10th Anniversary Pub Crawl in Birmingham

[sheffield hatter]

Please see poll here (http://forums.pubsgalore.co.uk/showthread.php?35287-10th-Anniversary-Pub-Crawl-in-Birmingham).

[Bucking Fastard]

With the date settled (Friday 15th October) the next task is to work out which pubs are worthy of a visit on this anniversary crawl.Let the debate begin.....................

[Tris39]

With the date settled (Friday 15th October) the next task is to work out which pubs are worthy of a visit on this anniversary crawl.Let the debate begin.....................

I suppose The Bartons Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/53682/) is too far out to include?

[sheffield hatter]

I suppose The Bartons Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/53682/) is too far out to include?

I did this a few years ago with the guys from the Beer & Pubs Forum. There are buses that get you there pretty quickly, and back again. I left the rest of the group at the Woodman (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/37969/), walked to Corporation Street to catch a bus (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Albert+St,+Birmingham+B5+5LG/The+Bartons+Arms,+High+Street,+Aston,+Birmingham/@52.487356,-1.912017,14z/data=!3m1!5s0x4870bcbcc80a51bd:0x8633e85a8815f0c4! 4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x4870bc847039eb5d:0xdbd19ecf0 f040126!2m2!1d-1.8867921!2d52.4817388!1m5!1m1!1s0x4870bcbcb874f65 9:0xe33f76f41611aa13!2m2!1d-1.8951913!2d52.4991478!3e3), and arrived at the Bartons Arms 25 minutes after leaving the Woodman. I rejoined the group at the (now sadly demolished) Eagle & Tun (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/37530/) 15 minutes after leaving the Bartons Arms.

[Tris39]

I rejoined the group at the (now sadly demolished) Eagle & Tun (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/37530/) 15 minutes after leaving the Bartons Arms.

What a lovely Heritage interior and what a pity it wasn't listed.

[trainman]

I suppose The Bartons Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/53682/) is too far out to include?
It would be a shame to omit it, since it is an anniversary and was here that the group pic was taken 10 years back... Ah, memories of Gill herding us onto buses in groups of five (for discount fares)...

[Tris39]

(for discount fares)...

?:confused:?:confused:?:confused:

[sheffield hatter]

?:confused:?:confused:?:confused:

It's a West Midlands thing.

Eleven years later, some of us can get on buses for nowt!

[sheffield hatter]

It would be a shame to omit it, since it is an anniversary and was here that the group pic was taken 10 years back...

Yeah, but this is the Autumn 2020 Pubs Galore Crawl in the same sense (and for the same reason) that this year we had the Euros 2020 football tournament and the 2020 Tokyo Olympics.

So it was 11 years ago.

[trainman]

Eleven years later, some of us can get on buses for nowt!

Not long until my Oyster60 card for free (for a small one-off payment) travel in the capital, and my senior railcard will be not far behind, whoop-whoop!!

Re the 10/11 year anniversary, I did wonder whether a fellow-pedant may raise the issue but, for heaven's sake Will, it's not like an apostrophe error or suchlike!!

[sheffield hatter]

Re the 10/11 year anniversary, I did wonder whether a fellow-pedant may raise the issue but, for heaven's sake Will, it's not like an apostrophe error or suchlike!!

It's still the 10th Anniversary, but the group picture outside the Bartons Arms was taken (almost) 11 years ago! You can't argue with the passage of time. ;)

[Mobyduck]

It's still the 10th Anniversary, but the group picture outside the Bartons Arms was taken (almost) 11 years ago! You can't argue with the passage of time. ;)

That will be evident in the new team photo. :D

[Soup Dragon]

I still have the jacket... and it was 10 years old then

[Gann]

I couldn't convince my good lady of another weekend in Brum (done it for two years before the pandemic for the Yonex all England Badminton) or the virtues of the Bull Ring, especially as shes shopped it before and now it is John Lewis lite, so will be making a day of it by train..
Have got the cheep advanced tickets for the 10.15AM out of Euston to New Street and the 20.14pm back out of BNS if any of the London crowd want to sync up travel arrangements..

[Tris39]

It's a West Midlands thing.

Eleven years later, some of us can get on buses for nowt!

Surely if there's a discount for five, then anyone with a brain would grab four other willing souls at the bus stop and form a discount alliance. Do we need cash for the charabanc or will it take e-money?

[sheffield hatter]

Surely if there's a discount for five, then anyone with a brain would grab four other willing souls at the bus stop and form a discount alliance.

I think that's what the Pubs Galore crowd were doing in 2010, under Gill's tutelage. However, 11 years later there are probably enough of us with free bus passes to scupper this idea. And plucking four random passengers from the queue to form an alliance requires you to then stay together all day. Any takers?



Do we need cash for the charabanc or will it take e-money?

Don't all buses take card payments these days? Anyway, buying a Plus Bus ticket when you get your trains sorted is probably the cheapest way.

[sheffield hatter]

Have got the cheep advanced tickets for the 10.15AM out of Euston to New Street ...

Train tickets that imitate birdsong! That's my idea of advanced...

[Bucking Fastard]

Can I suggest we visit The Bartons Arms reasonably early in the crawl while we are relatively sober otherwise it will be like trying to herd cats as the day progresses and it would be a shame for anyone who hasn't been there to miss out.We also need local knowledge about where exactly in the city centre to catch said bus.This might then define the crawl meeting place (traditional 'spoons KO anybody ?) and maybe some of the initial crawl targets.

[Quinno]

Enjoy the day! A shame I will miss it.

[Gann]

Train tickets that imitate birdsong! That's my idea of advanced...

Yep, I got them for a song :)

[Pangolin]

For info on the Bartons Arms discussion, here is the bus gen; The buses are National Express West Midlands 33/51 to Walsall/Pheasey from Lower Bull Street/High Street stop BS16 (down the road from the Peaky Blinder (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubmap/37846/) bar to see on a map). They jointly run every 5 mins, journey time about 7 mins to Burlington Street, 2 mins from the pub.
Note that the starting point might be subject to change due to ongoing tram extension works (needs checking nearer the time).

The current fare appears to be £2.40 single, £4 day ticket, £7 group day ticket for up to 5 people. Twerly passes valid after 09.30. Mobile app tickets available and cash & contactless accepted on the bus.

[Delboy20]

I'm sure you will al have a great day but I am away that week celebrating my 50th birthday.:cheers::cheers:

Which pubs were visited on the original crawl 10 years ago? Be interesting to see if they are all still open!

[sheffield hatter]

I'm sure you will al have a great day but I am away that week celebrating my 50th birthday.:cheers::cheers:

Which pubs were visited on the original crawl 10 years ago? Be interesting to see if they are all still open!

You can read all about it here: http://forums.pubsgalore.co.uk/showthread.php?3894-Pubs-Galore-Meet-Up-Friday-12-November-Birmingham. And you had to miss the original crawl, too (page 12, #120). See #214 on page 22 for Conrad's recollections of the pubs visited.

Hope you enjoy your birthday celebrations!

[Bucking Fastard]

For info on the Bartons Arms discussion, here is the bus gen; The buses are National Express West Midlands 33/51 to Walsall/Pheasey from Lower Bull Street/High Street stop BS16 (down the road from the Peaky Blinder (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubmap/37846/) bar to see on a map). They jointly run every 5 mins, journey time about 7 mins to Burlington Street, 2 mins from the pub.
Note that the starting point might be subject to change due to ongoing tram extension works (needs checking nearer the time).

The current fare appears to be £2.40 single, £4 day ticket, £7 group day ticket for up to 5 people. Twerly passes valid after 09.30. Mobile app tickets available and cash & contactless accepted on the bus.

That's really helpful,thanks and with that regularity it won't be difficult to get the crawlers to and from The Bartons Arms and back on track in the city centre.:notworthy:

[trainman]

Aarggh! I now realise this follows my visit to pubs and beer-fest in Nottingham 14th, and 15th is traditional 'de-brief' day.
Too old and weak to make Brum as well, so it is with deep regret that I shall be unable to make the anniversary photo (be it 10th or 11th, Will!), properly gutted!
I look forward to belatedly enjoying the day vicariously, via the prize-writing of our inimitable band...

