
Oakham - Green Devil IPA (O Blue)
Off Beat - Out of Step IPA (TP)
Old Dairy - Blue Top (Wit)
Old Dairy - Hop Top Double (RPA)
Orkney - Wayfarers IPA (A1)
Penzance Brewing - IPA (BF)
Pheonix - West Coast IPA (TP)
Pixie Spring - Prince of Bengal IPA 5.5% (MD)
Portobello - Apache IPA 7% (Aqua)
Rat - King Rat (Sp)
RCH Hewish IPA (MD)
Red Squirrel - Jack Black 4.8% (MD)
Red Squirrel - Redwood American IPA (BF)
Redemption - Big Chief (PSM)
Redwillow - Shameless IPA (TP)
Ridgeside Southern Cross (TP)
Roosters - Anniversary IPA 6% (TP)
Roosters - Fort Smith 5% (MD)
Rother Valley - Northian Imperial Pale Ale NIPA 5% (MD)
Sharps - Atlantic IPA (MD)
Sierra Nevada - Torpedo IPA (Sp)
Siren Craft Brew - Liquid Mistress West Coast Red IPA (Aqua)
Siren Craft Brew - Sound Wave West Coast IPA (Aqua)
St Austell - Cornish IPA (TP)
St Austell - Proper Job (MD)
Stone - Ruination IPA (Sp)
Summer Wine - Diablo IPA (PSM)
Summer Wine - Kahuna (A&H)
Sunny Republic - Hop Dog (PSM)
Surrey Hills - Greensand IPA 4.6% (MD)
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA 5.9% (TP)
Thornbridge - Seaforth IPA (RobC)
Thwaites - Indus IPA (MD)
Tiny Rebel - Urban IPA (OT)
Titanic - Nine Tenths Below 5.9% (TP)
Tring - XL IPA (Mil)
Triple fff - Jabberwocky Black IPA 5% (Aqua)
Tryst - Carronade IPA 4.2% (TP)
Tryst - Raj IPA 5.5% (TP)
Twickenham - Black Eel IPA 5% (MD)
Wadsworths - Henrys IPA (A1)
Wantsun - IPA (OT)
Weird Beard - Hit the Lights 5.8% (MD)
Wensleydale - Decadence 5.3% (OB)
West Coast - IPA 6.3% (A&H)
Whim - Hartington IPA (A1)
Whitehorse Saracen IPA (MD)
Wild Card - Queen of Diamonds IPA 5.0% (Aqua)
Williams - Caesar Augustus Bottled 4.1% (TP)
Windor & Eton - Conqueror Black IPA (Aqua)
Windsor & Eton - Irish Conqueror Black IPA 5.8% (Aqua)
Yeovil - Posh IPA 5.4% (PSM, Aqua)

The Bad

Brains - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Greene King - IPA Gold (MD)
Greene King - IPA
Holts - IPA (A&H)
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
McMullen's - IPA (BF)
Phipps - NBC India Pale Ale (TP)
Sierra Nevada - Torpedo IPA (Wit)
St Austell - Podium IPA (TP)
Three Tuns - Clerics Cure BABOTW (MD)
Tring - XL IPA (TP)
Warwickshire Beer Company - Ballsitcher IPA 5% (TP)
Wells - Eagle IPA

The Nostalgic

Charringtons - IPA (ND)

The Unclassified

By The Horns - Black and White IPA (TM)

[aleandhearty]

A bit of a mission reading through the list now to make sure beers aren't duplicated

It's a great list TP, but I wonder if the time has come to put it in alphabetical order, if you can face doing it. :eek: Should keep you out of mischief for a while.

[Mobyduck]

It's a great list TP, but I wonder if the time has come to put it in alphabetical order, if you can face doing it. :eek: Should keep you out of mischief for a while.
And the pub :eek:

[london calling]

A bit of a mission reading through the list now to make sure beers aren't duplicated, but here's two more very good ones enjoyed at the Kingston Beer Festival yesterday,
Twickenham- Black Eel IPA 5%, and Rother Valley-Northiam Imperial Pale Ale N.I.P.A. 5%
Love Twickenham beers and had a beer called Black eel 5.5 about 2 years ago but my memory of it was a stout.Just checked Ratebeer and they say porter but anyway was a great beer.Obviously they have brought it back different strength and now an ipa.Going to hunt that one down soon. cheers john

[Thuck Phat]

It's a great list TP, but I wonder if the time has come to put it in alphabetical order, if you can face doing it. :eek: Should keep you out of mischief for a while.

You're right A&H. Time to find a decent boozer with wifi.

[aleandhearty]

You're right A&H. Time to find a decent boozer with wifi.

Blimey, TP! That didn't take you long. Definitely more user friendly. Buy that man a pint...of IPA.

[Mobyduck]

Blimey, TP! That didn't take you long. Definitely more user friendly. Buy that man a pint...of IPA.
Fantastic , either you know what your doing TP or you've got to much time on your hands. :D

[Mobyduck]

I can see clearly now , as the song goes, now that I can, I note two IPA's feature in both the good as well as A&H's F*****g Brilliant. They are of course both of these, I believe they both belong in the latter ,(as it was I that nominated both of them thus) but to be fair they were probably both nominated as good before I elevated them .
They are - Darkstar Green Hopped IPA, originally nominated by Paul of Horsham, and London Fields Shoreditch Triangle , originally nominated by Aqualung , both stonkingly good beers , please keep them in the premier league but credit goes to the originators .

[Aqualung]

I can see clearly now , as the song goes, now that I can, I note two IPA's feature in both the good as well as A&H's F*****g Brilliant. They are of course both of these, I believe they both belong in the latter ,(as it was I that nominated both of them thus) but to be fair they were probably both nominated as good before I elevated them .
They are - Darkstar Green Hopped IPA, originally nominated by Paul of Horsham, and London Fields Shoreditch Triangle , originally nominated by Aqualung , both stonkingly good beers , please keep them in the premier league but credit goes to the originators .

I second that!

[Thuck Phat]

I can see clearly now , as the song goes, now that I can, I note two IPA's feature in both the good as well as A&H's F*****g Brilliant. They are of course both of these, I believe they both belong in the latter ,(as it was I that nominated both of them thus) but to be fair they were probably both nominated as good before I elevated them .
They are - Darkstar Green Hopped IPA, originally nominated by Paul of Horsham, and London Fields Shoreditch Triangle , originally nominated by Aqualung , both stonkingly good beers , please keep them in the premier league but credit goes to the originators .

I hadn't spotted that so thank you Moby. I don't think it's too controversial a move to take them out of Good and leave them in A&H's F*****g Brilliant with both you, as the promoter, and the originators credited. So that's what I've done. There's the odd one which features in both Good and Bad lists, Brains IPA springs to mind, but I don't think that's an issue as someone has enjoyed it and someone else hasn't.

I chuckled at the idea that I know what I'm doing!

A&H, that was a very good idea and does make the list much more usable. I'll take a (virtual) Marble Lagonda IPA please. :cheers:

[Mobyduck]

I hadn't spotted that so thank you Moby. I don't think it's too controversial a move to take them out of Good and leave them in A&H's F*****g Brilliant with both you, as the promoter, and the originators credited. So that's what I've done. There's the odd one which features in both Good and Bad lists, Brains IPA springs to mind, but I don't think that's an issue as someone has enjoyed it and someone else hasn't.

I chuckled at the idea that I know what I'm doing!

A&H, that was a very good idea and does make the list much more usable. I'll take a (virtual) Marble Lagonda IPA please. :cheers:
A great list and now easy to check out, good work TP.

[aleandhearty]

Another one for the good list is Great Heck's Shankar IPA, a 5.9% hop beast. Made with Columbus, Cascade, Citra and Chinook, it is also dry hopped with more Columbus, Cascade and Williamette. Not for the faint hearted (and definitely not for 'sheffield hatter'!).

[Aqualung]

I would add Clouded Minds Black Pike IPA (6.1%) to the good.
This is a black IPA from a relatively new brewer from the Hornsey / Bounds Green area.
They've also got a standard IPA called Dolce Vita that I'm looking forward to trying.

[Thuck Phat]

Another one for the good list is Great Heck's Shankar IPA, a 5.9% hop beast. Made with Columbus, Cascade, Citra and Chinook, it is also dry hopped with more Columbus, Cascade and Williamette. Not for the faint hearted (and definitely not for 'sheffield hatter'!).

I tried a bottle of Great Heck Yakima IPA the other day - fantastic. I'll look out for the Shankar, as they say.

