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Hi Conrad.. I want to point out corrections..
Coleshill, Warwickshire.. Should be upgraded from Village to Town.
Remove Edgbaston from Warwickshire (They are in Birmingham)
These towns/Village should transfer from Staffordshire to Warwickshire..
Kingsbury
No Man's Heath
Polesworth
Dordon
Newton Regis
Birchmoor
Warton
Piccadilly
I know their postcode same as Tamworth, Staffordshire but they are actually in Warwickshire.
Galore Admin
19-11-2009, 12:55
Hi Hopwas,
Rule on towns is they have to be UK post towns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_post_towns_in_the_United_Kingdom). So Coleshill will have to petition the Royal Mail ;).
I have moved Edgbaston to be part of Birmingham (I have no idea why that was a town), but still in Warwickshire, let me know if that is wrong.
All the villages you mention are in Warwickshire, with the exception of No Man's Heath which is in Leicestershire? If you look at one of them Piccadilly (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/towns/piccadilly/warwickshire/) for instance, the breadcrumb across the screen tells you its location, so England > Warwickshire > Tamworth > Piccadilly. In Staffordshire (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/counties/staffordshire/) it is shown under Tamworth as that is its postal town, in Warwickshire (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/counties/warwickshire/) it is shown as a village at the bottom. In this way users should be able to find it either way they go about finding it.
Hope that helps
Hi!
I can assure you No Man's Heath is in Warwickshire.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Man%27s_Heath_(four_counties) I should know as I live about 7 miles away.
Bit harsh on Coleshill's status! They have been town since Medieval times but I respect "UK Post Town" rules. Coleshill residents wont be pleased to hear their town listed as "Village" on PG!
On Edgbaston.. have a look at this map.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgbaston Nowhere near Warwickshire! :D
As for Staffordshire/Warwickshire.. thats fine by me, just bit confusing for me thats all!
Thanks for your time
Ian
Galore Admin
20-11-2009, 11:34
Ok I have moved No Man's Heath (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/towns/no-mans-heath/warwickshire/) to Warwickshire. I think it is understandable me not being sure (Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Man%27s_Heath_%28four_counties%29))
Today a small village exists there, also called No Man's Heath. The county boundary which used to divide the village between Leicester and Warwickshire has been re-drawn to place the whole village in Warwickshire.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Man%27s_Heath_%28four_counties%29#cite_note-0) The village pub (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_house) is appropriately called The Four Counties Inn.
Leicestershire, Warwickshire, and Staffordshire meet about half a mile (800 m) north west of the village and Derbyshire, Leicestershire, and Staffordshire meet a further half mile north west. There is an ancient (probably Mercian) stone, divided into four parts, which may mark the point where the four counties met before boundary adjustments. :)
If Coleshill can come up with a system that clearly tells me what a Town (http://forums.pubsgalore.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492) is and provide a list of all Localities that comply, then I will still leave them as a sub-district as this site is about PUBS. :moremad: ;)
I have deleted Edgbaston, it was just confusing issues as it had no pubs in it anyway, someone can add it when it gets something of value to do with the West Midlands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warwickshire_CCC) in it.:p
Conrad
Didint realise it was big deal about counties arguments! Ok I'll leave Coleshill as it was. (Althrough I still think I am right :rolleyes:)
Warwickshire CCC is unique among cricket counties as they are only first class county team dont play their games in their own county! Middlesex CCC still exists but county of Middlesex no longer (Middlesex dissolved in 1960's)
Gloucestershire CCC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloucestershire_CCC) mostly plays at Nevil Road, Bristol. Nevil Road, Bristol is not in Gloucestershire, it was in Avon and now is in Bristol.
I am not even cricket fan and I know that :p
Thanks Dave
Gloucestershire CCC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloucestershire_CCC) mostly plays at Nevil Road, Bristol. Nevil Road, Bristol is not in Gloucestershire, it was in Avon and now is in Bristol.
I am not even cricket fan and I know that :p
Thanks Dave
:) Iam surprised of your "cricketing" knowledge!
However they do occasionally play in Cheltenham and Gloucester itself which both are in Gloucestershire.
Warwickshire CCC havent played in Warwickshire since early 1980's and they play all home games in West Midlands.
oldboots
20-11-2009, 15:30
Bristol is not in Gloucestershire, it was in Avon and now is in Bristol.