[Mobyduck]

Aarggh! I now realise this follows my visit to pubs and beer-fest in Nottingham 14th, and 15th is traditional 'de-brief' day.
Too old and weak to make Brum as well, so it is with deep regret that I shall be unable to make the anniversary photo (be it 10th or 11th, Will!), properly gutted!
I look forward to belatedly enjoying the day vicariously, via the prize-writing of our inimitable band...

That's a shame Jim , enjoy Nottingham.

[Bucking Fastard]

Just to get the ball rolling on which pubs might await us:

There is a very tight cluster of city centre pubs worth considering possibly both before and after visiting the Bartons Arms (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/53682/)*

Briar Rose (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/54984/)* . If there is demand for breakfast and the traditional 'spoons PuG start
Head of Steam (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/85963/)
Wellington (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/37946/)*
Old Joint Stock (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/55708/)*
Colmore (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/86905/)
Pure Craft (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/81554/)
Post Office Vaults (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/56393/)

I've never visited the Jewellery Quarter ,so maybe others could suggest any names worth considering.There would then be an interesting canalside walk :o from there to a bit of an outlier

Craven Arms (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/37562/)

But it is on the way (with more walking) to Digbeth for

Lamp Tavern (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/37696/) *
Spotted Dog (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/37864/)
Anchor (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/37449/) * .... and within reasonable striking distance of the railway stations.

* Pubs that were visited by the 2010 crawl.

[Delboy20]

The Jewellers Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/37683/) in the Jewellery Quarter is a Black Country Ales pub which is worth a visit. Burning Soul Taproom (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/85337/) and Rock & Roll Brewhouse (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/88821/) are nearby but the opening hours are not too good on a Friday. 3pm and 5pm if memory serves.
If you are walking the canal to the Craven Arms you have the Tap & Spile (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/37884/) and the Canalside Cafe (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/56391/) en route.

[Delboy20]

If you are moving from the City centre to the Jewellery Quarter it is one stop on the train from Snow Hill - right by the The Old Contemptibles (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/37755/).

A daytripper costs £6.90 and covers all trains, trams and buses.

[Tris39]

The Jewellers Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/37683/) in the Jewellery Quarter is a Black Country Ales pub which is worth a visit. Burning Soul Taproom (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/85337/) and Rock & Roll Brewhouse (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/88821/) are nearby but the opening hours are not too good on a Friday. 3pm and 5pm if memory serves.
If you are walking the canal to the Craven Arms you have the Tap & Spile (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/37884/) and the Canalside Cafe (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/56391/) en route.


If you are moving from the City centre to the Jewellery Quarter it is one stop on the train from Snow Hill - right by the The Old Contemptibles (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/37755/).

A daytripper costs £6.90 and covers all trains, trams and buses.

Thanks for this!

[Mobyduck]

My train tickets are booked, arrive 11.49, depart 20.04. :drinkup:

[Bucking Fastard]

I arrive at New Street at 11.25 :drinkup::drinkup::drinkup: and depart 21.10 :nishelypished:

[Soup Dragon]

I arrive at New Street at 11.25 :drinkup::drinkup::drinkup: and depart 21.10 :nishelypished:

I will arrive on the 51 from Walsall at the Barton's if you go there first, otherwise the the X51 in town. I will then have an all day bus ticket anyhow.

[an_ecumenical_matter]

Hello gang, hope ye're all grand, I had an email from the little wan telling me about this, I'm rest day the Saturday FFS but I'm working on getting the Friday instead/as well.

I will say the Bull in Price St (Gunmakers district) is now being run by Nigel from the Wellington, I don't know is it Black Country or just him but it is having very good reports from respectable correspondents. It's 5 minutes walk from where the 7 bus stops on the way back from the Bartons at Lower Loveday St. https://maps.app.goo.gl/TUG1XLBh6wUYNkmt8

[an_ecumenical_matter]

Aarggh! I now realise this follows my visit to pubs and beer-fest in Nottingham 14th, and 15th is traditional 'de-brief' day.
Too old and weak to make Brum as well, so it is with deep regret that I shall be unable to make the anniversary photo (be it 10th or 11th, Will!), properly gutted!
I look forward to belatedly enjoying the day vicariously, via the prize-writing of our inimitable band...

Get your finger out Jim, are you a man or a moose ?

[trainman]

Get your finger out Jim, are you a man or a moose ?
There are many who may say I couldn't aspire to be either, but the logistics (and the de-brief) sadly mean things won't work for a re-route home via Brum.

[sheffield hatter]

Hello gang, hope ye're all grand, I had an email from the little wan telling me about this, I'm rest day the Saturday FFS but I'm working on getting the Friday instead/as well.

I will say the Bull in Price St (Gunmakers district) is now being run by Nigel from the Wellington, I don't know is it Black Country or just him but it is having very good reports from respectable correspondents. It's 5 minutes walk from where the 7 bus stops on the way back from the Bartons at Lower Loveday St. https://maps.app.goo.gl/TUG1XLBh6wUYNkmt8

Good idea! And there's the Gunmakers Arms, brewery tap for Two Towers brewery (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/37650/), just around the corner from the Bull on Price Street. So that's three pubs sorted already.

[Pangolin]

Hello gang, hope ye're all grand, I had an email from the little wan telling me about this, I'm rest day the Saturday FFS but I'm working on getting the Friday instead/as well.

I will say the Bull in Price St (Gunmakers district) is now being run by Nigel from the Wellington, I don't know is it Black Country or just him but it is having very good reports from respectable correspondents. It's 5 minutes walk from where the 7 bus stops on the way back from the Bartons at Lower Loveday St. https://maps.app.goo.gl/TUG1XLBh6wUYNkmt8


Good idea! And there's the Gunmakers Arms, brewery tap for Two Towers brewery (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/37650/), just around the corner from the Bull on Price Street. So that's three pubs sorted already.

In fact the aforementioned 33/51 stop at Lancaster St (Junction with Price Street), so even closer

[sheffield hatter]

In fact the aforementioned 33/51 stop at Lancaster St (Junction with Price Street), so even closer

Yes, that's better also because the 33 & 51 alternate from the same stop, each running every 10 mins but five minutes apart from each other, whereas the 7, from a different bus stop around the corner, is every 10 minutes with no alternative if you've just missed one.

[an_ecumenical_matter]

Myself and Tony are declared runners, unfortunately no Evil Gazebo (Richard) of 2010, he has other commitments.

[Mobyduck]

My train tickets are booked, arrive 11.49, depart 20.04. :drinkup:

Big Steve will be along as well.

[rpadam]

One for the 15th: Glorious pictures after Victorian White Swan pub in Deritend reopens for business (https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/gallery/glorious-pictures-after-victorian-white-21594100)?

[Delboy20]

One for the 15th: Glorious pictures after Victorian White Swan pub in Deritend reopens for business (https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/gallery/glorious-pictures-after-victorian-white-21594100)?

You'd be mad to miss it out if you are visiting The Anchor down the road. I always thought this was a great looking pub - I'll be calling in soon.

[Bucking Fastard]

One for the 15th: Glorious pictures after Victorian White Swan pub in Deritend reopens for business (https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/gallery/glorious-pictures-after-victorian-white-21594100)?

That's very good news,great interior and as Del says very close to The Anchor.It was also visited by the original crawl in 2010.:cheers:

[gillhalfpint]

That's very good news,great interior and as Del says very close to The Anchor.It was also visited by the original crawl in 2010.:cheers:

We went into the White Swan on Saturday after visiting the excellent fest run by Halton Turner brewery in their tap room round the corner, and Nige from the Welly served us Little Critters Raspberry Blonde and Neepsend Cariban. There were certainly a lot more beers on. The White Swan is worth a visit.

Gill

[Bucking Fastard]

There are so many good pubs in Birmingham that our problem will be which ones to leave out ! Folk are already asking about meeting places and timings of visits ,so how about this for an outline plan of the core pubs to be visited ? They all have a good ale reputation ,and many have noteable features and character.
There is lots of scope for going off piste along the way .

