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Quinno
30-12-2018, 10:58
As the title says. Following this comment in another thread;


I think it would be a better idea to challenge everyone to publish on the forum their own top 10 pubs of all time with no obligatory comment or justification and most definitely no discussion or arguments about the choices.
This would be a separate thread from the top beers or pubs of the year and the worst pub.

As with all these lists it would be totally irrelevant!

I thought it would be fun to start one.

This is not easy, as I have just discovered. Getting on for 3,800 reviews, I have scored 32 a perfect 10 (0.84%)*. Of these 32, there are a number where I would have the score at 9.5, which knocks about half out. This left 19 to narrow down to 10! I gave favour to those where I have visited more than once - maintaining a 10 across multiple visits is a feat in itself. Then knocked out some where the last visit was more than 5 years ago. Then I filled the last few places with those where I shelved plans to move elsewhere, or I made a revisit during a crawl. Your methodology may be a bit different, of course ;)

So here, in no particular order, is the Quinno Top 10 (thus far...)!


The Bell Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/61608/) Aldworth
The Monks Walk (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/60267/) Beverley
West Riding Licensed Refreshment Rooms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/40387/) Dewsbury
The Whalebone (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/52688/) Hull
The Strugglers Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/21492/) Lincoln
Nags Head (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/1691/) Reading
Beacon Hotel (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/38292/) Sedgley
Kelham Island Tavern (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/56068/) Sheffield
The Guide Dog (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/59830/) Southampton
The Great Western (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/39188/) Wolverhampton


* - Snow White ran a bit of script which pulled out all my scores for every pub, so if you want the same, I'm sure you just need to ask nicely :)

sheffield hatter
30-12-2018, 11:41
Top 10 (thus far...)!

Yes, it's not easy, is it! (I've been to eight of your 10 and know the other two by reputation or recommendation, so applaud your choices.)

It's made even harder for me by the fact I've only ever awarded eight scores of 10. Going through those and my slightly more numerous nines, I recognise quite a few instances where I've been influenced by an emotional reaction to the pub: being bowled over. Most of these are pubs that have scored highly for what was a very brief visit and that, on reflection, may not have been as good as I thought they were. But if I've only been there once, who can tell?

So, with reservations as above, here's my Top 10:

Talbot Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/55447/), Settle
Yew Tree (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/68013/), Cauldon
Blake Hotel (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/43068/), Sheffield
Manor Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/6008/), Broughton in Furness
Fox & Goose (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/40554/), Hebden Bridge
Pelican Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/12616/), Gloucester
Barrels (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/30396/), Berwick upon Tweed
Brunswick Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/7022/), Derby
Globe (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/1127/), Dunstable
Barley Mow (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/6628/), Kirk Ireton
Victoria (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/63823/), Great Harwood

Oops, miscounted. That's 11!

Quinno
30-12-2018, 12:08
Yes, it's not easy, is it! (I've been to eight of your 10 and know the other two by reputation or recommendation, so applaud your choices.)

It's made even harder for me by the fact I've only ever awarded eight scores of 10. Going through those and my slightly more numerous nines, I recognise quite a few instances where I've been influenced by an emotional reaction to the pub: being bowled over. Most of these are pubs that have scored highly for what was a very brief visit and that, on reflection, may not have been as good as I thought they were. But if I've only been there once, who can tell?

So, with reservations as above, here's my Top 10:

Talbot Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/55447/), Settle
Yew Tree (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/68013/), Cauldon
Blake Hotel (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/43068/), Sheffield
Manor Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/6008/), Broughton in Furness
Fox & Goose (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/40554/), Hebden Bridge
Pelican Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/12616/), Gloucester
Barrels (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/30396/), Berwick upon Tweed
Brunswick Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/7022/), Derby
Globe (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/1127/), Dunstable
Barley Mow (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/6628/), Kirk Ireton
Victoria (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/63823/), Great Harwood

Oops, miscounted. That's 11!