When I were a lad there was no "county" of Avon, I believe Bristol north of the R. Avon was in Gloucestershire and Bristol south of the river was in Somerset. Same thing with Hampshire CC, they play (ed?) at Bournemouth now firmly in Dorset or Lancashire at Old Trafford now in Greater Manchester or our old friend Edgbaston in West Midlands.
Blame that Ted Heath for messing on with the old boundaries for political advantage. :moremad:
I was glossing over the before Avon bit. Have to say for our purposes on the PG site, Avon was far easier than any of the other variations as it allowed us to avoid problems with Bristol sprawling through multiple counties :mad:
Hampshire CC, they play (ed?) at Bournemouth now firmly in Dorset
Indeed they played at Dean Park, Bournemouth for many years before permanently moved to Rose Bowl, Southampton. Bournemouth was originally part of Hampshire before Heath decided to mess about in 1974!
Lancashire play at Liverpool and Southport which is in Merseyside once a year.
Soup Dragon
20-11-2009, 21:08
If Coleshill [URL="http://forums.pubsgalore.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492"]can come up with a system that clearly tells me what a Town
To be 'a town', a settlement was required to have a market charter, and i can tell you that King John granted such a charter to Coleshill in 1207 - not one of his better known charters to be fair (Liverpool perhaps being so).
I trust this will not require a major re-write, Conrad. If so, sorry:p
To be 'a town', a settlement was required to have a market charter, and i can tell you that King John granted such a charter to Coleshill in 1207 - not one of his better known charters to be fair (Liverpool perhaps being so).
I trust this will not require a major re-write, Conrad. If so, sorry:p
At last someone on my side! :D
I know it is in air whether Coleshill is Town or not but I know Coleshill is a town..
Conrad's ruling on town's status based on UK Postal Towns is bit pain in ass (sorry Conrad! :o)
Soup Dragon
20-11-2009, 21:33
I await Conrad's F*** Off, Soupy;)
I await Conrad's F*** Off, Soupy;)
Iam sweating on Conrad's response... get me full of riot gear!!! :eek:
To be 'a town', a settlement was required to have a market charter, and i can tell you that King John granted such a charter to Coleshill in 1207
And back in 1207 Coleshill was a town on Pubs Galore, now in 2009, it is still a town, but sadly not a postal town. Although if it helps we do recognise that Liverpool is now a City (which is happily also a postal town so we don't hold its City status against it).
We use postal towns as they are the recognised way of doing geography in UK, if you look at Coleshill on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coleshill,_Warwickshire) it clearly states the Post town is Birmingham. It means we can easily check if the listings are correct on Yell, Thomson Local, and Royal Mail sites as all these use the Postal Towns.
Bottom line, I am not sure how making Coleshill a top level entry makes PG more usable? We have a consistent system, live with it or suggest a better consistent system.
And I have just realised you 2 snarky gits have posted whilst I was writing this reply. I hate you both and beat you with some :twigs:'s
And I have just realised you 2 snarky gits have posted whilst I was writing this reply. I hate you both and beat you with some :twigs:'s
Who is the 2 "snarky gits" of u speaking? :rolleyes:
And back in 1207 Coleshill was a town on Pubs Galore, now in 2009, it is still a town, but sadly not a postal town. Although if it helps we do recognise that Liverpool is now a City (which is happily also a postal town so we don't hold its City status against it).
We use postal towns as they are the recognised way of doing geography in UK, if you look at Coleshill on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coleshill,_Warwickshire) it clearly states the Post town is Birmingham. It means we can easily check if the listings are correct on Yell, Thomson Local, and Royal Mail sites as all these use the Postal Towns.
Bottom line, I am not sure how making Coleshill a top level entry makes PG more usable? We have a consistent system, live with it or suggest a better consistent system.
Come on Conrad.. Town is a Town.. you cannot change its status. Its like calling London as town instead of City. Or your own Bristol as "Village" instead of City. How would you feel about it? (no offence instead)
Come on Conrad.. Town is a Town..
Show me a list of UK towns? A town is just where a parish council decides to call itself a town.
Show me a list of UK towns? A town is just where a parish council decides to call itself a town.
how about this.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_towns_in_England then scroll down to "C"
Oh god... I dont know why I care about Coleshill while it is not even in my own home county!
Sorry Conrad.. I know it getting bit personal but all I wanted is point out my reasons.
So are you saying that we should list everything in that Wikipedia list of designated towns in 1974 as a prominent listing on Pubs Galore and none of them should be shown as potential districts of another town?
I have never said that Coleshill is not a town, I have said it is not a Postal Town, and that we only list Postal Towns as key areas in a county.
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