Update:

A&H's F*****g Brilliant

Alchemy - Galaxy Burst IPA 5.3% (LC)
Blue Monkey - Ape Ale 5.4% (TP)
Darkstar - Green Hopped IPA 6.5% (PoH, MD)
Downton - Endeavour IPA 10% (TP)
Hopcraft - The Beast 6.5% (Aqua)
Ilkley - Lotus IPA 5.6% (TP, A&H, BF)
London Fields - Shoreditch Triangle IPA 6% (Aqua, MD)
Marble - Lagonda IPA 5% (TP)
Oakham - Untouchable IPA 9% (TP)
Roosters/Odells - The Accomplice 5.7% (A&H)
Salopian - Kashmir 5.5% (TP)
Signature Brew - Black Tongue 8.3% (MD)
Siren Craft - Ryezing Tide IPA 7.4% (MD)
Siren Craft - Soundwave 5.6% (MD, Aqua)

The Good

Acorn - Barnsley IPA 5% (Aqua)
Acorn - Calypso IPA 5% (OT)
Acorn - Millenium IPA 5% (TP)
Acorn - Santiam IPA 5% (O Blue)
Acorn - Scorachi IPA 5.5% (TP)
Acorn - Sybilla IPA 5% (TP)
Alchemy - Dr. Rudi Burst 5.3% (MD)
Andwell - Red IPA 4.5% (MD)
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey 6.4% (TP)
Beavertown - 8 Ball Rye IPA 6.2% (BF)
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA 5% (TP)
Blackjack - Black IPA 5.8% (BF)
Black Jack - Royal Flush 5% (TP)
Brains - IPA 3.4% (Mil)
Brewdog Hardcore IPA 9.2% (Sp)
Brew Dog - Punk IPA 5.6% (Keg) (TP)
Brodies - Dalston Black IPA 9% (Keykeg) (Aqua)
Brodies - Hackney Red IPA 6.1% (Keykeg) (Aqua)
Buxton - Axe Edge Double IPA 6.8% (PSM)
Canterbury - Loco IPA 3.9% (Wit)
Castle Rock - Screech Owl 5.5% (MD)
Clarence & Frederick - IPA 5.2% (Aqua)
Conwy - Riptide 4.3% (Aqua)
Clouded Minds - Black Pike IPA 6.1% (Aqua)
Clun - Citadel 5.9% (OT)
Crate - IPA 5.8% (MD)
Dancing Duck - Abduction IPA 5.5% (Dan B)
Darkstar - Belgian IPA Bottled 7.2% (MD)
Darkstar - Indian Summer IPA 6% (MD)
Elland - Big Dog IPA 4.9% (OT)
Fernandes - Motueka IPA 4.3% (A&H)
Fullers - Benghal Lancer 5% (TP)
Great Heck - Citra 4.5% (OB)
Great Heck - Shankar IPA 5.9% (A&H)
Great Heck - Yakima IPA 7.4% (A&H)
Greene King - Double Hop Monster IPA 7.2% (Aqua)
Gyle 59 - IPA 5.3% (unfined) (MD)
Hart - 1833 IPA 6.6% (bottled) (TP)
Harviestoun - Wild Hop IPA 5.2% (O Blue)
Hopcraft - Fault Line Black IPA 6.0% (Aqua)
Hopcraft - Ta Moko Black IPA 5.5% (Aqua)
Hopdeamon - Skrimshander IPA 4.5% (Wit)
Ironbridge - IPA 4% (OT)
Kent Brewery - Enigma Black IPA 5.5% (AL)
The Kernel - Citra IPA 6.2% (Sp)
Kernel - Simcoe IPA 7.9% (PoH)
Kinver - Khyber IPA 5.8% (Aqua)
Kirkstall - Dissolution 5% (OB)
Lincoln Green - Sheriffs IPA 5.5% (A1)
Magic Rock - Craft Magic 3.2% (PoH)
Marble - Dobber 5.9% (OB)
Marstons - Revisionist Dark IPA 4.8% (MD)
Milk Street - Gulp IPA 4.8% (MD)
Mordue - IPA 5.1% (MD)
Moor - Pacific IPA 6% (OB)
Navigation - Classic IPA 5.2% (A1)
Northern Monk - New World IPA (keg) 6.2% (TP)
Oakham - Green Devil IPA 6% (O Blue)
Off Beat - Out of Step IPA 5.8% (TP)
Old Dairy - Blue Top 4.8% (Wit)
Old Dairy - Hop Top Double 9% (RPA)
Orkney - Wayfarers IPA 5% (A1)
Penzance Brewing - IPA (BF)
Pheonix - West Coast IPA (TP)
Pixie Spring - Prince of Bengal IPA 5.5% (MD)
Portobello - Apache IPA 7% (Aqua)
Rat - King Rat (Sp)
RCH Hewish IPA (MD)
Red Squirrel - Jack Black 4.8% (MD)
Red Squirrel - Redwood American IPA (BF)
Redemption - Big Chief (PSM)
Redwillow - Shameless IPA (TP)
Ridgeside Southern Cross (TP)
Roosters - Anniversary IPA 6% (TP)
Roosters - Fort Smith 5% (MD)
Rother Valley - Northian Imperial Pale Ale NIPA 5% (MD)
Sharps - Atlantic IPA (MD)
Sierra Nevada - Torpedo IPA (Sp)
Siren Craft Brew - Liquid Mistress West Coast Red IPA (Aqua)
St Austell - Cornish IPA (TP)
St Austell - Proper Job (MD)
Stone - Ruination IPA (Sp)
Summer Wine - Diablo IPA (PSM)
Summer Wine - Kahuna (A&H)
Sunny Republic - Hop Dog (PSM)
Surrey Hills - Greensand IPA 4.6% (MD)
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA 5.9% (TP)
Thornbridge - Seaforth IPA (RobC)
Thwaites - Indus IPA (MD)
Tiny Rebel - Urban IPA (OT)
Titanic - Nine Tenths Below 5.9% (TP)
Tring - XL IPA (Mil)
Triple fff - Jabberwocky Black IPA 5% (Aqua)
Tryst - Carronade IPA 4.2% (TP)
Tryst - Raj IPA 5.5% (TP)
Twickenham - Black Eel IPA 5% (MD)
Wadsworths - Henrys IPA (A1)
Wantsun - IPA (OT)
Weird Beard - Hit the Lights 5.8% (MD)
Wensleydale - Decadence 5.3% (OB)
West Coast - IPA 6.3% (A&H)
Whim - Hartington IPA (A1)
Whitehorse Saracen IPA (MD)
Wild Card - Queen of Diamonds IPA 5.0% (Aqua)
Williams - Caesar Augustus Bottled 4.1% (TP)
Windor & Eton - Conqueror Black IPA (Aqua)
Windsor & Eton - Irish Conqueror Black IPA 5.8% (Aqua)
Yeovil - Posh IPA 5.4% (PSM, Aqua)

The Bad

Brains - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Greene King - IPA Gold (MD)
Greene King - IPA
Holts - IPA (A&H)
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
McMullen's - IPA (BF)
Phipps - NBC India Pale Ale (TP)
Sierra Nevada - Torpedo IPA (Wit)
St Austell - Podium IPA (TP)
Three Tuns - Clerics Cure BABOTW (MD)
Tring - XL IPA (TP)
Warwickshire Beer Company - Ballsitcher IPA 5% (TP)
Wells - Eagle IPA

The Nostalgic

Charringtons - IPA (ND)
Ridleys - IPA (Aqua)

The Unclassified

By The Horns - Black and White IPA (TM)

[Aqualung]

I would like to add Kinver Khyber IPA (5.8%) to the Good list. It may have gone in the brilliant list but it was late in the day when I had it with a Spoons meal and I was getting a bit tired. I may well promote it if I come across it again.
Could my good entry for Siren's Sound Wave be deleted as I wouild prefer not to see duplicates and am happy with Moby's choice. Sadly the William in Leyton no longer deal with Siren as they fell out with the manager and I don't have any juicy gossip about it!
I don't think their "conscious separation" is doing either any harm.

In the unlikely event I find one that I feel should be relegated to Bad I will shut up and assume it was poorly kept.

Can I add Ridley's IPA to the nostalgic please? Of course it wasn't an IPA at all but a cooking bitter that was rebadged when Greene King started invading Essex. I've got an old Ridley's tea towel from the 1970s where it is just described as Ridley's Draught Bitter.
It's alive and well today in the form of Bishop Nick's Ridley's Rite, I was unable to tell any difference between this and the old Ridley's last month. Hall and Woodlouse should take note.

[Thuck Phat]

I would like to add Kinver Khyber IPA (5.8%) to the Good list. It may have gone in the brilliant list but it was late in the day when I had it with a Spoons meal and I was getting a bit tired. I may well promote it if I come across it again.
Could my good entry for Siren's Sound Wave be deleted as I wouild prefer not to see duplicates and am happy with Moby's choice. Sadly the William in Leyton no longer deal with Siren as they fell out with the manager and I don't have any juicy gossip about it!
I don't think their "conscious separation" is doing either any harm.

In the unlikely event I find one that I feel should be relegated to Bad I will shut up and assume it was poorly kept.

