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A reminder of some of the fun that awaits you if you make it to Poesiat & Kater on Saturday 18th November, 14:00 - 16:00. When I'll be talking about the history of Stout (https://www.facebook.com/events/s/the-story-of-london-stout-by-r/304408102440443/).
Even after WW II, there were still multiple categories of Stout in London. The weaker ones were in the low 1030ºs and cost 22d per pint. The stronger ones were in the mid-1040º and cost around 30d per pint.
The rate of attenuation of the weaker ones was mostly pretty crap, with the majority of examples well under 60%. Not quite as bad as Scottish Sweet Stout, but poor enough to leave them under 2.5% ABV. The Isleworth Stout looks pretty pathetic, with an OG of barely 1020º and less than 1.5% ABV. How on earth can watery beer be a Stout?
Attenuation was a smidgin better in the stronger Stouts, but still averaged below 60%. Most of the beers are pretty feeble in terms of ABV considering their gravity. This is a big change from the 1930s, when the majority of London Stouts were over 70% apparent attenuation.
It’s odd that the attenuation of London Stouts should have got poorer after WW II when the exact opposite took place with Guinness. With the rate increasing considerably in the early 1950s.
As you would expect, the stronger examples were a bit darker on average. That’s despite there being considerable variation across the different beers, the palest being just 150 and the darkest 425.
London Stout after WW II
Year
Brewer
Beer
Price per pint (d)
OG
FG
ABV
App. Atten-uation
colour
1957
Isleworth
Stout
22
1021.8
1011.8
1.29
45.87%
300
1957
Fullers
Nourishing Stout
22
1033
1009
3.11
72.73%
240
1957
Taylor Walker
Nourishing Stout
22
1033.3
1012.9
2.63
61.26%
300
1957
Courage
London Stout
22
1033.7
1015.6
2.33
53.71%
300
1956
Truman
Eagle Stout
22
1034.8
1016.1
2.41
53.74%
225
1957
Courage & Barclay
London Stout
22
1034.9
1016.3
2.39
53.30%
340
1956
Truman
Eagle Stout
22
1034.8
1016.1
2.41
53.74%
225
Average
22
1032.3
1014.0
2.37
56.33%
276
1957
Barclay Perkins
Stout
30
1042.5
1020
2.89
52.94%
300
1957
Courage
Hodgsons Stout
30
1043.3
1022.2
2.71
48.73%
325
1954
Truman
Best Stout
24
1044
1017.6
3.41
60.00%
150
1957
Watney
Reids Special Stout
35
1045.2
1011.8
4.33
73.89%
225
1959
Taylor Walker
Cannon Stout
29
1045.8
1018.1
3.57
60.48%
425
1957
Hammerton
Oatmeal Stout
30
1047.1
1021.6
3.28
54.14%
350
1957
Charrington
Punch Stout
30
1047.2
1017.4
3.85
63.14%
270
Average
29.7
1045.0
1018.4
3.44
59.05%
292
Source:
Whitbread Gravity book held at the London Metropolitan Archives, document number LMA/4453/D/02/002.
I'll be giving a talk on the history of London Stout at the taproom on Saturday, 18th November, 13:00 to 14:00.
Probably the only time I'll give a talk in Holland this year. Don't miss it.
Poesiat & Kater
Polderweg 648,
1093 KP Amsterdam
Here is the link for the event:
https://facebook.com/events/s/the-story-of-london-stout-by-r/304408102440443/
This is the book based on the talk (and much expanded). Get your copy now! (https://www.lulu.com/shop/ronald-pattinson-and-ronald-pattinson/stout/paperback/product-74nk4w.html)
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A reminder of some of the fun that awaits you if you make it to Poesiat & Kater on Saturday 18th November, 14:00 - 16:00. When I'll be talking about the history of Stout (https://www.facebook.com/events/s/the-story-of-london-stout-by-r/304408102440443/).
Even after WW II, there were still multiple categories of Stout in London. The weaker ones were in the low 1030ºs and cost 22d per pint. The stronger ones were in the mid-1040º and cost around 30d per pint.
The rate of attenuation of the weaker ones was mostly pretty crap, with the majority of examples well under 60%. Not quite as bad as Scottish Sweet Stout, but poor enough to leave them under 2.5% ABV. The Isleworth Stout looks pretty pathetic, with an OG of barely 1020º and less than 1.5% ABV. How on earth can watery beer be a Stout?
Attenuation was a smidgin better in the stronger Stouts, but still averaged below 60%. Most of the beers are pretty feeble in terms of ABV considering their gravity. This is a big change from the 1930s, when the majority of London Stouts were over 70% apparent attenuation.
It’s odd that the attenuation of London Stouts should have got poorer after WW II when the exact opposite took place with Guinness. With the rate increasing considerably in the early 1950s.
As you would expect, the stronger examples were a bit darker on average. That’s despite there being considerable variation across the different beers, the palest being just 150 and the darkest 425.
London Stout after WW II
Year
Brewer
Beer
Price per pint (d)
OG
FG
ABV
App. Atten-uation
colour
1957
Isleworth
Stout
22
1021.8
1011.8
1.29
45.87%
300
1957
Fullers
Nourishing Stout
22
1033
1009
3.11
72.73%
240
1957
Taylor Walker
Nourishing Stout
22
1033.3
1012.9
2.63
61.26%
300
1957
Courage
London Stout
22
1033.7
1015.6
2.33
53.71%
300
1956
Truman
Eagle Stout
22
1034.8
1016.1
2.41
53.74%
225
1957
Courage & Barclay
London Stout
22
1034.9
1016.3
2.39
53.30%
340
1956
Truman
Eagle Stout
22
1034.8
1016.1
2.41
53.74%
225
Average
22
1032.3
1014.0
2.37
56.33%
276
1957
Barclay Perkins
Stout
30
1042.5
1020
2.89
52.94%
300
1957
Courage
Hodgsons Stout
30
1043.3
1022.2
2.71
48.73%
325
1954
Truman
Best Stout
24
1044
1017.6
3.41
60.00%
150
1957
Watney
Reids Special Stout
35
1045.2
1011.8
4.33
73.89%
225
1959
Taylor Walker
Cannon Stout
29
1045.8
1018.1
3.57
60.48%
425
1957
Hammerton
Oatmeal Stout
30
1047.1
1021.6
3.28
54.14%
350
1957
Charrington
Punch Stout
30
1047.2
1017.4
3.85
63.14%
270
Average
29.7
1045.0
1018.4
3.44
59.05%
292
Source:
Whitbread Gravity book held at the London Metropolitan Archives, document number LMA/4453/D/02/002.
I'll be giving a talk on the history of London Stout at the taproom on Saturday, 18th November, 13:00 to 14:00.
Probably the only time I'll give a talk in Holland this year. Don't miss it.
Poesiat & Kater
Polderweg 648,
1093 KP Amsterdam
Here is the link for the event:
https://facebook.com/events/s/the-story-of-london-stout-by-r/304408102440443/
This is the book based on the talk (and much expanded). Get your copy now! (https://www.lulu.com/shop/ronald-pattinson-and-ronald-pattinson/stout/paperback/product-74nk4w.html)
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