The Brunswick! Now that's interesting, I wondered if it was missing. I had that in my list of 9's (which I didn't consult) - a 9.5, really. Part of the reflections I had doing my list was that, despite me being generally more kindly to places than perhaps some other reviewers, I have got more discerning when comes to awarding the bigger scores over the last couple of years. There were some in my list of 10's that I doubt I would give a 10 to now. If the list was extended to 20, the Brunswick would definitely feature on it... *makes note to do this list later*

Mobyduck
30-12-2018, 15:00
A possibly predictable Southern/London - centric top 10 though there were a couple of northerners in the 20 or so I whittled it down from , again in no particular order...

Square & Compass (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/56088/), Worth Matravers
Nags Head, (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/1691/) Reading
Hope (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/35464/),Carshalton
Guide Dog (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/59830/), Southampton
Harp (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/53779/)WC2
Wenlock Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/23683/),N1
Wonston Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/14200/),Wonston
Antelope (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/53206/),Surbiton
Southampton Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/23788/)NW5
Flowerpots Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/59523/),Cheriton

Aqualung
30-12-2018, 16:17
I wish I hadn't suggested this now as it's so difficult! I've been to all of these more than once and this is very much a whittled down list:-

Great Western (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/39188/), Wolverhampton
Organ Grinder (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/20818/), Loughborough
The Imperial (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/7923/), Exeter
Beacon Hotel (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/38292/), Sedgley
Cumberland Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/36426/), Byker
Britannia (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/38294/), Upper Gornal
Angels Micropub (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/84285/), Belper
Codsall Station (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/63314/), Codsall
Albion (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/54162/), Conwy
Hare & Hounds (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/40555/), Nr Hebden Bridge

Some of these were scored at 9 but I've returned to all of them apart from the Cumberland since I did the review.



I wanted to include one from Scotland but there's so few I've been to more than once apart from the odd JDW. However I'll still go for the State (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/50049/) bar in Glasgow. I call it the "What a state" bar.

Aqualung
30-12-2018, 16:28
The Brunswick! Now that's interesting, I wondered if it was missing. I had that in my list of 9's (which I didn't consult) - a 9.5, really. Part of the reflections I had doing my list was that, despite me being generally more kindly to places than perhaps some others, I have got more discerning when comes to awarding the bigger scores over the last couple of years. There were some in my list of 10's that I doubt I would give a 10 to now. If the list was extended to 20, the Brunswick would definitely feature on it... *makes note to do this list later*

My problem with the Brunswick is that I marginally prefer the Alex and am probably the only one who does. I gave both a 9 which is defo stingy but I couldn't resolve giving one a higher score than the other.
I wouldn't have a clue as to how a list of my 10 scores would be extracted so my list is all based on memory!

Millay
30-12-2018, 16:28
This was almost impossible, my first list had about 25 pubs on it. So I've discounted any local favourites and just had a little tour around the country

The Plough, Worcester (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/64464/)
The Gardener's Arms, Lewes (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/10995/)
The Brunswick Inn, Derby (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/7022/)
Roscoe Head, Liverpool (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/26837/)
John Hewitt, Belfast (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/67829/)
The Malt Shovel, Northampton (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/30114/)
The Crown Inn, Stockport (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/53526/)
The Malt & Hops, Edinburgh (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/49015/)
The Marble Arch, Manchester (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/26061/)
The Star Inn, Bath (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/3/)

Bucking Fastard
30-12-2018, 16:58
Great thread.

When ever I am near any other these 10,I always pop in and am more than likely to spend the rest of the evening supping their great ale.In alphabetical order,

1. Bull & Bladder (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/38031/),Brierly Hill (Properly known as The Vine)
2. Cask (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/22988/) ,Pimlico
3.Doris Pardoes (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/53681/),Netherton (Properly known at The Old Swan Inn )
4.Great Western (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/39188/),Wolverhampton
5.Grove (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/40654/),Huddersfield
6.Harry's Bar (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/60167/),Wakefield
7.Marble Arch (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/26061/),Manchester
8.Nags Head (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/1691/),Reading
9.Organ Grinder (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/20818/),Loughborough
10.Royal Exchange (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/34611/),Stone

Many great pubs just missed the cut,but that's life.

Spinko
30-12-2018, 17:44
In no particular order...