Can I add Ridley's IPA to the nostalgic please? Of course it wasn't an IPA at all but a cooking bitter that was rebadged when Greene King started invading Essex. I've got an old Ridley's tea towel from the 1970s where it is just described as Ridley's Draught Bitter.
It's alive and well today in the form of Bishop Nick's Ridley's Rite, I was unable to tell any difference between this and the old Ridley's last month. Hall and Woodlouse should take note.

I don't mind the odd duplication as beers can produce different views from different people, I certainly wouldn't disagree with taking Sound Wave up to F*****g Brilliant though.

Updates done above.

[Thuck Phat]

As described in the BOTW thread, Hopcraft/Northern Monk Crafty Monk is an outstanding 5.7% red IPA. Malty to start but packed full of hops for a lasting bitterness. I've nominated it for A&H's F*****g Brilliant but since I enjoyed one with the man himself I'm happy to shift it down to Good if A&H thinks it isn't quite up to F*****g Brilliant.

A&H's F*****g Brilliant

Alchemy - Galaxy Burst IPA 5.3% (LC)
Blue Monkey - Ape Ale 5.4% (TP)
Darkstar - Green Hopped IPA 6.5% (PoH, MD)
Downton - Endeavour IPA 10% (TP)
Hopcraft/Northern Monk - Crafty Monk (red IPA) 5.7% (TP)
Hopcraft - The Beast 6.5% (Aqua)
Ilkley - Lotus IPA 5.6% (TP, A&H, BF)
London Fields - Shoreditch Triangle IPA 6% (Aqua, MD)
Marble - Lagonda IPA 5% (TP)
Oakham - Untouchable IPA 9% (TP)
Roosters/Odells - The Accomplice 5.7% (A&H)
Salopian - Automaton 7% (MD)
Salopian - Kashmir 5.5% (TP)
Signature Brew - Black Tongue 8.3% (MD)
Siren Craft - Ryezing Tide IPA 7.4% (MD)
Siren Craft - Soundwave 5.6% (MD, Aqua)

The Good

Acorn - Barnsley IPA 5% (Aqua)
Acorn - Calypso IPA 5% (OT)
Acorn - Millenium IPA 5% (TP)
Acorn - Santiam IPA 5% (O Blue)
Acorn - Scorachi IPA 5.5% (TP)
Acorn - Sybilla IPA 5% (TP)
Alchemy - Dr. Rudi Burst 5.3% (MD)
Andwell - Red IPA 4.5% (MD)
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey 6.4% (TP)
Beavertown - 8 Ball Rye IPA 6.2% (BF)
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA 5% (TP)
Blackjack - Black IPA 5.8% (BF)
Black Jack - Royal Flush 5% (TP)
Brains - IPA 3.4% (Mil)
Brewdog Hardcore IPA 9.2% (Sp)
Brew Dog - Punk IPA 5.6% (Keg) (TP)
Brodies - Dalston Black IPA 9% (Keykeg) (Aqua)
Brodies - Hackney Red IPA 6.1% (Keykeg) (Aqua)
Buxton - Axe Edge Double IPA 6.8% (PSM)
Canterbury - Loco IPA 3.9% (Wit)
Castle Rock - Screech Owl 5.5% (MD)
Clarence & Frederick - IPA 5.2% (Aqua)
Conwy - Riptide 4.3% (Aqua)
Clouded Minds - Black Pike IPA 6.1% (Aqua)
Clouded Minds - Dolce Vita IPA 6.2% (Aqua)
Clun - Citadel 5.9% (OT)
Crate - IPA 5.8% (MD)
Dancing Duck - Abduction IPA 5.5% (Dan B)
Darkstar - Belgian IPA Bottled 7.2% (MD)
Darkstar - Indian Summer IPA 6% (MD)
Elland - Big Dog IPA 4.9% (OT)
Fernandes - Motueka IPA 4.3% (A&H)
Fullers - Benghal Lancer 5% (TP)
Great Heck - Citra 4.5% (OB)
Great Heck - Shankar IPA 5.9% (A&H)
Great Heck - Yakima IPA 7.4% (A&H)
Greene King - Double Hop Monster IPA 7.2% (Aqua)
Green Mill - Delta Star IPA 5% (TP)
Gyle 59 - IPA 5.3% (unfined) (MD)
Hart - 1833 IPA 6.6% (bottled) (TP)
Harviestoun - Wild Hop IPA 5.2% (O Blue)
Hopcraft - Fault Line Black IPA 6.0% (Aqua)
Hopcraft - Ta Moko Black IPA 5.5% (Aqua)
Hopdeamon - Skrimshander IPA 4.5% (Wit)
Ironbridge - IPA 4% (OT)
Kent Brewery - Enigma Black IPA 5.5% (AL)
The Kernel - Citra IPA 6.2% (Sp)
Kernel - Simcoe IPA 7.9% (PoH)
Kinver - Khyber IPA 5.8% (Aqua)
Kirkstall - Dissolution 5% (OB)
Lincoln Green - Sheriffs IPA 5.5% (A1)
Magic Rock - Craft Magic 3.2% (PoH)
Marble - Dobber 5.9% (OB)
Marstons - Revisionist Dark IPA 4.8% (MD)
Milk Street - Gulp IPA 4.8% (MD)
Mordue - IPA 5.1% (MD)
Moor - Pacific IPA 6% (OB)
Navigation - Classic IPA 5.2% (A1)
Northern Monk - New World IPA (keg) 6.2% (TP)
Oakham - Green Devil IPA 6% (O Blue)
Off Beat - Out of Step IPA 5.8% (TP)
Old Dairy - Blue Top 4.8% (Wit)
Old Dairy - Hop Top Double 9% (RPA)
Orkney - Wayfarers IPA 5% (A1)
Penzance Brewing - IPA (BF)
Pheonix - West Coast IPA (TP)
Pixie Spring - Prince of Bengal IPA 5.5% (MD)
Portobello - Apache IPA 7% (Aqua)
Rat - King Rat (Sp)
RCH Hewish IPA (MD)
Red Squirrel - Jack Black 4.8% (MD)
Red Squirrel - Redwood American IPA (BF)
Redemption - Big Chief (PSM)
Redwillow - Shameless IPA (TP)
Ridgeside Southern Cross (TP)
Roosters - Anniversary IPA 6% (TP)
Roosters - Fort Smith 5% (MD)
Rother Valley - Northian Imperial Pale Ale NIPA 5% (MD)
Sharps - Atlantic IPA (MD)
Sierra Nevada - Torpedo IPA (Sp)
Siren Craft Brew - Liquid Mistress West Coast Red IPA (Aqua)
St Austell - Cornish IPA (TP)
St Austell - Proper Job (MD)
Stone - Ruination IPA (Sp)
Summer Wine - Diablo IPA (PSM)
Summer Wine - Kahuna (A&H)
Sunny Republic - Hop Dog (PSM)
Surrey Hills - Greensand IPA 4.6% (MD)
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA 5.9% (TP)
Thornbridge - Seaforth IPA (RobC)
Thwaites - Indus IPA (MD)
Tigertops - New Wave IPA 4.6% (A&H)
Tiny Rebel - Urban IPA (OT)
Titanic - Nine Tenths Below 5.9% (TP)
Tring - XL IPA (Mil)
Triple fff - Jabberwocky Black IPA 5% (Aqua)
Tryst - Carronade IPA 4.2% (TP)
Tryst - Raj IPA 5.5% (TP)
Twickenham - Black Eel IPA 5% (MD)
Wadsworths - Henrys IPA (A1)
Wantsun - IPA (OT)
Weird Beard - Hit the Lights 5.8% (MD)
Wensleydale - Decadence 5.3% (OB)
West Coast - IPA 6.3% (A&H)
Whim - Hartington IPA (A1)
Whitehorse Saracen IPA (MD)
Wild Card - Queen of Diamonds IPA 5.0% (Aqua)
Williams - Caesar Augustus Bottled 4.1% (TP)
Windor & Eton - Conqueror Black IPA (Aqua)
Windsor & Eton - Irish Conqueror Black IPA 5.8% (Aqua)
Yeovil - Posh IPA 5.4% (PSM, Aqua)

The Bad

Brains - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Greene King - IPA Gold (MD)
Greene King - IPA
Holts - IPA (A&H)
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
McMullen's - IPA (BF)
Phipps - NBC India Pale Ale (TP)
Sierra Nevada - Torpedo IPA (Wit)
St Austell - Podium IPA (TP)
Three Tuns - Clerics Cure BABOTW (MD)
Tring - XL IPA (TP)
Warwickshire Beer Company - Ballsitcher IPA 5% (TP)
Wells - Eagle IPA

The Nostalgic

Charringtons - IPA (ND)
Ridleys - IPA (Aqua)

The Unclassified

By The Horns - Black and White IPA (TM)

[Aqualung]

I'd like to add Clouded Minds Dolce Vita IPA (6.2%) to the good. After a slow start this brewery seem to be coming on nicely.