Wellington (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/37946/) Gather here from noon until everyone has arrived,then move to the 33/51 bus stop.( Briar Rose (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/54984/) is a good option for 'spoons breakfast prior to The Wellington)

Bartons Arms (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/53682/) Soupy asked when we will arrive,I guess a little after 1pm.Photo opportunity here like the last time !

Bull (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/37517/) On the way back to the city centre.
Gunmakers Arms (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/37650/) Close to The Bull.

Old Joint Stock (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/55708/)
Colmore (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/86905/)
Post Office Vaults
(http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/56393/) These last three are close together.

Craven Arms (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/37562/)

Lamp Tavern (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/37696/) this is around 15 minutes walk from The Craven Arms.

Spotted Dog (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/37864/)
White Swan (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/55712/)
Anchor
(http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/37449/) These last three are close together and New Street is about 10 minutes walk from The Anchor.

This is just a suggestion ,lets knock it into shape if there are better options.

[Mobyduck]

There are so many good pubs in Birmingham that our problem will be which ones to leave out ! Folk are already asking about meeting places and timings of visits ,so how about this for an outline plan of the core pubs to be visited ? They all have a good ale reputation ,and many have noteable features and character.
There is lots of scope for going off piste along the way .

Wellington (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/37946/) Gather here from noon until everyone has arrived,then move to the 33/51 bus stop.( Briar Rose (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/54984/) is a good option for 'spoons breakfast prior to The Wellington)

Bartons Arms (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/53682/) Soupy asked when we will arrive,I guess a little after 1pm.Photo opportunity here like the last time !

Bull (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/37517/) On the way back to the city centre.
Gunmakers Arms (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/37650/) Close to The Bull.

Old Joint Stock (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/55708/)
Colmore (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/86905/)
Post Office Vaults
(http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/56393/) These last three are close together.

Craven Arms (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/37562/)

Lamp Tavern (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/37696/) this is around 15 minutes walk from The Craven Arms.

Spotted Dog (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/37864/)
White Swan (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/55712/)
Anchor
(http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/37449/) These last three are close together and New Street is about 10 minutes walk from The Anchor.

This is just a suggestion ,lets knock it into shape if there are better options.

Not bad at all Nev, that list would give me 7 new pubs, (ignoring the Spoons).

[sheffield hatter]

This is just a suggestion ,lets knock it into shape if there are better options.

Well done for dipping your toe in the water!

Just a thought (and I haven't looked into this very deeply): The Bull and the Gunmakers are not far from the Wellington.

Then (this is a bit radical): Is the Bartons Arms that good a pub? I know it's an iconic building, but I wasn't right impressed beerwise. And it's a bit out on a limb. Anyone who hasn't been, or who desperately wants to go again, could add it in place of a couple of others somewhere in the schedule.

Looking at the map, and remembering slightly pissed attempts to find New Street station in the past, might it not be better to finish in the centre rather than in Digbeth?


Wellington

Gunmakers Arms
Bull

Spotted Dog
White Swan
Anchor

Lamp Tavern

Craven Arms

Old Joint Stock
Colmore
Post Office Vaults

There does seem to be quite a bit of walking, so I hope Gill & Ray can lend a bit of local knowledge and improve on these ideas with some helpful bus routes. Or perhaps we should be cutting out Digbeth altogether and including some more pubs north of centre (Jewellers Arms, Red Lion, Church)? (So many pubs, etc...)

[sheffield hatter]

(ignoring the Spoons).

I intend to!

[Bucking Fastard]

Will does pose a good question........... would folk like to visit/revisit the Bartons Arms (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/53682/) ? After the earlier discussion on this thread I assumed there was demand,but it's worth checking .

There are quite a few members who like Oakham ales :whistle:

[Tris39]

Will does pose a good question........... would folk like to visit/revisit the Bartons Arms (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/53682/) ? After the earlier discussion on this thread I assumed there was demand,but it's worth checking .

There are quite a few members who like Oakham ales :whistle:

Yes. And like Oakham ales.

[Mobyduck]

Will does pose a good question........... would folk like to visit/revisit the Bartons Arms (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/53682/) ? After the earlier discussion on this thread I assumed there was demand,but it's worth checking .

There are quite a few members who like Oakham ales :whistle:

I'm up for The Bartons at some point.
Oakham ales :confused:

[Bucking Fastard]

I'm up for The Bartons at some point.
Oakham ales :confused:

Sorry about the confusion,the Barton's Arms is owned by Oakham.

[Mobyduck]

Sorry about the confusion,the Barton's Arms is owned by Oakham.
Even better.

[Thuck Phat]

Will does pose a good question........... would folk like to visit/revisit the Bartons Arms (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/53682/) ? After the earlier discussion on this thread I assumed there was demand,but it's worth checking .

There are quite a few members who like Oakham ales :whistle:

Wouldn't normally comment buy, all being well, I'm aiming to attend this one.

Bartons Arms: Great pub, fantastic beer but who's got the willpower to leave? Does this rule it out?

[sheffield hatter]

Ha ha!

It's normally me suggesting an extra pub that's only a short bus ride away and everyone else saying, No, I think we'll stay where we are. :)

When I did the Bartons Arms in 2018 with the guys from Beer and Pubs Forum I caught up with the others by using the 51 bus (the 33 also runs from the same stop) to the Lakeside student residences which are a short walk from the Woodman and hence the other Digbeth pubs.

[Real Ale Ray]

Although I agree the Barton's is a magnificent pub and one I've visited a few times, and I do like Oakham ales, I'll be giving this one a miss on the day, just so I can spend some extra time supping in one of the other great Brum pubs. We're spoiled for choice :cheers:

[Bucking Fastard]

When I did the Bartons Arms in 2018 with the guys from Beer and Pubs Forum I caught up with the others by using the 51 bus (the 33 also runs from the same stop) to the Lakeside student residences which are a short walk from the Woodman and hence the other Digbeth pubs.




I will say the Bull in Price St (Gunmakers district) is now being run by Nigel from the Wellington, I don't know is it Black Country or just him but it is having very good reports from respectable correspondents. It's 5 minutes walk from where the 7 bus stops on the way back from the Bartons at Lower Loveday St. https://maps.app.goo.gl/TUG1XLBh6wUYNkmt8


Good idea! And there's the Gunmakers Arms, brewery tap for Two Towers brewery (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/37650/), just around the corner from the Bull on Price Street. So that's three pubs sorted already.

I thought the idea was to go to The Bull and Gunmakers Arms after the Barton's Arms ?

[Mobyduck]

I thought the idea was to go to The Bull and Gunmakers Arms after the Barton's Arms ?

I'm happy to go with the general flow apart from any Spoons, not particularly fussed about The Old Joint Stock either.

[sheffield hatter]

I thought the idea was to go to The Bull and Gunmakers Arms after the Barton's Arms ?

That was one idea. I suggested another. Nothing is set in stone!

The point is, if doing the Bull/Gunmakers after Bartons, how do we get to the next pub and which is it to be. It seemed to me there might be better options if doing the Bull/Gunmakers first, then getting back to the city from the Bartons Arms. This is why I wanted to hear from Gill and Ray for their ideas on buses. They'll be more aware of bus routes than the rest of us, and their knowledge may help us decide where to go next. I've looked on Google Maps and it has you getting off the bus two stops early in one direction, and one stop too late in the other! Local knowledge is better.

[Bucking Fastard]

That was one idea. I suggested another. Nothing is set in stone!

The point is, if doing the Bull/Gunmakers after Bartons, how do we get to the next pub and which is it to be. It seemed to me there might be better options if doing the Bull/Gunmakers first, then getting back to the city from the Bartons Arms. This is why I wanted to hear from Gill and Ray for their ideas on buses. They'll be more aware of bus routes than the rest of us, and their knowledge may help us decide where to go next. I've looked on Google Maps and it has you getting off the bus two stops early in one direction, and one stop too late in the other! Local knowledge is better.

Lets wait for their input.

[Delboy20]

The Bartons is a stunning pub with great beer. I have been many times over the years en route to the Villa. The ground is walkable from there (anybody remember The Shareholders Arms) which was over the road?
To be honest, if you have been before you are wasting a chunk of quality time to visit again. There are so many good pubs closer to the city centre. If you haven't been it is worth visiting but you could say the same about Black Eagle (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/55584/) for instance.