The Moorbrook, Preston
Marble Arch, Manchester
The Grove, Leeds
The Grove, Huddersfield
The Grocers, Salford
Fernandes Brewery Tap, Wakefield
Cricketers, St Helens
North Bar, Leeds
Ship and Castle, Aberystwyth
The Hope, Stockport

I feel like there should be one or two from York, more from Manchester, and one from my visits to Wiltshire and Berkshire but never mind..

NickDavies
30-12-2018, 18:19
Randomly -

The Camp House Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/42408/), Grimley, nr Worcester
The Royal Oak (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/24284/), London SE1
The Bell (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/53262/), Walton on the Hill, Surrey
The City Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/59965/), Manchester
The Briton's Protection (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/59999/), Manchester
The Case Is Altered (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/37350/), Five Ways, nr Warwick
The Bell Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/61608/), Aldworth
Old Swan Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/53681/), Netherton
The Garland (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/36046/), Redhill
The Fleece Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/42105/), Bretforton, nr Evesham

Tends to reflect areas I visit often - I guess I don't get around as much as some of you guys..

Quinno
30-12-2018, 18:52
Randomly -

The Camp House Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/42408/), Grimley, nr Worcester
The Royal Oak (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/24284/), London SE1
The Bell (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/53262/), Walton on the Hill, Surrey
The City Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/59965/), Manchester
The Briton's Protection (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/59999/), Manchester
The Case Is Altered (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/37350/), Five Ways, nr Warwick
The Bell Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/61608/), Aldworth
Old Swan Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/53681/), Netherton
The Garland (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/36046/), Redhill
The Fleece Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/42105/), Bretforton, nr Evesham

Tends to reflect areas I visit often - I guess I don't get around as much as some of you guys..

Stick a review up for the Bell Aldworth then, lad!


Great thread.

When ever I am near any other these 10,I always pop in and am more than likely to spend the rest of the evening supping their great ale.In alphabetical order,

1. Bull & Bladder (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/38031/),Brierly Hill
2. Cask (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/22988/) ,Pimlico
3.Doris Pardoes (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/53681/),Netherton
4.Great Western (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/39188/),Wolverhampton
5.Grove (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/40654/),Huddersfield
6.Harry's Bar (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/60167/),Wakefield
7.Marble Arch (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/26061/),Manchester
8.Nags Head (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/1691/),Reading
9.Organ Grinder (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/20818/),Loughborough
10.Royal Exchange (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/34611/),Stone

Many great pubs just missed the cut,but that's life.

Oh my, the Plough! A bit like the Brunswick, a 9.5er and it has multiple visits. An absolute Top 20 pub!

The joy of seeing these top 10's is that we can all grab some to put on our 'must-do' lists for the next 18 months. There are a few I have not really heard of before, so is fantastic intel for me to plan away days.

Wittenden
30-12-2018, 22:44
Purely subjective,largely southern ,pubs that I like to revisit:
The Farmers Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/63200/)
The Cover Bridge Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/58503/)
The Rake (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/55175/)
The Blue Bell (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/43505/)
Red Lion (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/59104/)
The Shipwrights Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/16050/)
The Black Dog (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/81509/)
The Salehurst Halt (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/11066/)
Earle Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/28460/)
The Three Stags Heads (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/65760/)

Aqualung
30-12-2018, 23:12
Purely subjective,largely southern ,pubs that I like to revisit:
The Farmers Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/63200/)
The Cover Bridge Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/58503/)
The Rake (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/55175/)
The Blue Bell (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/43505/)
Red Lion (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/59104/)
The Shipwrights Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/16050/)
The Black Dog (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/81509/)
The Salehurst Halt (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/11066/)
Earle Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/28460/)
The Three Stags Heads (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/65760/)

I was reluctant to discard the Red Lion at Snargate from my list and also the Cricketers at Berwick which I thought may be on your one. It just goes to show what a difficult choice it is!

oldboots
31-12-2018, 08:51
Hugely difficult and of course a moving target, especially as the OP by Aqualung said "of all time". As most know I don't do scores so my list is based on those that come to mind almost instantly. So here's today's list, one of the pubs is now shut but hopefully will reopen, no particular order.