[aleandhearty]

As described in the BOTW thread, Hopcraft/Northern Monk Crafty Monk is an outstanding 5.7% red IPA. Malty to start but packed full of hops for a lasting bitterness. I've nominated it for A&H's F*****g Brilliant but since I enjoyed one with the man himself I'm happy to shift it down to Good if A&H thinks it isn't quite up to F*****g Brilliant.

No qualms from me, TP. More than happy for it to go in the FB category.

[Mobyduck]

One I thought I had added a while ago after trying it a few months ago at the Winchester beer festival but must have forgotten to add.
Salopian Automaton (http://www.salopianbrewery.co.uk/specials.php) 7%, It is or was worthy of FB status.

[Thuck Phat]

Updated with Aqua and MD's nominations above.

[Thuck Phat]

Another from me for the Good: Green Mill - Delta Star IPA at 5% and in good company in The Baum (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/55901/) this went down very well.
Added to the above list.

[aleandhearty]

As mentioned in the BOTW thread, Tigertops 'New Wave IPA' is definitely worthy of inclusion into the 'Good'.

[Thuck Phat]

As mentioned in the BOTW thread, Tigertops 'New Wave IPA' is definitely worthy of inclusion into the 'Good'.

Added.

[Mobyduck]

Another Acorn beer to add to the good list - Acorn Transatlantic IPA, using a mixture of Columbus and East Kent Goldings hops,a mix that worked for me.

[Aqualung]

I've come across one for the Bad list. It's Daleside Square Rigger IPA (4.5%) and is nothing more than an unremarkable mid ABV pale beer, It's currently on the Spoons guest list. I seem to recall their Old Leg Over being quite dull as well.

[Thuck Phat]

Updated for a new page.

A&H's F*****g Brilliant

Alchemy - Galaxy Burst IPA 5.3% (LC)
Blue Monkey - Ape Ale 5.4% (TP)
Darkstar - Green Hopped IPA 6.5% (PoH, MD)
Downton - Endeavour IPA 10% (TP)
Hopcraft/Northern Monk - Crafty Monk (red IPA) 5.7% (TP)
Hopcraft - The Beast 6.5% (Aqua)
Ilkley - Lotus IPA 5.6% (TP, A&H, BF)
London Fields - Shoreditch Triangle IPA 6% (Aqua, MD)
Marble - Lagonda IPA 5% (TP)
Oakham - Untouchable IPA 9% (TP)
Roosters/Odells - The Accomplice 5.7% (A&H)
Salopian - Automaton 7% (MD)
Salopian - Kashmir 5.5% (TP)
Signature Brew - Black Tongue 8.3% (MD)
Siren Craft - Ryezing Tide IPA 7.4% (MD)
Siren Craft - Soundwave 5.6% (MD, Aqua)

The Good

Acorn - Barnsley IPA 5% (Aqua)
Acorn - Calypso IPA 5% (OT)
Acorn - Millenium IPA 5% (TP)
Acorn - Santiam IPA 5% (O Blue)
Acorn - Scorachi IPA 5.5% (TP)
Acorn - Sybilla IPA 5% (TP)
Acorn - Transatlantic IPA 4.8% (MD)
Alchemy - Citra Burst IPA 5.4% (MD)
Alchemy - Dr. Rudi Burst 5.3% (MD)
Andwell - Red IPA 4.5% (MD)
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey 6.4% (TP)
Backyard - Penda Black IPA 5.5% (Aqua)
Banks/Green Flash - Citra Session IPA 4.5% (TP)
Beavertown - 8 Ball Rye IPA 6.2% (BF)
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA 5% (TP)
Blackjack - Black IPA 5.8% (BF)
Black Jack - Royal Flush 5% (TP)
Brains - IPA 3.4% (Mil)
Brewdog Hardcore IPA 9.2% (Sp)
Brew Dog - Punk IPA 5.6% (Keg) (TP)
Brodies - Dalston Black IPA 9% (Keykeg) (Aqua)
Brodies - Hackney Red IPA 6.1% (Keykeg) (Aqua)
Buxton - Axe Edge Double IPA 6.8% (PSM)
Canterbury - Loco IPA 3.9% (Wit)
Castle Rock - Screech Owl 5.5% (MD)
Clarence & Frederick - IPA 5.2% (Aqua)
Conwy - Riptide 4.3% (Aqua)
Clouded Minds - Black Pike IPA 6.1% (Aqua)
Clouded Minds - Dolce Vita IPA 6.2% (Aqua)
Clun - Citadel 5.9% (OT)
Crate - IPA 5.8% (MD)
Dancing Duck - Abduction IPA 5.5% (Dan B)
Darkstar - Belgian IPA Bottled 7.2% (MD)
Darkstar - Indian Summer IPA 6% (MD)
Elland - Big Dog IPA 4.9% (OT)
Fernandes - Motueka IPA 4.3% (A&H)
Fullers - Benghal Lancer 5% (TP)
Great Heck - Citra 4.5% (OB)
Great Heck - Shankar IPA 5.9% (A&H)
Great Heck - Yakima IPA 7.4% (A&H)
Greene King - Double Hop Monster IPA 7.2% (Aqua)
Green Mill - Delta Star IPA 5% (TP)
Gyle 59 - IPA 5.3% (unfined) (MD)
Hart - 1833 IPA 6.6% (bottled) (TP)
Harviestoun - Wild Hop IPA 5.2% (O Blue)
Highland Brewing Co. - Orkney IPA 4.8% (Aqua)
Hopcraft - Fault Line Black IPA 6.0% (Aqua)
Hopcraft - Ta Moko Black IPA 5.5% (Aqua)
Hopdeamon - Skrimshander IPA 4.5% (Wit)
Ironbridge - IPA 4% (OT)
Kent Brewery - Enigma Black IPA 5.5% (AL)
The Kernel - Citra IPA 6.2% (Sp)
Kernel - Simcoe IPA 7.9% (PoH)
Kinver - Khyber IPA 5.8% (Aqua)
Kirkstall - Dissolution 5% (OB)
Lincoln Green - Sheriffs IPA 5.5% (A1)
Magic Rock - Craft Magic 3.2% (PoH)
Marble - Dobber 5.9% (OB)
Marstons - Revisionist Dark IPA 4.8% (MD)
Milk Street - Gulp IPA 4.8% (MD)
Mordue - IPA 5.1% (MD)
Moor - Pacific IPA 6% (OB)
Navigation - Classic IPA 5.2% (A1)
Northern Monk - New World IPA (keg) 6.2% (TP)
Oakham - Green Devil IPA 6% (O Blue)
Off Beat - Out of Step IPA 5.8% (TP)
Old Dairy - Blue Top 4.8% (Wit)
Old Dairy - Hop Top Double 9% (RPA)
Orkney - Wayfarers IPA 5% (A1)
Penzance Brewing - IPA (BF)
Pheonix - West Coast IPA (TP)
Pixie Spring - Prince of Bengal IPA 5.5% (MD)
Portobello - Apache IPA 7% (Aqua)
Rat - King Rat (Sp)
RCH Hewish IPA (MD)
Red Squirrel - Jack Black 4.8% (MD)
Red Squirrel - Redwood American IPA (BF)
Redemption - Big Chief (PSM)
Redwillow - Shameless IPA (TP)
Ridgeside Southern Cross (TP)
Roosters - Anniversary IPA 6% (TP)
Roosters - Fort Smith 5% (MD)
Rother Valley - Northian Imperial Pale Ale NIPA 5% (MD)
Sharps - Atlantic IPA (MD)
Sierra Nevada - Torpedo IPA (Sp)
Siren Craft Brew - Liquid Mistress West Coast Red IPA (Aqua)
St Austell - Cornish IPA (TP)
St Austell - Proper Job (MD)
Stone - Ruination IPA (Sp)
Summer Wine - Diablo IPA (PSM)
Summer Wine - Kahuna (A&H)
Sunny Republic - Hop Dog 5.5% (PSM)
Surrey Hills - Greensand IPA 4.6% (MD)
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA 5.9% (TP)
Thornbridge - Seaforth IPA (RobC)
Thwaites - Indus IPA (MD)
Tigertops - New Wave IPA 4.6% (A&H)
Tiny Rebel - Urban IPA (OT)
Titanic - Nine Tenths Below 5.9% (TP)
Tring - XL IPA (Mil)
Triple fff - Jabberwocky Black IPA 5% (Aqua)
Tryst - Carronade IPA 4.2% (TP)
Tryst - Raj IPA 5.5% (TP)
Twickenham - Black Eel IPA 5% (MD)
Wadsworths - Henrys IPA (A1)
Wantsun - IPA (OT)
Weird Beard - Hit the Lights 5.8% (MD)
Wensleydale - Decadence 5.3% (OB)
West Coast - IPA 6.3% (A&H)
Whim - Hartington IPA (A1)
Whitehorse Saracen IPA (MD)
Wild Card - Queen of Diamonds IPA 5.0% (Aqua)
Williams - Caesar Augustus Bottled 4.1% (TP)
Windor & Eton - Conqueror Black IPA (Aqua)
Windsor & Eton - Irish Conqueror Black IPA 5.8% (Aqua)
Yeovil - Posh IPA 5.4% (PSM, Aqua)

The Bad

Brains - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Daleside - Square Rigger IPA 4.5% (Aqua)
Greene King - IPA Gold (MD)
Greene King - IPA
Holts - IPA (A&H)
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
McMullen's - IPA (BF)
Phipps - NBC India Pale Ale (TP)
Sierra Nevada - Torpedo IPA (Wit)
St Austell - Podium IPA (TP)
Three Tuns - Clerics Cure BABOTW (MD)
Tring - XL IPA (TP)
Warwickshire Beer Company - Ballsitcher IPA 5% (TP)
Wells - Eagle IPA

The Nostalgic

Charringtons - IPA (ND)
Ridleys - IPA (Aqua)

The Unclassified

By The Horns - Black and White IPA (TM)

[Mobyduck]

Another good (very good) one from Alchemy, Citra Burst IPA 5.4%.