[Real Ale Ray]

The Bartons is a stunning pub with great beer. I have been many times over the years en route to the Villa. The ground is walkable from there (anybody remember The Shareholders Arms) which was over the road?
To be honest, if you have been before you are wasting a chunk of quality time to visit again. There are so many good pubs closer to the city centre. If you haven't been it is worth visiting but you could say the same about Black Eagle (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/55584/) for instance.

Totally agree with you there Del, the Black Eagle is a fantastic pub, I've been quite a few times since my first visit and it's always a great experience. Well worth a detour for anyone who hasn't been.

[Mobyduck]

Totally agree with you there Del, the Black Eagle is a fantastic pub, I've been quite a few times since my first visit and it's always a great experience. Well worth a detour for anyone who hasn't been.

Looks a bit of a way out.

[Delboy20]

Looks a bit of a way out.

I'm not suggesting you visit, merely pointing out that there plenty great pubs outside the city centre. There are far more closer to the city centre!

Although to be fair the Black Eagle is only 3 stops on the tram from Snow Hill and takes about 10 minutes! Downside being t is a bit isolated where it is, much like the Bartons!

[Mobyduck]

I'm not suggesting you visit, merely pointing out that there plenty great pubs outside the city centre. There are far more closer to the city centre!

Although to be fair the Black Eagle is only 3 stops on the tram from Snow Hill and takes about 10 minutes! Downside being t is a bit isolated where it is, much like the Bartons!

Decisions desisions, always a problem in a good pub town/city.

[Delboy20]

Decisions desisions, always a problem in a good pub town/city.

That's the problem. Not a bad problem though, either way you win!

My opinion for what it's worth - If I am visiting a city that isn't familiar to me I will try to tick off as many as I can in the time I have. I will make the effort to travel out for a real gem of a pub. The Barton's certainly qualifies and it isn't that far out of town. If all else fails it would cost about £6/ £7 for 5 in a black cab.

I used to jump on the number 7 bus right by the Hen & Chickens (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/55586/) and The Wolf (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/84955/).

[gillhalfpint]

This has been fun plotting,so here is my view which of course is adaptable to add or subtract or amend. A bit messy with replacing tram lines down Corporation St to New St at the moment and stops keep changing round Bull St, so I propose I am going to do a dummy run to check opening times - have been iffy with some opening late afternoon - and bus stops - and well I could do with an entertaining day out.

Wellington opens 10am so good meeting place.
Bartons Arms a 51 bus there, then
Bull
Gunmakers
These are close together and can be done any order. I would do Hockley next as not far to Metro from Gunmakers and get off Jewellery Quarter
Jewellers Arms
Rock n Roll
Back to Colmore Row
Old Joint Stock
Colmore
Post Office Vaults
Craven Arms

then down to

Lamp Tavern
Anchor
White Swan
Spotted Dog

I would add the Woodman here

Reckon I will enjoy a wander on Friday 1st just in the name of research of course.

Gill

[sheffield hatter]

Wellington
Bartons Arms
Bull
Gunmakers
Jewellers Arms
Rock n Roll
Old Joint Stock
Colmore
Post Office Vaults
Craven Arms
Lamp Tavern
Anchor
White Swan
Spotted Dog
Woodman

Crikey, Gill. That's 15 pubs. Not sure I have the stamina these days!


I am going to do a dummy run to check opening times - have been iffy with some opening late afternoon - and bus stops - and well I could do with an entertaining day out.

Reckon I will enjoy a wander on Friday 1st just in the name of research of course.

Gill

Thanks Gill, that'd be great.

[Bucking Fastard]

Wellington opens 10am so good meeting place.
Bartons Arms a 51 bus there, then
Bull
Gunmakers
These are close together and can be done any order. I would do Hockley next as not far to Metro from Gunmakers and get off Jewellery Quarter
Jewellers Arms
Rock n Roll
Back to Colmore Row
Old Joint Stock
Colmore
Post Office Vaults
Craven Arms

then down to

Lamp Tavern
Anchor
White Swan
Spotted Dog

I would add the Woodman here

Reckon I will enjoy a wander on Friday 1st just in the name of research of course.

Gill

Thanks Gill that looks like a good route and there's nothing better than a real challenge ! Your research will be invaluable.:cheers:

[Mobyduck]

This has been fun plotting,so here is my view which of course is adaptable to add or subtract or amend. A bit messy with replacing tram lines down Corporation St to New St at the moment and stops keep changing round Bull St, so I propose I am going to do a dummy run to check opening times - have been iffy with some opening late afternoon - and bus stops - and well I could do with an entertaining day out.

Wellington opens 10am so good meeting place.
Bartons Arms a 51 bus there, then
Bull
Gunmakers
These are close together and can be done any order. I would do Hockley next as not far to Metro from Gunmakers and get off Jewellery Quarter
Jewellers Arms
Rock n Roll
Back to Colmore Row
Old Joint Stock
Colmore
Post Office Vaults
Craven Arms

then down to

Lamp Tavern
Anchor
White Swan
Spotted Dog

I would add the Woodman here

Reckon I will enjoy a wander on Friday 1st just in the name of research of course.

Gill

Looks good, it appears the Rock & Roll Brewhouse doesn't open till 5pm which would likely rule it out which is a shame.

[Delboy20]

Looks good, it appears the Rock & Roll Brewhouse doesn't open till 5pm which would likely rule it out which is a shame.

Burning Soul Taproom (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/85337/) opens at 3.

[gillhalfpint]

I could have put the taprooms on like Dig Brew ( drinking was outside while tap room being refurbed last time we went) and Halton Turner, both in Digbeth, but not sure if you wanted tap rooms too. So many good pubs as has been mentioned. Burning Soul instead of Rock n Roll possible as just off the metro line.

[sheffield hatter]

I could have put the taprooms on like Dig Brew ( drinking was outside while tap room being refurbed last time we went) and Halton Turner, both in Digbeth, but not sure if you wanted tap rooms too. So many good pubs as has been mentioned. Burning Soul instead of Rock n Roll possible as just off the metro line.

Personally, I prefer proper pubs to tap rooms. The latter are ok if doing a bit of research for yourself, but on a crawl I would rather go to pubs.

[gillhalfpint]

I have done a work out on paper looking at the bus stops etc for getting out and back into town and will do the dummy run this week.

From Wellington, walk down to junction Carr Lane High St and get 51 or 33 to Bartons.

51 or 33 back to Lancaster St stop and cross roads to Price St for Bull.

Walk Loveday and Bath St to Gunmakers

Walk Shadwell and turn left for St Chads Metro Stop for Metro to Jewellery Quarter
or..turn right across canal to Water St stop for 16 or 74 bus to Hockley St for Jewellers Arms

If you don't want Burning Soul can go back to main road where Clifton and Church Inn are if you fancy them, and return to Snow Hill area by metro or 16 bus and continue with the town pubs.

Gill

[sheffield hatter]

Walk Shadwell and turn left for St Chads Metro Stop for Metro to Jewellery Quarter
or..turn right across canal to Water St stop for 16 or 74 bus to Hockley St for Jewellers Arms

This reminds me that the Birmingham Plus Bus ticket also covers tram fares (Adult: £3.40, Railcard holder: £2.25 (https://plusbus.info/birmingham)). Anyone else who, like me, is entitled to free bus travel, note that trams are only free for residents of West Midlands (https://westmidlandsmetro.com/tickets-all/#gotosix).

There are works going on in parts of the tram system, which are said to be scheduled for completion "by October", but whether complete or not they are still running between Bull Street and Wolverhampton. The fare is £1.50 single from St Chads to Jewellery Quarter (for Jewellers Arms, for example) but £2.40 if going as far as Soho Benson Road (for the Black Eagle, if anyone's interested). An all-day ticket is £4.80, so the £2.25 (with railcard discount) for Plus Bus is good value.

[gillhalfpint]

On way round so thoughts. Old Joint Stock could be done after Welly out of the back. Logic puts 51 or 33 to Price St to do Bull and Gunmakers as they are on the right side of the road off the bus, then back to get bus to Bartons. Makes sense as 33 or 51 back to town then for 16 to Jewellery Quarter and will save a lot of time. 14 on in Welly. 7 usuals and 7 guests. 3 on in Bull. Looks good so far.

