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This is another blatant attempt to get you to do my research for me. I'd like to hear what pubs were like around your way. Did they still have multiple rooms? Were the bogs outside? Was there waiter service? Please let me know.
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Pub layout in The Pub and the People.
Looking at the layout of a 1930s medium-sized Bolton pub in The Pub and the People, it’s very similar to that of many of the pubs in Leeds I frequented during the 1970s. Public bar at the front with the bar counter, then a couple of posher rooms at the back, served by a hatch at the back of the bar counter.
The Cardigan Arms, my regular haunt during my university days, retains this format. Except, being double-fronted, it has three posh rooms. Back then, most Tetley’s pubs had variations on this theme. With only the number of posh rooms varying with the size of the pub. Though the couple of Tetley’s 1960s pubs I visited had the typical post-war 50-50 split between a public bar and a lounge.
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The public bar of the Cardigan Arms in Leeds, 2023.
Even the pubs in Leeds city centre mostly retained at least two rooms. I’m struggling to think of an example of a pub that was knocked through into a single bar.
In the posh rooms, there were buttons at regular intervals along the walls. These were from the days of waiter and, in Leeds at least, were out of use. Odd pubs still had waiter service in the North. There were a couple in Liverpool. And Grimsby, where I remember visiting one with my brother.
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The Cardigan Arms in Leeds, 2023.
Outdoor toilets were the norm in Newark. At least for the gents. Sometimes, they were little more than a shed with a trough at the bottom of one wall. While in Leeds the toilets were mostly indoors. With some magnificent copper and tile extravaganzas. In which it was a pleasure to have a piss.
Interestingly, the ladies’ toilets in Leeds were almost always upstairs. A sign that they were an afterthought?
Any recollections of your own from the 1970s (or early 1980s) are more than welcome. It'll help me pad out the book from its current meagre 293 pages.
More... (http://barclayperkins.blogspot.com/2023/12/the-layout-of-pubs-in-1970s.html)
This is another blatant attempt to get you to do my research for me. I'd like to hear what pubs were like around your way. Did they still have multiple rooms? Were the bogs outside? Was there waiter service? Please let me know.
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgMGfM9HEvHCHIWcuYaDTGtdfMHve_fYAb3mFtQ6zj77_ kOVwpPZ82TG4HdY_3h71Mm5rRqg5Z68xLiFwWinPpwP0wDxPVz yAs_SvScUSkve2myhyphenhyphen1ySc1ILIkU0zH9dJlXapjl q3NsRQo-lMPX0wH6fxY5UX2P2znLy1dK9WNxepG92wNU-rt3KSYXsXI/w640-h570/Medium_sized_Bolton_pub.JPG (https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgMGfM9HEvHCHIWcuYaDTGtdfMHve_fYAb3mFtQ6zj77_ kOVwpPZ82TG4HdY_3h71Mm5rRqg5Z68xLiFwWinPpwP0wDxPVz yAs_SvScUSkve2myhyphenhyphen1ySc1ILIkU0zH9dJlXapjl q3NsRQo-lMPX0wH6fxY5UX2P2znLy1dK9WNxepG92wNU-rt3KSYXsXI/s1138/Medium_sized_Bolton_pub.JPG)
Pub layout in The Pub and the People.
Looking at the layout of a 1930s medium-sized Bolton pub in The Pub and the People, it’s very similar to that of many of the pubs in Leeds I frequented during the 1970s. Public bar at the front with the bar counter, then a couple of posher rooms at the back, served by a hatch at the back of the bar counter.
The Cardigan Arms, my regular haunt during my university days, retains this format. Except, being double-fronted, it has three posh rooms. Back then, most Tetley’s pubs had variations on this theme. With only the number of posh rooms varying with the size of the pub. Though the couple of Tetley’s 1960s pubs I visited had the typical post-war 50-50 split between a public bar and a lounge.
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgQoGPIXeh0yCZksSTSdDha716C5VjL4GsAlm9AauqO84 d_WBhaI_6BuNm1lgHAHQrV1gkeBeU2SRtxxGoEdst_ZMKQerGu yw9p0NL78tki4K0eMurdWWNfwvf7iVGXE_sOGhsf9T3IwIyvk6 0lju_7-CCzpELE4-DRSiyKdkKe0djEnhHYDgNKwnI5ii8/w640-h480/Cardigan_bar.jpg (https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgQoGPIXeh0yCZksSTSdDha716C5VjL4GsAlm9AauqO84 d_WBhaI_6BuNm1lgHAHQrV1gkeBeU2SRtxxGoEdst_ZMKQerGu yw9p0NL78tki4K0eMurdWWNfwvf7iVGXE_sOGhsf9T3IwIyvk6 0lju_7-CCzpELE4-DRSiyKdkKe0djEnhHYDgNKwnI5ii8/s4000/Cardigan_bar.jpg)
The public bar of the Cardigan Arms in Leeds, 2023.
Even the pubs in Leeds city centre mostly retained at least two rooms. I’m struggling to think of an example of a pub that was knocked through into a single bar.
In the posh rooms, there were buttons at regular intervals along the walls. These were from the days of waiter and, in Leeds at least, were out of use. Odd pubs still had waiter service in the North. There were a couple in Liverpool. And Grimsby, where I remember visiting one with my brother.
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The Cardigan Arms in Leeds, 2023.
Outdoor toilets were the norm in Newark. At least for the gents. Sometimes, they were little more than a shed with a trough at the bottom of one wall. While in Leeds the toilets were mostly indoors. With some magnificent copper and tile extravaganzas. In which it was a pleasure to have a piss.
Interestingly, the ladies’ toilets in Leeds were almost always upstairs. A sign that they were an afterthought?
Any recollections of your own from the 1970s (or early 1980s) are more than welcome. It'll help me pad out the book from its current meagre 293 pages.
More... (http://barclayperkins.blogspot.com/2023/12/the-layout-of-pubs-in-1970s.html)