[Thuck Phat]

Another good (very good) one from Alchemy, Citra Burst IPA 5.4%.

Updated above.

[Bucking Fastard]

I have to back up Aqualungs nomination in the good category of Clouded Minds Dolce Vita,at 6.2% dangerously quaffable yet rich and packed with hop action.I will keep an eye open for this micros output in future.

[Thuck Phat]

I enjoyed Banks/Green Flash Citra Session IPA. Brewed by Chuck Silva at Banks for 'spoons. 4.5%. Added to Good above.

[Aqualung]

I came across a couple for the Good list last week,
Highland Brewing Co. Orkney IPA 4.8%
Backyard Penda Black IPA 5.5%

[Thuck Phat]

I came across a couple for the Good list last week,
Highland Brewing Co. Orkney IPA 4.8%
Backyard Penda Black IPA 5.5%

Updated above.

[Aqualung]

I came across this one last week in Aberystwyth that should be well and truly entrenched in the BAD and that is Felinfoel IPA (3.6%).
I've never been a big fan of Feeling Foul beers even back in early CAMRA days when anything that wasn't from the big brewers was a treat. This stuff is thin and virtually tasteless with no hint of hops at all.

On the way back from Wales I managed to fit in an extended stop at the Great Western in Wolverhampton and found one for the good list, Redwillow Ageless IPA (7.2%). A classic stronger version of the style, I wish I had made time to have a second.

[Thuck Phat]

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A&H's F*****g Brilliant

Alchemy - Galaxy Burst IPA 5.3% (LC)
Blue Monkey - Ape Ale 5.4% (TP)
Darkstar - Green Hopped IPA 6.5% (PoH, MD)
Downton - Endeavour IPA 10% (TP)
Hopcraft/Northern Monk - Crafty Monk (red IPA) 5.7% (TP)
Hopcraft - The Beast 6.5% (Aqua)
Ilkley - Lotus IPA 5.6% (TP, A&H, BF)
London Fields - Shoreditch Triangle IPA 6% (Aqua, MD)
Marble - Lagonda IPA 5% (TP)
Oakham - Untouchable IPA 9% (TP)
Roosters/Odells - The Accomplice 5.7% (A&H)
Salopian - Automaton 7% (MD)
Salopian - Kashmir 5.5% (TP)
Signature Brew - Black Tongue 8.3% (MD)
Siren Craft - Ryezing Tide IPA 7.4% (MD)
Siren Craft - Soundwave 5.6% (MD, Aqua)

The Good

Acorn - Barnsley IPA 5% (Aqua)
Acorn - Calypso IPA 5% (OT)
Acorn - Millenium IPA 5% (TP)
Acorn - Santiam IPA 5% (O Blue)
Acorn - Scorachi IPA 5.5% (TP)
Acorn - Sybilla IPA 5% (TP)
Acorn - Transatlantic IPA 4.8% (MD)
Alchemy - Citra Burst IPA 5.4% (MD)
Alchemy - Dr. Rudi Burst 5.3% (MD)
Andwell - Red IPA 4.5% (MD)
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey 6.4% (TP)
Backyard - Penda Black IPA 5.5% (Aqua)
Banks/Green Flash - Citra Session IPA 4.5% (TP)
Beavertown - 8 Ball Rye IPA 6.2% (BF)
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA 5% (TP)
Blackjack - Black IPA 5.8% (BF)
Black Jack - Royal Flush 5% (TP)
Brains - IPA 3.4% (Mil)
Brewdog Hardcore IPA 9.2% (Sp)
Brew Dog - Punk IPA 5.6% (Keg) (TP)
Brodies - Dalston Black IPA 9% (Keykeg) (Aqua)
Brodies - Hackney Red IPA 6.1% (Keykeg) (Aqua)
Buxton - Axe Edge Double IPA 6.8% (PSM)
Canterbury - Loco IPA 3.9% (Wit)
Castle Rock - Screech Owl 5.5% (MD)
Clarence & Frederick - IPA 5.2% (Aqua)
Conwy - Riptide 4.3% (Aqua)
Clouded Minds - Black Pike IPA 6.1% (Aqua)
Clouded Minds - Dolce Vita IPA 6.2% (Aqua)
Clun - Citadel 5.9% (OT)
Crate - IPA 5.8% (MD)
Dancing Duck - Abduction IPA 5.5% (Dan B)
Darkstar - Belgian IPA Bottled 7.2% (MD)
Darkstar - Indian Summer IPA 6% (MD)
Elland - Big Dog IPA 4.9% (OT)
Fernandes - Motueka IPA 4.3% (A&H)
Fullers - Benghal Lancer 5% (TP)
Great Heck - Citra 4.5% (OB)
Great Heck - Shankar IPA 5.9% (A&H)
Great Heck - Yakima IPA 7.4% (A&H)
Greene King - Double Hop Monster IPA 7.2% (Aqua)
Green Mill - Delta Star IPA 5% (TP)
Gyle 59 - IPA 5.3% (unfined) (MD)
Hart - 1833 IPA 6.6% (bottled) (TP)
Harviestoun - Wild Hop IPA 5.2% (O Blue)
Highland Brewing Co. - Orkney IPA 4.8% (Aqua)
Hopcraft - Fault Line Black IPA 6.0% (Aqua)
Hopcraft - Ta Moko Black IPA 5.5% (Aqua)
Hopdeamon - Skrimshander IPA 4.5% (Wit)
Ironbridge - IPA 4% (OT)
Itchen Valley - IPA 5% (TP)
Kent Brewery - Enigma Black IPA 5.5% (AL)
The Kernel - Citra IPA 6.2% (Sp)
Kernel - Simcoe IPA 7.9% (PoH)
Kinver - Khyber IPA 5.8% (Aqua)
Kirkstall - Dissolution 5% (OB)
Lincoln Green - Sheriffs IPA 5.5% (A1)
Magic Rock - Craft Magic 3.2% (PoH)
Marble - Dobber 5.9% (OB)
Marstons - Revisionist Dark IPA 4.8% (MD)
Milk Street - Gulp IPA 4.8% (MD)
Mordue - IPA 5.1% (MD)
Moor - Pacific IPA 6% (OB)
Navigation - Classic IPA 5.2% (A1)
Northern Monk - New World IPA (keg) 6.2% (TP)
Oakham - Green Devil IPA 6% (O Blue)
Off Beat - Out of Step IPA 5.8% (TP)
Old Dairy - Blue Top 4.8% (Wit)
Old Dairy - Hop Top Double 9% (RPA)
Orkney - Wayfarers IPA 5% (A1)
Penzance Brewing - IPA (BF)
Pheonix - West Coast IPA (TP)
Pixie Spring - Prince of Bengal IPA 5.5% (MD)
Portobello - Apache IPA 7% (Aqua)
Rat - King Rat (Sp)
RCH Hewish IPA (MD)
Red Squirrel - Jack Black 4.8% (MD)
Red Squirrel - Redwood American IPA (BF)
Redemption - Big Chief (PSM)
Redwillow - Ageless IPA 7.2% (Aqua)
Redwillow - Shameless IPA 5.9% (TP)
Ridgeside Southern Cross (TP)
Roosters - Anniversary IPA 6% (TP)
Roosters - Fort Smith 5% (MD)
Rother Valley - Northian Imperial Pale Ale NIPA 5% (MD)
Sharps - Atlantic IPA (MD)
Sierra Nevada - Torpedo IPA (Sp)
Siren Craft Brew - Liquid Mistress West Coast Red IPA (Aqua)
St Austell - Cornish IPA (TP)
St Austell - Proper Job (MD)
Stone - Ruination IPA (Sp)
Summer Wine - Diablo IPA (PSM)
Summer Wine - Kahuna (A&H)
Sunny Republic - Hop Dog 5.5% (PSM)
Surrey Hills - Greensand IPA 4.6% (MD)
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA 5.9% (TP)
Thornbridge - Seaforth IPA (RobC)
Thwaites - Indus IPA (MD)
Tigertops - New Wave IPA 4.6% (A&H)
Tiny Rebel - Urban IPA (OT)
Titanic - Nine Tenths Below 5.9% (TP)
Tring - XL IPA (Mil)
Triple fff - Jabberwocky Black IPA 5% (Aqua)
Tryst - Carronade IPA 4.2% (TP)
Tryst - Raj IPA 5.5% (TP)
Twickenham - Black Eel IPA 5% (MD)
Wadsworths - Henrys IPA (A1)
Wantsun - IPA (OT)
Weird Beard - Hit the Lights 5.8% (MD)
Wensleydale - Decadence 5.3% (OB)
West Coast - IPA 6.3% (A&H)
Whim - Hartington IPA (A1)
Whitehorse Saracen IPA (MD)
Wild Card - Queen of Diamonds IPA 5.0% (Aqua)
Williams - Caesar Augustus Bottled 4.1% (TP)
Windor & Eton - Conqueror Black IPA (Aqua)
Windsor & Eton - Irish Conqueror Black IPA 5.8% (Aqua)
Yeovil - Posh IPA 5.4% (PSM, Aqua)