In Gunmakers. 3 of theirs on.

In Bartons.. Oakham Citra and JHB plus 1 guest Titanic Plum Porter on. Other guest Fixed. Wheel ran out.

Having a couple then will head back. All on reduced wickets. May be better on a Friday though.
Trams running from Upper Bull by Square Peg JDW OK, but town really is a working mess and I cannot see it being sorted before Christmas, not October!

Gill

[Delboy20]

Just a thought, if you are in the city centre you could slip The Good Intent (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/87966/) as a wildcard. I like Craddocks beers and it is worth a visit if you haven't been.

[Tris39]

Personally, I prefer proper pubs to tap rooms.

Yes. I like to experience an area's pubs, finding that tap rooms are a bit samey.

[Mobyduck]

Just a thought, if you are in the city centre you could slip The Good Intent (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/87966/) as a wildcard. I like Craddocks beers and it is worth a visit if you haven't been.

Good shout.

[Bucking Fastard]

Two more have signed up for this crawl,namely Clive and Nige friends of mine who have been on several crawls in the past and are known to quite a few of you .Clive arrives from Reading around noon so will be in the Wellington for the kick off.

Nige has got some patients to see early morning but is aiming to arrive on the 1.25pm ,so will catch up with the crawl wherever it happens to be at that time.

[Bucking Fastard]

With less than a week until the big event,I thought it might be useful to do a roll call of attendees.Looking back over this tread ,and making a few assumptions,it looks like the following have signed up (including were mentioned their estimate time of arrival)

Apologies if I have missed anyone out ,or included them by mistake.I will edit the list with any new information.

gillhalfpint
Ray
Gann (12.23)
Dave M (10.56)
Moby Duck (11.49)
Big Steve
Bucking Fastard (11.25)
Clive (11.49)
Nige (13.25)
Thuck Phat
sheffield hatter (11.54)
rpadam
Soup Dragon (X51)
Tris39
an_ecumenical_matter
Tony
Real Ale Ray
Mrs Ale
Pangolin
london calling (12.30)
AlanH (10.32)

Looks like a decent turnout,so following Gill's route see you at the start in the Wellington.

[Dave M]

Currently intending to arrive in New Street at 10:56, then a quick pit stop for fat and carbs at the Briar Rose. Should hopefully be in the Wellington before midday.

[Bucking Fastard]

Currently intending to arrive in New Street at 10:56, then a quick pit stop for fat and carbs at the Briar Rose. Should hopefully be in the Wellington before midday.

I'm going for a quick stomach liner there straight after getting off the train,see you in there.

[london calling]

I Will be there train doesn't get in till 12.30.

[sheffield hatter]

Wellington opens 10am so good meeting place.
Old Joint Stock could be done after Welly out of the back.
Bartons Arms a 51 bus there, then
Logic puts 51 or 33 to Price St to do Bull and Gunmakers as they are on the right side of the road off the bus, then back to get bus to Bartons Arms.
I would do Hockley next as not far to Metro from Gunmakers and get off Jewellery Quarter Makes sense as 33 or 51 back to town then for 16 to Jewellery Quarter and will save a lot of time.
Jewellers Arms
Rock n Roll
Burning Soul Taproom

Back to Colmore Row
Old Joint Stock
Colmore
Post Office Vaults
Craven Arms

then down to

Lamp Tavern
Anchor
White Swan
Spotted Dog

I would add the Woodman here


Gill





Old Joint Stock could be done after Welly out of the back.
Logic puts 51 or 33 to Price St to do Bull and Gunmakers as they are on the right side of the road off the bus, then back to get bus to Bartons.
Makes sense as 33 or 51 back to town then for 16 to Jewellery Quarter and will save a lot of time.


Gill


It appears the Rock & Roll Brewhouse doesn't open till 5pm which would likely rule it out which is a shame.


Burning Soul Taproom (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/85337/) opens at 3.


I have been looking at what Gill, Mobyduck and Delboy20 wrote and added/subtracted bits from Gill's original route accordingly, including that it makes sense to do Wellington/Old Joint Stock=>Bull/Gunmakers=>Bartons Arms because of where the bus stops are positioned and (as I understand it from the map) avoiding crossing roads that we wouldn't otherwise need to.

[sheffield hatter]

I have been looking at what Gill, Mobyduck and Delboy20 wrote and added/subtracted bits from Gill's original route accordingly, including that it makes sense to do Wellington/Old Joint Stock=>Bull/Gunmakers=>Bartons Arms because of where the bus stops are positioned and (as I understand it from the map) avoiding crossing roads that we wouldn't otherwise need to.

Following from the above, I have tidied this list up to look like this:

Wellington
Old Joint Stock
Bull
Gunmakers
Bartons Arms
Jewellers Arms
Burning Soul Taproom
Colmore
Post Office Vaults
Craven Arms
Lamp Tavern
Anchor
White Swan
Spotted Dog
Woodman

I make that 15 pubs, which one or two people might say is rather too many. One way of trimming them to a more manageable list is to designate a main route and wild cards. I know some people will have their own ideas about these, but just to get the ball rolling I would suggest the Old Joint Stock (magnificent building but considered rather expensive and do we all want to barge in there en mass at lunchtime on a Friday?) and Burning Soul Taproom (not everyone wants to visit taprooms).

Another consideration is that there is quite a large group (listed by Nev at #82 (http://forums.pubsgalore.co.uk/showthread.php?35286-10th-Anniversary-Pub-Crawl-in-Birmingham/page9) - looks like 20), and it would make sense to split into two smaller groups where pubs are close together (like Bull and Gunmakers). And possibly aim for just one of the Post Office Vaults and the Colmore too.

I am also a bit concerned with the five pubs at the end of the list and the chances of people getting lost and missing their trains. See this map (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Post+Office+Vaults,+84+New+St,+Birmingham+B2+4BA/52.4749928,-1.9036677/52.4704519,-1.8924374/52.4744087,-1.8886358/''/''/B5+5LG,+Albert+St,+Birmingham/''/@52.481497,-1.9059718,15.29z/data=!3m1!5s0x4870bc7fd2768101:0x243fa94cddcd0c8d! 4m35!4m34!1m5!1m1!1s0x4870bc8c78a47db1:0x656ac29bf bdb8aa5!2m2!1d-1.9019389!2d52.4793539!1m0!1m0!1m0!1m5!1m1!1s0x487 0bc7e077848c3:0x263211dc13fbc850!2m2!1d-1.886301!2d52.4736645!1m5!1m1!1s0x4870bc7fead0907f :0xe13e7d46603a3f8b!2m2!1d-1.8830051!2d52.4735739!1m5!1m1!1s0x4870bc847039eb5 d:0xdbd19ecf0f040126!2m2!1d-1.8867921!2d52.4817388!1m5!1m1!1s0x487096f1df0e057 1:0xedfa487a0f2ea32e!2m2!1d-1.898958!2d52.477754!3e2) for the walking route from the Post Office Vaults to the next six pubs and then to New Street station - it's 3.5miles: 1hr 12m

I think by this stage such a large group will almost certainly have splintered, so it makes better sense to say that the last five pubs after the Craven Arms are optional depending on stamina and train times (e.g. short cut from Anchor to Woodman), and not make any effort to try to stick together at that stage.

Apologies to Gill if she has been doing something similar, but we haven't heard back from her since her test run on 27 September, and it's only five days until kick off.

[sheffield hatter]

I make that 15 pubs, which one or two people might say is rather too many.

Just to be clear: I am one of those who would say that 15 pubs is rather too many!

I did 12 pubs in Stockport last Friday, mostly halves, and when my train was cancelled I came very close to threatening a railway employee who was giving me duff info about how to get to Sheffield - he wanted me to go into Manchester and catch a train on a different line, because (in hindsight) he misread my ticket and thought it said Stafford not Sheffield. I could have got myself into a lot of trouble because my befuddled head couldn't understand why he was misdirecting me.

