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In its dying days, the present government seems to have developed a distinctly illiberal streak. First there was the utterly appalling creeping smoking ban (https://pubcurmudgeon.blogspot.com/2023/10/creeping-prohibition.html) announced last Autumn, following the example of New Zealand, where the policy has since been scrapped after a change in government. And now they have announced that they are going to ban disposable vapes completely (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68123202), giving as a reason the protection of children. But it is already illegal to sell them to under-18s, so surely the answer should be to enforce the law more effectively, rather than to deprive adults of a legitimate pleasure.
Chris Snowdon has summed up the case against this (https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/banning-disposable-e-cigarettes-wont-stop-kids-vaping/) very well, and he makes the point that:
There is also the small matter of personal liberty. Banning adults from buying products because minors sometimes buy them illegally has never been a principle of UK law. Many more 11-15 year olds drink alcohol regularly than vape regularly, but no one is talking about banning cider.Even if the loss of liberty doesn’t concern you too much, there is a more utilitarian argument that it is likely to lead people to return to smoking tobacco. It is generally accepted that vaping is considerably safer than smoking, so this would appear to be a major own goal.
However, as Sam Bowman says on Twitter, the idea that anyone could actually take up vaping because they enjoy it, rather than as a smoking cessation tool, makes the heads of the public health establishment explode. The same applies to drinking, smoking, gambling and eating crisps and chocolates. Adult consumers are viewed as unwitting dupes with no personal agency.
Most people in politics in the UK don’t understand that adults enjoy pleasure, and so don’t just drink, gamble, smoke, vape or eat because of addiction or advertising. https://t.co/zNhGvCgoUS
— Sam Bowman (@s8mb) January 29, 2024 (https://twitter.com/s8mb/status/1751914529829663127?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) We like to boast in Britain that we are a freedom-loving nation, but in fact in recent years we have increasingly turned into a ban-loving nation, as shown by the widespread enthusiasm for lockdown restrictions. As Chris Snowdon says in his article:
The British public love a ban. Last month a survey found that 29 per cent of us want to close the nightclubs to deal with the remnants of Covid-19 and 20 per cent want to re-introduce lockdown.This tendency is likely to continue even if there is a change of government later this year, and indeed there’s a distinct possibility it will intensify. So if you are minded to support this particular prohibition, bear in mind that eventually they will come for your own preferred indulgence, and the vapers are unlikely to give you much support when they do.
More... (https://pubcurmudgeon.blogspot.com/2024/02/then-they-came-for-vapers.html)
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In its dying days, the present government seems to have developed a distinctly illiberal streak. First there was the utterly appalling creeping smoking ban (https://pubcurmudgeon.blogspot.com/2023/10/creeping-prohibition.html) announced last Autumn, following the example of New Zealand, where the policy has since been scrapped after a change in government. And now they have announced that they are going to ban disposable vapes completely (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68123202), giving as a reason the protection of children. But it is already illegal to sell them to under-18s, so surely the answer should be to enforce the law more effectively, rather than to deprive adults of a legitimate pleasure.
Chris Snowdon has summed up the case against this (https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/banning-disposable-e-cigarettes-wont-stop-kids-vaping/) very well, and he makes the point that:
There is also the small matter of personal liberty. Banning adults from buying products because minors sometimes buy them illegally has never been a principle of UK law. Many more 11-15 year olds drink alcohol regularly than vape regularly, but no one is talking about banning cider.Even if the loss of liberty doesn’t concern you too much, there is a more utilitarian argument that it is likely to lead people to return to smoking tobacco. It is generally accepted that vaping is considerably safer than smoking, so this would appear to be a major own goal.
However, as Sam Bowman says on Twitter, the idea that anyone could actually take up vaping because they enjoy it, rather than as a smoking cessation tool, makes the heads of the public health establishment explode. The same applies to drinking, smoking, gambling and eating crisps and chocolates. Adult consumers are viewed as unwitting dupes with no personal agency.
Most people in politics in the UK don’t understand that adults enjoy pleasure, and so don’t just drink, gamble, smoke, vape or eat because of addiction or advertising. https://t.co/zNhGvCgoUS
— Sam Bowman (@s8mb) January 29, 2024 (https://twitter.com/s8mb/status/1751914529829663127?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) We like to boast in Britain that we are a freedom-loving nation, but in fact in recent years we have increasingly turned into a ban-loving nation, as shown by the widespread enthusiasm for lockdown restrictions. As Chris Snowdon says in his article:
The British public love a ban. Last month a survey found that 29 per cent of us want to close the nightclubs to deal with the remnants of Covid-19 and 20 per cent want to re-introduce lockdown.This tendency is likely to continue even if there is a change of government later this year, and indeed there’s a distinct possibility it will intensify. So if you are minded to support this particular prohibition, bear in mind that eventually they will come for your own preferred indulgence, and the vapers are unlikely to give you much support when they do.
More... (https://pubcurmudgeon.blogspot.com/2024/02/then-they-came-for-vapers.html)