The Bad

Brains - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Daleside - Square Rigger IPA 4.5% (Aqua)
Felinfoel - IPA 3.5% (Aqua)
Greene King - IPA Gold (MD)
Greene King - IPA
Holts - IPA (A&H)
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
McMullen's - IPA (BF)
Phipps - NBC India Pale Ale (TP)
Sierra Nevada - Torpedo IPA (Wit)
St Austell - Podium IPA (TP)
Three Tuns - Clerics Cure BABOTW (MD)
Tring - XL IPA (TP)
Warwickshire Beer Company - Ballsitcher IPA 5% (TP)
Wells - Eagle IPA

The Nostalgic

Charringtons - IPA (ND)
Ridleys - IPA (Aqua)

The Unclassified

By The Horns - Black and White IPA (TM)

[Thuck Phat]

I enjoyed Itchen Valley IPA very much. Into Good above.

[Aqualung]

Yet another one from Acorn! Their Thunderstruck Black IPA was superb at the Bell in E17 yesterday evening. It was so good I stayed for three.

[aleandhearty]

Yet another one from Acorn! Their Thunderstruck Black IPA was superb at the Bell in E17 yesterday evening. It was so good I stayed for three.

Acorn is definitely one of my 'go to' breweries, will always try one of their beers if it's on the pumps. Fortunately, they're only about eight miles down the road from me.

[Thuck Phat]

I tried an Everards Regimental IPA, their stab at the IPA style. It's tricky this because it isn't a bad drink, a bit like Tiger on steroids, but I detected very little in the way of IPA characteristics other than colour and strength. It was also knocked into a cocked hat by a very well kept pint of Landlord. On that basis I struggle to call it Good, it's probably an indifferent but is going into Bad as we don't have an indifferent category. I am very happy to move it if anyone else has strong views.

A&H's F*****g Brilliant

Alchemy - Galaxy Burst IPA 5.3% (LC)
Blue Monkey - Ape Ale 5.4% (TP)
Darkstar - Green Hopped IPA 6.5% (PoH, MD)
Downton - Endeavour IPA 10% (TP)
Hopcraft/Northern Monk - Crafty Monk (red IPA) 5.7% (TP)
Hopcraft - The Beast 6.5% (Aqua)
Ilkley - Lotus IPA 5.6% (TP, A&H, BF)
London Fields - Shoreditch Triangle IPA 6% (Aqua, MD)
Marble - Lagonda IPA 5% (TP)
Oakham - Untouchable IPA 9% (TP)
Roosters/Odells - The Accomplice 5.7% (A&H)
Salopian - Automaton 7% (MD)
Salopian - Kashmir 5.5% (TP)
Signature Brew - Black Tongue 8.3% (MD)
Siren Craft - Ryezing Tide IPA 7.4% (MD)
Siren Craft - Soundwave 5.6% (MD, Aqua)

The Good

Acorn - Barnsley IPA 5% (Aqua)
Acorn - Calypso IPA 5% (OT)
Acorn - Millenium IPA 5% (TP)
Acorn - Santiam IPA 5% (O Blue)
Acorn - Scorachi IPA 5.5% (TP)
Acorn - Sybilla IPA 5% (TP)
Acorn - Thunder Struck Black IPA 5.7% (Aqua)
Acorn - Transatlantic IPA 4.8% (MD)
Alchemy - Citra Burst IPA 5.4% (MD)
Alchemy - Dr. Rudi Burst 5.3% (MD)
Andwell - Red IPA 4.5% (MD)
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey 6.4% (TP)
Backyard - Penda Black IPA 5.5% (Aqua)
Banks/Green Flash - Citra Session IPA 4.5% (TP)
Beavertown - 8 Ball Rye IPA 6.2% (BF)
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA 5% (TP)
Blackjack - Black IPA 5.8% (BF)
Black Jack - Royal Flush 5% (TP)
Brains - IPA 3.4% (Mil)
Brewdog Hardcore IPA 9.2% (Sp)
Brew Dog - Punk IPA 5.6% (Keg) (TP)
Brodies - Dalston Black IPA 9% (Keykeg) (Aqua)
Brodies - Hackney Red IPA 6.1% (Keykeg) (Aqua)
Buxton - Axe Edge Double IPA 6.8% (PSM)
Canterbury - Loco IPA 3.9% (Wit)
Castle Rock - Screech Owl 5.5% (MD)
Clarence & Frederick - IPA 5.2% (Aqua)
Conwy - Riptide 4.3% (Aqua)
Clouded Minds - Black Pike IPA 6.1% (Aqua)
Clouded Minds - Dolce Vita IPA 6.2% (Aqua)
Clun - Citadel 5.9% (OT)
Crate - IPA 5.8% (MD)
Dancing Duck - Abduction IPA 5.5% (Dan B)
Darkstar - Belgian IPA Bottled 7.2% (MD)
Darkstar - Indian Summer IPA 6% (MD)
Elland - Big Dog IPA 4.9% (OT)
Fernandes - Motueka IPA 4.3% (A&H)
Fullers - Benghal Lancer 5% (TP)
Great Heck - Citra 4.5% (OB)
Great Heck - Shankar IPA 5.9% (A&H)
Great Heck - Yakima IPA 7.4% (A&H)
Greene King - Double Hop Monster IPA 7.2% (Aqua)
Green Mill - Delta Star IPA 5% (TP)
Gyle 59 - IPA 5.3% (unfined) (MD)
Hart - 1833 IPA 6.6% (bottled) (TP)
Harviestoun - Wild Hop IPA 5.2% (O Blue)
Highland Brewing Co. - Orkney IPA 4.8% (Aqua)
Hopcraft - Fault Line Black IPA 6.0% (Aqua)
Hopcraft - Ta Moko Black IPA 5.5% (Aqua)
Hopdeamon - Skrimshander IPA 4.5% (Wit)
Ironbridge - IPA 4% (OT)
Itchen Valley - IPA 5% (TP)
Kent Brewery - Enigma Black IPA 5.5% (AL)
The Kernel - Citra IPA 6.2% (Sp)
Kernel - Simcoe IPA 7.9% (PoH)
Kinver - Khyber IPA 5.8% (Aqua)
Kirkstall - Dissolution 5% (OB)
Lincoln Green - Sheriffs IPA 5.5% (A1)
Magic Rock - Craft Magic 3.2% (PoH)
Marble - Dobber 5.9% (OB)
Marstons - Revisionist Dark IPA 4.8% (MD)
Milk Street - Gulp IPA 4.8% (MD)
Mordue - IPA 5.1% (MD)
Moor - Pacific IPA 6% (OB)
Navigation - Classic IPA 5.2% (A1)
Northern Monk - New World IPA (keg) 6.2% (TP)
Oakham - Green Devil IPA 6% (O Blue)
Off Beat - Out of Step IPA 5.8% (TP)
Old Dairy - Blue Top 4.8% (Wit)
Old Dairy - Hop Top Double 9% (RPA)
Orkney - Wayfarers IPA 5% (A1)
Penzance Brewing - IPA (BF)
Pheonix - West Coast IPA (TP)
Pixie Spring - Prince of Bengal IPA 5.5% (MD)
Portobello - Apache IPA 7% (Aqua)
Rat - King Rat (Sp)
RCH Hewish IPA (MD)
Red Squirrel - Jack Black 4.8% (MD)
Red Squirrel - Redwood American IPA (BF)
Redemption - Big Chief (PSM)
Redwillow - Ageless IPA 7.2% (Aqua)
Redwillow - Shameless IPA 5.9% (TP)
Ridgeside Southern Cross (TP)
Roosters - Anniversary IPA 6% (TP)
Roosters - Fort Smith 5% (MD)
Rother Valley - Northian Imperial Pale Ale NIPA 5% (MD)
Sharps - Atlantic IPA (MD)
Sierra Nevada - Torpedo IPA (Sp)
Siren Craft Brew - Liquid Mistress West Coast Red IPA (Aqua)
St Austell - Cornish IPA (TP)
St Austell - Proper Job (MD)
Stone - Ruination IPA (Sp)
Summer Wine - Diablo IPA (PSM)
Summer Wine - Kahuna (A&H)
Sunny Republic - Hop Dog 5.5% (PSM)
Surrey Hills - Greensand IPA 4.6% (MD)
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA 5.9% (TP)
Thornbridge - Seaforth IPA (RobC)
Thwaites - Indus IPA (MD)
Tigertops - New Wave IPA 4.6% (A&H)
Tiny Rebel - Urban IPA (OT)
Titanic - Nine Tenths Below 5.9% (TP)
Tring - XL IPA (Mil)
Triple fff - Jabberwocky Black IPA 5% (Aqua)
Tryst - Carronade IPA 4.2% (TP)
Tryst - Raj IPA 5.5% (TP)
Twickenham - Black Eel IPA 5% (MD)
Wadsworths - Henrys IPA (A1)
Wantsun - IPA (OT)
Weird Beard - Hit the Lights 5.8% (MD)
Wensleydale - Decadence 5.3% (OB)
West Coast - IPA 6.3% (A&H)
Whim - Hartington IPA (A1)
Whitehorse Saracen IPA (MD)
Wild Card - Queen of Diamonds IPA 5.0% (Aqua)
Williams - Caesar Augustus Bottled 4.1% (TP)
Windor & Eton - Conqueror Black IPA (Aqua)
Windsor & Eton - Irish Conqueror Black IPA 5.8% (Aqua)
Yeovil - Posh IPA 5.4% (PSM, Aqua)