I reckon 10 pubs is plenty. :)

[Bucking Fastard]

What we don't know in detail are the departure times for the crawlers but reading back through the thread the London and Southeast contingent are around 8pm (Moby,Big Steve,Clive 20.04),Nige 20.10,Gann 20.14,me 21.10 so I think it is worth keeping the Digbeth pubs on the list .In terms of walking time,the inclusion of the Woodman,fine pub that it is,does crank up the time taken so maybe it can be considered a wild card for those with the time.Below is a route for the last 6 pubs without the Woodman.

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Post+Office+Vaults,+84+New+St,+Birmingham+B2+4BA/52.4749928,-1.9036677/52.4704519,-1.8924374/The+Spotted+Dog,+Warwick+Street,+Birmingham/The+White+Swan,+Bradford+Street,+Deritend,+Birming ham/Anchor+Inn,+Birmingham/Birmingham+New+Street,+Station+Street,+Birmingham/@52.4744728,-1.9024315,15z/data=!3m2!4b1!5s0x4870bc7fd2768101:0x243fa94cddcd0 c8d!4m34!4m33!1m5!1m1!1s0x4870bc8c78a47db1:0x656ac 29bfbdb8aa5!2m2!1d-1.9019389!2d52.4793539!1m0!1m0!1m5!1m1!1s0x4870bc7 fead0907f:0xe13e7d46603a3f8b!2m2!1d-1.8830051!2d52.4735739!1m5!1m1!1s0x4870bc7e077848c 3:0x263211dc13fbc850!2m2!1d-1.886301!2d52.4736645!1m5!1m1!1s0x4870bc87640c49eb :0x3b23881eeea3e5cb!2m2!1d-1.8886127!2d52.4745484!1m5!1m1!1s0x487096f1df0e057 1:0xedfa487a0f2ea32e!2m2!1d-1.898958!2d52.477754!3e2


No one should feel any compulsion to visit every pub on Gill 's list ,I will probably swerve the Burning Soul tap,but the list is useful if folk need to have a rough idea where the crawlers are likely to be if they decide to linger a while longer/miss out a pub /visit somewhere off piste/pub photography missions/ and so on.

The number of pubs visited and the amount of beer consumed has to be a personal choice,so I have nothing against the route that Gill set out.

[sheffield hatter]

I think it is worth keeping the Digbeth pubs on the list .In terms of walking time,the inclusion of the Woodman,fine pub that it is,does crank up the time taken so maybe it can be considered a wild card for those with the time.

No one should feel any compulsion to visit every pub on Gill 's list ,I will probably swerve the Burning Soul tap,but the list is useful if folk need to have a rough idea where the crawlers are likely to be if they decide to linger a while longer/miss out a pub /visit somewhere off piste/pub photography missions/ and so on.

The number of pubs visited and the amount of beer consumed has to be a personal choice,so I have nothing against the route that Gill set out.

Yes, that's a useful map link. The same argument could also apply to the Spotted Dog, which I think is a less worthy pub than the Woodman (though I agree the Woodman is a bit of a trek), but that's just a personal view. I wasn't saying the Digbeth pubs should be taken off the list, merely suggesting that no one should feel that they have let themselves down, let the whole party down, let Pubs Galore down, if they don't complete the whole itinerary.

Which I think is what you're saying too!

[sheffield hatter]

...a roll call of attendees...including where mentioned their estimated time of arrival...

gillhalfpint
Gann (12.23)
Dave M (10.56)
Cider Drinker
Moby Duck (11.49)
Big Steve
Bucking Fastard (11.25)
Clive (11.49)
Nige (13.25)
Thuck Phat
ETA
sheffield hatter
rpadam
Soup Dragon (X51)
Tris39
an_ecumenical_matter
Tony
Real Ale Ray
Mrs Ale
Pangolin
london calling (12.30)

I'll be arriving at 11:54.

Disappointed to see no estimated time of arrival for ETA :)

[gillhalfpint]

Hi,
I am sorry but hadn't put myself down as the organiser and thought I was asked to check bus times for getting to the Barton, and that once in town we would go with the flow.

The pub list was not basically from me, it was me trying to get all the suggestions from the various posts into some sort of order. I agree that splitting between the Bull and Gunmakers, and possibly again for Post Office Vaults and Craven Arms (another that could be a wild card) may help, and the Burning Souls is down to those who want to do it. To be honest I think the White Swan in Digbeth should be on the list and maybe miss out the Jewellers Arms which is a trip out for one pub seeing as Rock and Roll not open till later.

Personally I would miss the Anchor out, fine pub but....also Old Joint Stock, maybe Craven as there are 2 Black Country Ales pubs on the list, it is down to what you want. Pubs or beer choice. You are Pubs Galore so I understand it is all about the pubs, but 20 turning up in a pub where there may be one person serving may make 2 groups more viable.

Hope this helps and I will be in the Welly early on the Friday.

Gill

[gillhalfpint]

Although I agree the Barton's is a magnificent pub and one I've visited a few times, and I do like Oakham ales, I'll be giving this one a miss on the day, just so I can spend some extra time supping in one of the other great Brum pubs. We're spoiled for choice :cheers:

This says a lot you know. Trying to get a pub list to make so many folk happy with the running order is hard work, and Birmingham from being a virtual dessert is now becoming a place where we do it by areas, so it is hard to get the pubs everyone wants included into a list to keep everyone happy,

Gill

[Bucking Fastard]

Hi,
and maybe miss out the Jewellers Arms which is a trip out for one pub seeing as Rock and Roll not open till later.



As a matter of interest ,is the Jewellers Arms a "must visit" pub ,I've never been ? Will the need to get there and back on public transport be rewarded ?

[sheffield hatter]

As a matter of interest ,is the Jewellers Arms a "must visit" pub ,I've never been ? Will the need to get there and back on public transport be rewarded ?

It's a Black Country Ales pub. I've only been there on a Saturday after football at WBA when it was difficult to form an opinion.

[sheffield hatter]

Hi,
I am sorry but hadn't put myself down as the organiser and thought I was asked to check bus times for getting to the Barton, and that once in town we would go with the flow.

The pub list was not basically from me, it was me trying to get all the suggestions from the various posts into some sort of order. I agree that splitting between the Bull and Gunmakers, and possibly again for Post Office Vaults and Craven Arms (another that could be a wild card) may help, and the Burning Souls is down to those who want to do it. To be honest I think the White Swan in Digbeth should be on the list and maybe miss out the Jewellers Arms which is a trip out for one pub seeing as Rock and Roll not open till later.

Personally I would miss the Anchor out, fine pub but....also Old Joint Stock, maybe Craven as there are 2 Black Country Ales pubs on the list, it is down to what you want. Pubs or beer choice. You are Pubs Galore so I understand it is all about the pubs, but 20 turning up in a pub where there may be one person serving may make 2 groups more viable.

Hope this helps and I will be in the Welly early on the Friday.

Gill

Really appreciate the work you've put in, Gill.

The point you made about the bus stops for the Bull and/or Gunmakers and doing those before going on the same buses to the Bartons Arms was well made.

I've been to the Jewellers Arms but not the Craven Arms, so I know which way I'm going; others can decide for themselves. But your "a trip out for one pub" is also a good point.

I think we can pick and choose amongst the Anchor/White Swan/Spotted Dog etc. I'm keen to go to the Lamp Tavern as when I was there before (about 2005?) I was a little the worse for wear and can remember nothing of it.

Thanks for reiterating my point about 20 people all turning up at once.

See you Friday! (And Ray, of course.)

[Real Ale Ray]

I think before everyone goes into top gear running off from the Wellington, maybe we should visit the POV and the Head of Steam early, as these two pubs get very busy Fri evenings, especially the POV with such limited space downstairs.

Head of Steam could be a wild card, as it's so close to the Welly...

[Pangolin]

Apologies if someone has already pointed it out earlier in the thread, but the 8A bus goes from just behind the Bartons direct to Jewellery Quarter station in about 10 mins.

[gillhalfpint]

Apologies if someone has already pointed it out earlier in the thread, but the 8A bus goes from just behind the Bartons direct to Jewellery Quarter station in about 10 mins.

Cheers. That will work well and certainly save a lot of time.