The Bad

Brains - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Daleside - Square Rigger IPA 4.5% (Aqua)
Everards - Regimental IPA 5% (TP)
Felinfoel - IPA 3.5% (Aqua)
Greene King - IPA Gold (MD)
Greene King - IPA
Holts - IPA (A&H)
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
McMullen's - IPA (BF)
Phipps - NBC India Pale Ale (TP)
Sierra Nevada - Torpedo IPA (Wit)
St Austell - Podium IPA (TP)
Three Tuns - Clerics Cure BABOTW (MD)
Tring - XL IPA (TP)
Warwickshire Beer Company - Ballsitcher IPA 5% (TP)
Wells - Eagle IPA

The Nostalgic

Charringtons - IPA (ND)
Ridleys - IPA (Aqua)

The Unclassified

By The Horns - Black and White IPA (TM)

[Aqualung]

I tried an Everards Regimental IPA, their stab at the IPA style. It's tricky this because it isn't a bad drink, a bit like Tiger on steroids, but I detected very little in the way of IPA characteristics other than colour and strength. It was also knocked into a cocked hat by a very well kept pint of Landlord. On that basis I struggle to call it Good, it's probably an indifferent but is going into Bad as we don't have an indifferent category. I am very happy to move it if anyone else has strong views.



I agree with you about the Regimental IPA, it's Turbo Tiger or a variation on their Original (aka Old Original). I wouldn't call it bad but the use of the term IPA is misleading as it's just a strong bitter. It was one of the beers in the Spoons fest before last.
I certainly don't have any strong feelings about moving it into good.

[Mobyduck]

I tried an Everards Regimental IPA, their stab at the IPA style. It's tricky this because it isn't a bad drink, a bit like Tiger on steroids, but I detected very little in the way of IPA characteristics other than colour and strength. It was also knocked into a cocked hat by a very well kept pint of Landlord. On that basis I struggle to call it Good, it's probably an indifferent but is going into Bad as we don't have an indifferent category. I am very happy to move it if anyone else has strong views.
I think ,if its not too much hassle, an indifferent category would be good, hang on a minute ! :confused:, if you follow my drift, I can think of one of my goods,Andwell Red IPA, is not bad but really much more indifferent than good, and doesn't stand up to many of the other residents in the same section.

[london calling]

I think ,if its not too much hassle, an indifferent category would be good, hang on a minute ! :confused:, if you follow my drift, I can think of one of my goods,Andwell Red IPA, is not bad but really much more indifferent than good, and doesn't stand up to many of the other residents in the same section.

NO.You cant have an indifferent category because every IPA would fit into some category.Have you ever saw a list of MY TOP TEN AVERAGE BEERS .NO.we already have a confusing list.
Williams -caeser augustus (its a lager imo)
roosters -fort smith (its a golden /blonde beer imo)
sierra nev -torpedo ipa (in both great and shit lists imo one of the great ipa,s but I don't vote on ipa,s so it doesn't matter what I think.
yeah and Moby I think you should reconsider Andwell -red ipa but if you caught it on a good night which I didn't. maybe. cheers john
SORRyY QUINNO FOR THE USE OF SO MANY CAPITALS.

[london calling]

Just remembered one for the crap list Harveys -ipa 3.2 a half bought but only a third forced down in the Still and Star Aldgate London on Tuesday night.Am amazed that people think this is a good brewer.

[Mobyduck]

Am amazed that people think this is a good brewer. I personally don't think they are as good as they are cracked up to be, but I do like their Mild.


NO.You cant have an indifferent category because every IPA would fit into some category.Have you ever saw a list of MY TOP TEN AVERAGE BEERS .NO.we already have a confusing list.
Williams -caeser augustus (its a lager imo)
roosters -fort smith (its a golden /blonde beer imo)
sierra nev -torpedo ipa (in both great and shit lists imo one of the great ipa,s but I don't vote on ipa,s so it doesn't matter what I think.
yeah and Moby I think you should reconsider Andwell -red ipa but if you caught it on a good night which I didn't. maybe. cheers john
SORRyY QUINNO FOR THE USE OF SO MANY CAPITALS.
Not surprised you find the list confusing at 2:00 in the morning. :D . Re the Andwells, I don't like the brewery at all,bland and unimaginative . The beer in question was in good nick and I couldn't call it bad, but am struggling to call it good. SO LET ME HAVE AN INDIFFERENT CATEGORY. :lol: . Sorry Quinno. :o

[rpadam]

Just remembered one for the crap list Harveys -ipa 3.2 a half bought but only a third forced down in the Still and Star Aldgate London on Tuesday night.Am amazed that people think this is a good brewer.
I'm not sure what you normally expect from a 3.5% beer, but I had a quick one in the Still & Star on Friday (when I was looking for a reasonable session beer before moving on) and thought it a pretty good pint for its strength.

[Mobyduck]

I'm not sure what you normally expect from a 3.5% beer, but I had a quick one in the Still & Star on Friday (when I was looking for a reasonable session beer before moving on) and thought it a pretty good pint for its strength.
Not tried it but the point being is at that strength ,its not a true IPA.

[london calling]

I'm not sure what you normally expect from a 3.5% beer, but I had a quick one in the Still & Star on Friday (when I was looking for a reasonable session beer before moving on) and thought it a pretty good pint for its strength.

Maybe I was expecting too much from an IPA such as hop flavour.When I am wandering round London I tend to get a lot of big bold flavoured beer (not always a good thing) so a session ipa can and did in this case disappoint. cheers

[rpadam]

Not tried it but the point being is at that strength ,its not a true IPA.
A "true IPA" - now the meaning of that is something that people have been arguing about for decades...

[Aqualung]

A "true IPA" - now the meaning of that is something that people have been arguing about for decades...

And that's just on this forum! Is IPA a craft beer?

[Aqualung]

I've one for the bad list Mighty Oak IPA at a pathetic 3.5%. It's just a very average low ABV beer from a brewery I have found very overrated. Their Oscar Wilde is a decent drink but I don't recall anything else from them impressing me.

I'm against an indifferent category for what it's worth, just dump it in bad!!!