[AlanH]

With less than a week until the big event,I thought it might be useful to do a roll call of attendees.Looking back over this tread ,and making a few assumptions,it looks like the following have signed up (including were mentioned their estimate time of arrival)




Apologies if I have missed anyone out ,or included them by mistake.I will edit the list with any new information.

gillhalfpint
Gann (12.23)
Dave M (10.56)
Cider Drinker
Moby Duck (11.49)
Big Steve
Bucking Fastard (11.25)
Clive (11.49)
Nige (13.25)
Thuck Phat
ETA
sheffield hatter (11.54)
rpadam
Soup Dragon (X51)
Tris39
an_ecumenical_matter
Tony
Real Ale Ray
Mrs Ale
Pangolin
london calling (12.30)

Looks like a decent turnout,so following Gill's route see you at the start in the Wellington.

AlanH hoping to come if swollen leg better.

Arrive 10.32 for 'spoons brekkie
Depart 20.25

[Mobyduck]

AlanH hoping to come if swollen leg better.

Arrive 10.32 for 'spoons brekkie
Depart 20.25

:drinkup: The more the merrier, hope the leg behaves itself. :cheers:

[rpadam]

As a matter of interest ,is the Jewellers Arms a "must visit" pub ,I've never been ? Will the need to get there and back on public transport be rewarded ?
Went there last week for the first time since it changed hands, on an unplanned visit due to the tram system grinding to a halt, and was pleasantly surprised about the job Black Country Ales have done with the place. Certainly worth a stop if in the area.

[Bucking Fastard]

Went there last week for the first time since it changed hands, on an unplanned visit due to the tram system grinding to a halt, and was pleasantly surprised about the job Black Country Ales have done with the place. Certainly worth a stop if in the area.

Thanks,sounds good.

[Dave M]

Sorry for still not getting a proper pub crawl tool together.

I've created a map for this one based on how it looks to me https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubcrawl/birmingham.php

I've gone with a main crawl of 13 pubs with 4 wild cards. I'm leaning towards Good Intent rather than Old Joint Stock, but that depends mainly on if anyone else is doing that.

Timings based on spending 26 minutes per pub and walking between all of them, so really only a rough guide.

Tammy probably not joining me as she's had a cold all week (negative LFD tests every day).

[Gann]

Tammy probably not joining me as she's had a cold all week (negative LFD tests every day).

Sorry to hear that Dave, there's a lot of Winter colds strains knocking people out at the moment. Thats what happens when you lock us all away and our immune systems have nothing to fight off for a year.
I believe keeping hydrated accelerates its passing so a day on the fizzy apple juice could do Tammy good...

Looking forward to seeing everyone tomorrow and meeting up again after all this time..

[sheffield hatter]

Tammy probably not joining me as she's had a cold all week (negative LFD tests every day).

Please pass on my best wishes.


Sorry for still not getting a proper pub crawl tool together.

I've created a map for this one based on how it looks to me https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubcrawl/birmingham.php

I've gone with a main crawl of 13 pubs with 4 wild cards.


I like the way you can move the pubs up and down the order, or relegate/promote them to/from "wild card". Presumably there is a feature that calculates the route when they have been rearranged but you haven't completed that part of it yet?



I'm leaning towards Good Intent rather than Old Joint Stock, but that depends mainly on if anyone else is doing that.


I was thinking of including that one, as I've been to the Old Joint Stock.


Timings based on spending 26 minutes per pub and walking between all of them, so really only a rough guide.

It'll take 26 minutes to get served if we walk into these pubs mob-handed!

[Mobyduck]

Sorry for still not getting a proper pub crawl tool together.

I've created a map for this one based on how it looks to me https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubcrawl/birmingham.php

I've gone with a main crawl of 13 pubs with 4 wild cards. I'm leaning towards Good Intent rather than Old Joint Stock, but that depends mainly on if anyone else is doing that.

Timings based on spending 26 minutes per pub and walking between all of them, so really only a rough guide.

Tammy probably not joining me as she's had a cold all week (negative LFD tests every day).
Nice one Dave, a shame if Tammy can't make it.

[Tris39]

Tammy probably not joining me as she's had a cold all week (negative LFD tests every day).

A lot about, I had a bout of this a while back. I found that this stuff is a good affordable all-rounder (https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=2XzCIxrJ&id=0E70FD9A860A873785D7712A2598A436D1A20C70&thid=OIP.2XzCIxrJO1xslNQFzE4uEAHaKK&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fth.bing.com%2fth%2fid%2fR.d 97cc2231ac93b5c6c94d405cc4e2e10%3frik%3dcAyi0TakmC UqcQ%26riu%3dhttp%253a%252f%252fBoots.scene7.com%2 52fis%252fimage%252fBoots%252f10116022%253fwid%253 d153%2526hei%253d210%2526op_sharpen%253d1%26ehk%3d ZkyppFef5SjitRDW9J0iamOI2Rlw817Qt3wqJYUbFDc%253d%2 6risl%3d%26pid%3dImgRaw%26r%3d0&exph=210&expw=153&q=boots+ultra+cold+and+flu+relief&simid=607987431629143893&FORM=IRPRST&ck=90155C198C4988FCDE10DCC9238B8394&selectedIndex=0&idpp=overlayview&ajaxhist=0&ajaxserp=0) to keep symptoms at a minimum.

[Mobyduck]

Looking forward to seeing everyone tomorrow and meeting up again after all this time..

Ditto.

[Real Ale Ray]

Tammy probably not joining me as she's had a cold all week (negative LFD tests every day).

Ah that's a pity Tammy, I was looking forward to nicking your cider...

[rpadam]

Staying over in a gruesome Travelodge (not even doing breakfasts, but unsurprisingly cheap) after working in Brum today, so will probably head to the Briar Rose for a fry-up at about 10:45.

NB - As a public duty, I'm currently visiting a few 'Winfields' - think John Smith's, Worthington's if you're lucky or keg Banks's Original (mild) as a best case - in the outer suburbs near where a Soup Dragon is known to roam.

[sheffield hatter]

Staying over in a gruesome Travelodge (not even doing breakfasts, but unsurprisingly cheap) after working in Brum today, so will probably head to the Briar Rose for a fry-up at about 10:45.

NB - As a public duty, I'm currently visiting a few 'Winfields' - think John Smith's, Worthington's if you're lucky or keg Banks's Original (mild) as a best case - in the outer suburbs near where a Soup Dragon is known to roam.

Well done for stepping up to the plate. I was thinking of doing something similar, and even looked at some hotels, but the thought of all that John Smiths Smooth Crap was too much.

[sheffield hatter]

I've gone with a main crawl of 13 pubs with 4 wild cards.

I know this is very late in the day, and some of you will have set off for your trains in the morning before seeing this, but having said that 15 was too many and Dave having ignored me and gone for 17, I've now got another wild card. From my copy of Camra's Real Heritage Pubs of the Midlands: Rose Villa Tavern (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/37831/). It's a similar distance from the Jewellery Quarter station & tram stop as the Jewellers Arms, so if there happen to still be 20-odd of us getting off the tram at the same time, a split might be advantageous when it comes to getting served promptly. Not to mention, it seems to be a lovely pub.

[rpadam]

Well done for stepping up to the plate. I was thinking of doing something similar, and even looked at some hotels, but the thought of all that John Smiths Smooth Crap was too much.
Happy to take one for the team, but I should add that I unexpectedly found the 5.0% Hornswoggle from Froth Blowers on handpump at the The Kingfisher (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/70183/) near Great Barr.

[gillhalfpint]

I know this is very late in the day, and some of you will have set off for your trains in the morning before seeing this, but having said that 15 was too many and Dave having ignored me and gone for 17, I've now got another wild card. From my copy of Camra's Real Heritage Pubs of the Midlands: Rose Villa Tavern (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/37831/). It's a similar distance from the Jewellery Quarter station & tram stop as the Jewellers Arms, so if there happen to still be 20-odd of us getting off the tram at the same time, a split might be advantageous when it comes to getting served promptly. Not to mention, it seems to be a lovely pub.