[Thuck Phat]

Updated

A&H's F*****g Brilliant

Alchemy - Galaxy Burst IPA 5.3% (LC)
Blue Monkey - Ape Ale 5.4% (TP)
Darkstar - Green Hopped IPA 6.5% (PoH, MD)
Downton - Endeavour IPA 10% (TP)
Hopcraft/Northern Monk - Crafty Monk (red IPA) 5.7% (TP)
Hopcraft - The Beast 6.5% (Aqua)
Ilkley - Lotus IPA 5.6% (TP, A&H, BF)
London Fields - Shoreditch Triangle IPA 6% (Aqua, MD)
Marble - Lagonda IPA 5% (TP)
Oakham - Untouchable IPA 9% (TP)
Roosters/Odells - The Accomplice 5.7% (A&H)
Salopian - Automaton 7% (MD)
Salopian - Kashmir 5.5% (TP)
Signature Brew - Black Tongue 8.3% (MD)
Siren Craft - Ryezing Tide IPA 7.4% (MD)
Siren Craft - Soundwave 5.6% (MD, Aqua)

The Good

Acorn - Barnsley IPA 5% (Aqua)
Acorn - Calypso IPA 5% (OT)
Acorn - Millenium IPA 5% (TP)
Acorn - Santiam IPA 5% (O Blue)
Acorn - Scorachi IPA 5.5% (TP)
Acorn - Sybilla IPA 5% (TP)
Acorn - Thunder Struck Black IPA 5.7% (Aqua)
Acorn - Transatlantic IPA 4.8% (MD)
Alchemy - Citra Burst IPA 5.4% (MD)
Alchemy - Dr. Rudi Burst 5.3% (MD)
Andwell - Red IPA 4.5% (MD)
Art Brew - Monkey and Spanked Monkey 6.4% (TP)
Backyard - Penda Black IPA 5.5% (Aqua)
Banks/Green Flash - Citra Session IPA 4.5% (TP)
Beavertown - 8 Ball Rye IPA 6.2% (BF)
Bingham - Space Hoppy IPA 5% (TP)
Blackjack - Black IPA 5.8% (BF)
Black Jack - Royal Flush 5% (TP)
Brains - IPA 3.4% (Mil)
Brewdog Hardcore IPA 9.2% (Sp)
Brew Dog - Punk IPA 5.6% (Keg) (TP)
Brodies - Dalston Black IPA 9% (Keykeg) (Aqua)
Brodies - Hackney Red IPA 6.1% (Keykeg) (Aqua)
Buxton - Axe Edge Double IPA 6.8% (PSM)
Canterbury - Loco IPA 3.9% (Wit)
Castle Rock - Screech Owl 5.5% (MD)
Clarence & Frederick - IPA 5.2% (Aqua)
Conwy - Riptide 4.3% (Aqua)
Clouded Minds - Black Pike IPA 6.1% (Aqua)
Clouded Minds - Dolce Vita IPA 6.2% (Aqua)
Clun - Citadel 5.9% (OT)
Crate - IPA 5.8% (MD)
Dancing Duck - Abduction IPA 5.5% (Dan B)
Darkstar - Belgian IPA Bottled 7.2% (MD)
Darkstar - Indian Summer IPA 6% (MD)
Elland - Big Dog IPA 4.9% (OT)
Fernandes - Motueka IPA 4.3% (A&H)
Fullers - Benghal Lancer 5% (TP)
Great Heck - Citra 4.5% (OB)
Great Heck - Shankar IPA 5.9% (A&H)
Great Heck - Yakima IPA 7.4% (A&H)
Greene King - Double Hop Monster IPA 7.2% (Aqua)
Green Mill - Delta Star IPA 5% (TP)
Gyle 59 - IPA 5.3% (unfined) (MD)
Hart - 1833 IPA 6.6% (bottled) (TP)
Harviestoun - Wild Hop IPA 5.2% (O Blue)
Highland Brewing Co. - Orkney IPA 4.8% (Aqua)
Hopcraft - Fault Line Black IPA 6.0% (Aqua)
Hopcraft - Ta Moko Black IPA 5.5% (Aqua)
Hopdeamon - Skrimshander IPA 4.5% (Wit)
Hop Stuff - Renegade 5.5% (Aqua)
Ironbridge - IPA 4% (OT)
Itchen Valley - IPA 5% (TP)
Kent Brewery - Enigma Black IPA 5.5% (AL)
The Kernel - Citra IPA 6.2% (Sp)
Kernel - Simcoe IPA 7.9% (PoH)
Kingstone - Humpty's Fuddle IPA 5.8% (bottled) (A1)
Kinver - Khyber IPA 5.8% (Aqua)
Kirkstall - Dissolution 5% (OB)
Lincoln Green - Sheriffs IPA 5.5% (A1)
Magic Rock - Craft Magic 3.2% (PoH)
Marble - Dobber 5.9% (OB)
Marstons - Revisionist Dark IPA 4.8% (MD)
Milk Street - Gulp IPA 4.8% (MD)
Mordue - IPA 5.1% (MD)
Moor - Pacific IPA 6% (OB)
Navigation - Classic IPA 5.2% (A1)
Northern Monk - New World IPA (keg) 6.2% (TP)
Oakham - Green Devil IPA 6% (O Blue)
Off Beat - Out of Step IPA 5.8% (TP)
Old Dairy - Blue Top 4.8% (Wit)
Old Dairy - Hop Top Double 9% (RPA)
Orkney - Wayfarers IPA 5% (A1)
Penzance Brewing - IPA (BF)
Pheonix - West Coast IPA (TP)
Phipps NBC - Gold Star 5.2% (TP)
Pixie Spring - Prince of Bengal IPA 5.5% (MD)
Portobello - Apache IPA 7% (Aqua)
Rat - King Rat (Sp)
RCH Hewish IPA (MD)
Red Squirrel - Jack Black 4.8% (MD)
Red Squirrel - Redwood American IPA (BF)
Redemption - Big Chief (PSM)
Redwillow - Ageless IPA 7.2% (Aqua)
Redwillow - Shameless IPA 5.9% (TP)
Ridgeside Southern Cross (TP)
Roosters - Anniversary IPA 6% (TP)
Roosters - Fort Smith 5% (MD)
Rother Valley - Northian Imperial Pale Ale NIPA 5% (MD)
Sharps - Atlantic IPA (MD)
Sierra Nevada - Torpedo IPA (Sp)
Siren Craft Brew - Liquid Mistress West Coast Red IPA (Aqua)
St Austell - Cornish IPA (TP)
St Austell - Proper Job (MD)
Stone - Ruination IPA (Sp)
Summer Wine - Diablo IPA (PSM)
Summer Wine - Kahuna (A&H)
Sunny Republic - Hop Dog 5.5% (PSM)
Surrey Hills - Greensand IPA 4.6% (MD)
Thornbridge - Jaipur IPA 5.9% (TP)
Thornbridge - Seaforth IPA (RobC)
Thwaites - Indus IPA (MD)
Tigertops - New Wave IPA 4.6% (A&H)
Tiny Rebel - Urban IPA (OT)
Titanic - Nine Tenths Below 5.9% (TP)
Tring - XL IPA (Mil)
Triple fff - Jabberwocky Black IPA 5% (Aqua)
Tryst - Carronade IPA 4.2% (TP)
Tryst - Raj IPA 5.5% (TP)
Twickenham - Black Eel IPA 5% (MD)
Wadsworths - Henrys IPA (A1)
Wantsun - IPA (OT)
Weird Beard - Hit the Lights 5.8% (MD)
Wensleydale - Decadence 5.3% (OB)
West Coast - IPA 6.3% (A&H)
Whim - Hartington IPA (A1)
Whitehorse Saracen IPA (MD)
Wild Card - Queen of Diamonds IPA 5.0% (Aqua)
Williams - Caesar Augustus Bottled 4.1% (TP)
Windor & Eton - Conqueror Black IPA (Aqua)
Windsor & Eton - Irish Conqueror Black IPA 5.8% (Aqua)
Yeovil - Posh IPA 5.4% (PSM, Aqua)

The Bad

Brains - IPA
Caledonian - Deuchars IPA
Daleside - Square Rigger IPA 4.5% (Aqua)
Everards - Regimental IPA 5% (TP)
Felinfoel - IPA 3.5% (Aqua)
Greene King - IPA Gold (MD)
Greene King - IPA
Harveys - IPA 3.2% (LC)
Holts - IPA (A&H)
Marlow - Rebellion IPA
McMullen's - IPA (BF)
Mighty Oak - IPA 3.5% (Aqua)
Phipps - NBC India Pale Ale (TP)
Sierra Nevada - Torpedo IPA (Wit)
St Austell - Podium IPA (TP)
Three Tuns - Clerics Cure BABOTW (MD)
Tring - XL IPA (TP)
Warwickshire Beer Company - Ballsitcher IPA 5% (TP)
Wells - Eagle IPA

The Nostalgic

Charringtons - IPA (ND)
Ridleys - IPA (Aqua)

The Unclassified

By The Horns - Black and White IPA (TM)

[Al 10000]

Another IPA for the good list is Kingstone, Humptys Fuddle IPA tried in bottle, very nice and smooth to drink and at a decent 5.8%,a christmas present along with two other bottled beers from the brewery.

[Thuck Phat]

Another IPA for the good list is Kingstone, Humptys Fuddle IPA tried in bottle, very nice and smooth to drink and at a decent 5.8%,a christmas present along with two other bottled beers from the brewery.

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[Aqualung]

A London one for the good,

Hop Stuff Renegade IPA 5.5%

Like other newer breweries I would say their beers seem to be steadily improving.

[Thuck Phat]

A Good one from me:
Phipps NBC Gold Star at 5.2%. Apparently brewed according to their WW1 IPA recipe.

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