Rose Villa Tavern is a lovely pub, and one to wander round the rooms and there was a phone box inside when we were last in there. Today going to be fun. I won't be capable of having a drink in every pub, but I am game to get round as many as I can with you all. Ray will do what he can, but may just do a few at the start, but I am so looking forward to having a go.

Something else to think about, Birmingham City playing West Brom tonight at Albion 8pm, so there will be footy fans having a drink before going to the match, and likely a few of the pubs screening the match. Will only affect those not on earlier trains home I suppose, but there will be fans around.

Gill

[ETA]

Apologies chaps, I'm now not able to join. Have a good one and I look forward to reading all about it.

[sheffield hatter]

Apologies chaps, I'm now not able to join. Have a good one and I look forward to reading all about it.

Well, that's a blow. I'd been looking forward to meeting you again. Maybe next time.

[an_ecumenical_matter]

Tony 1056 arrival, me 1124, I started the voyage at 0100 !!!

[AlanH]

'Spoons packed out. Hard to find a table and keep it whilst ordering .

Brekkie cami in minutes😄

[rpadam]

'Spoons packed out. Hard to find a table and keep it whilst ordering .
That's why I use the app at breakfast time!

[gillhalfpint]

We are in Wellington saving a large area towards the rear of the pub.

Gill

[Soup Dragon]

hi all, i am going to struggle to come early but maybe able to visit later - need to finish an article i am writing. i did text Real Ale Ray, but either he has changed number or he is never sober enough to turn his phone on! :-) if he or BF could message me on here or if they still have my number I can know where you are for a bit later just in case!

[gillhalfpint]

We are on bus stop now. Thought you were doing ojs first On 51

[gillhalfpint]

In Bull. With Alan. So very sorry.

[an_ecumenical_matter]

Soupy, Jacinta don't know what rong with phone, we getting tram to Jewellers arms now

[gillhalfpint]

Going to the Lamp and then a bus home. Thank you Alan for your company today. Hope you enjoyed yourself.
Gill

[an_ecumenical_matter]

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[Mobyduck]

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A motley crew.

[london calling]

Got back home about 20 mins .had a couple of pints in the euston tap.great to meet you guys again but will post tomorrow about what I thought of the day

[gillhalfpint]

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Good photo. Glad you managed to get together again. I called it a day after the Colmore, but got down to the Lamp Tavern before going home. Ray had an interesting day on his own. From the Wellington he got to the Colmore and Post Office Vaults. Walked up to the Craven Arms then checked the Victoria on his way back down but it was closed. From there he walked down towards the Lamp Tavern calling in the Dragon JDW, and noticed that the Sly Old Fox was closed. He went to the Lamp Tavern and the White Rose before going home. Not a bad day out.

Gill

[Gann]

Great to see everyone yesterday and thoroughly enjoyed catching up with old friends.

Thought the crawl itself was a bit chaotic but didn’t personally care because this one was more social event than serious pub and beer ticking for me.
And in the cold light of day I am a bit amazed we all managed to be in the same place at the same time for a photo, and in a Thornbridge pub as well, who would have thought 🤣
Also quite surprised I did as many pubs on the day as I did with some good new ones for me. Also thought the quality and choice of ale was good also, but then I do like Oakham and the T Brewery…
I’m sure it will be discussed but I did miss a timed running order and would like to see this back for the next one.

[an_ecumenical_matter]

Great to see everyone yesterday and thoroughly enjoyed catching up with old friends.

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I’m sure it will be discussed but I did miss a timed running order and would like to see this back for the next one.
I'll second that emotion.

I went outside for a fone call and said feck I'll get on the train, I'd been up since 1230 that morning ! A great catch up. Did Ray ever pay for a bus or a tram or are him and Jacinta thumbing for a lift home on the slip road of spaggetti junction as I write ??? :D

[Mobyduck]

Great day apart from me and Steve unable to find the station and platform in time for our allotted train :moremad:, managed one an hour later without extra charge but to late for the last train out of Basingstoke, so a £25.00 taxi home.
Managed seven new pubs from the 10 I visited so not bad but gave up note taking at an early stage so any reviews will be sketchy in the least, The Bull probably being my favourite.
Already looking forward to the next one.

[rpadam]

I am a bit amazed we all managed to be in the same place at the same time for a photo,
... apart from one miscreant who was still off piste somewhere between the Burning Soul Taproom, Rock & Roll Brewhouse and 1000 Trades at that time...

[Bucking Fastard]

Great to see everybody after a near two year hiatus,and hope you all got home safely.Some fantastic new pub visits ,the Plus Bus ticket option really came in useful........if only I knew where the buses stopped in the city centre. :o

See you on the next one.

[Tris39]

Got back home about 20 mins .had a couple of pints in the euston tap.great to meet you guys again but will post tomorrow about what I thought of the day

I must have walked right past you.


Great to see everybody after a near two year hiatus,and hope you all got home safely.Some fantastic new pub visits ,the Plus Bus ticket option really came in useful........if only I knew where the buses stopped in the city centre. :o

See you on the next one.

Yes! Absolutely second that.


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[Mobyduck]

Ah yes. Nice jugs!
Something to do with Bulls and China shops.

[Pubsignman]

Looks like a great day out. Really disappointed I couldn't make this one - the only Friday in October I couldn't do :rolleyes:

I'll look forward to reading the reviews - always love drinking in Brum and it sounds like there are a fair few new places to check out since I was last there. Hope I can make the next crawl, wherever that might be...

[Tris39]

Hope I can make the next crawl, wherever that might be...

Preston, isn't it?

[trainman]

Great day apart from me and Steve unable to find the station and platform in time for our allotted train :moremad:
I've had trouble finding the wormhole into New Street in the past, and with most locals unable (or unwilling) to give me a steer...!

[Pangolin]

Well I thoroughly enjoyed the day, meeting friends old and new, visiting pubs familiar and new, and achieving a different beer in every pub with only one slightly duff one. An excellent range of pubs and beers - come to think of it, I don't believe we actually visited a pub serving Doom Bar!!! Much looking forward to seeing everyone again on the next one, or possibly some mini-crawls before.

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[rpadam]

I learned several interesting things in the Burning Soul Taproom (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/85337/), having turned up an hour before opening time due to contradictory information from various online sources, but the duty manager / brewer kindly humoured me and was happy to serve a pint as he got the place ready before coming over for a chat.

In particular, after mentioning the earlier stop by one of the groups at The Bartons Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/53682/), he advised that this is no longer owned by Oakham since they recently accepted an offer from the team managing the pub and kitchen. However, that brewery's ales will still be a regular feature I understand, but with more guest beers in the future (e.g. the pair from Froth Blowers available when we called in).

[london calling]

i had a great day in Brum.Thanks go to Nev for guiding us around.After the Colmore i decided to tick a few pubs that you guys have done.
Wellington nice pint of blue monkey
old joint stock -very nice darkstar equinox
post office vaults -halfs of kinver and twisted wheel again nice
briar rose decent half of a printworks beer
shakespeare -as i sat drinking my half of black sheep bitter i realised i had had enough so why was i drinking this distress purchase.Caught an earlier train ,slept for most of the 2hr journey and was fit enough to have a couple of pints at Euston.Impressed with Birmingham itself ,liked the pubs and that mirrored facade on the train station was superb. cheers john

[Thuck Phat]

Great day out on Friday and especially good to meet up with old friends and new after nearly 2 years of restrictions.

I thought the route was great and it made a interesting change to tour some of the less central pubs rather than sticking to the mainstream. As John said, thank you to Nev for tour guiding duties.

[Tris39]

Thanks go to Nev for guiding us around.


As John said, thank you to Nev for tour guiding duties.

And of course a big Thank You to Soupey for his knowledge and navigational tips, without whom I'd probably still be doing laps of the Brum tram system!

[Real Ale Ray]

A Truly Magical DAY !!! as always on our meet ups, cheers everyone.

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[an_ecumenical_matter]

Does anyone remember when our splinter went to the Black Eagle, well the former pub on the corner the Soho Lounge is on here today and the grub looks scrumptious. The barman in the Black Eagle tells me it's theirs as well. And second edit- Purity UBU and Mad Goose in great nick on.

https://youtu.be/ab0T2IJFfZY