The Blue Bell (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/43505/)
The Cover Bridge Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/58503/)
Templar Hotel (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/42952/)
Harrogate Tap (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/81224/)
Crown Posada (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/36424/)
The Fat Cat (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/43149/)
Beacon Hotel (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/38292/)
The Newport Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/59812/)
The Vine (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/38031/)
The Wellington (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/37946/)

Mobyduck
31-12-2018, 08:54
Hugely difficult and of course a moving target, especially as the OP by Aqualung said "of all time". As most know I don't do scores so my list is based on those that come to mind almost instantly. So here's today's list, one of the pubs is now shut but hopefully will reopen, no particular order.

The Blue Bell (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/43505/)
The Cover Bridge Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/58503/)
Templar Hotel (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/42952/)
Harrogate Tap (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/81224/)
Crown Posada (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/36424/)
The Fat Cat (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/43149/)
Beacon Hotel (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/38292/)
The Newport Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/59812/)
The Vine (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/38031/)
The Wellington (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/37946/)

Nothing from Basingstoke? :whistle:

ETA
31-12-2018, 09:34
Yes, this is a bit of fun, so thank you Aqualung.

My top 10, in no particular order, are:



The Brace of Pheasants (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/60574//)

The Elephant (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/16038/)

The Guide Dog (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/59830/)

The Anderson (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/64670/)

The Halfway House (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/33020/)

The Oak (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/60572/)

The Old Bell and Crown (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/59542/)

The Wyndham Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/41766/)

The Hole in the Wall (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/54396/)

The King George V (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/9862/)

I too was reluctant to discard the Red Lion in Snargate, The Cricketers in Farncombe and The Shipwright's Arms.

oldboots
31-12-2018, 11:01
Nothing from Basingstoke? :whistle:

Well I did toy with including the Feathers or the long closed George but nah one in the south is enough

aleandhearty
31-12-2018, 12:51
Not easy keeping it to ten, as others have commented. In no particular order:


The Bartons Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/53682/), Aston.
The Whalebone (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/52688/), Hull.
The Warrington Hotel (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/22747/), W9 (Maida Vale).
Harry's Bar (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/60167/), Wakefield.
Shakespeares (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/43362/), Sheffield.
The Grove (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/40654/), Huddersfield.
Whitelocks First City Luncheon Bar (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/54017/), Leeds
The Old Cock (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/71313/), Otley.
The Castle Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/5075/), St Ives (Cornwall).
The George & Dragon Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/65692/), Aysgarth.

Undoubtedly a flawed list, as several of them I've only visited once and for some of them it's been quite a while since I darkened the door.

Wittenden
31-12-2018, 13:53
I was reluctant to discard the Red Lion at Snargate from my list and also the Cricketers at Berwick which I thought may be on your one. It just goes to show what a difficult choice it is!

Ahh, the Cricketers.Perhaps I should substitute it for either the Earle Arms of the Three Stags Heads,neither of which I'm likely to revisit or logistical reasons.

london calling
31-12-2018, 20:55
Here are ten London pubs I visit regularly.I am a beer ticker first then a pub ticker so beer range and quality are a priority.One thing I have found out over the years of reviewing pubs on this site is my opinion of a pub changes with multiple visits but you can only review it as you find it.
Express -Brentford
King and co -Brixton
Crown and Anchor -Brixton
Cask and Kitchen -Pimlico
Craft Beer Co -Covent Garden
Masons Arms -Teddington
Chesham Arms -Hackney
Antelope -Surbiton
Mitre -Richmond
Dukes Head -Highgate
cheers john

sheffield hatter
31-12-2018, 22:14
...neither of which I'm likely to revisit for logistical reasons.

I see where you're coming from. And I had similar qualms myself (see #2 above). But if they were among your 10 best pub visits and therefore the best pubs (in your opinion), why not stick to your gut feeling? The whole point of this thread (it seems to me) is to get a look at what each of us have discovered in our various trawls of this country's pubs.

If we all liked the same 10 pubs, how sad (and tedious) would that be?

We've all previously had a go at some of the pub lists provided by "connoisseurs" of one sort or another (mostly journalists - and I don't use the word in a derogatory sense), so this is our opportunity. This is our forum: be bold, be positive, take ownership.

It's not about arriving at a "Pubs Galore Top 100" (at least, I would argue against such an approach). It's about sharing amongst ourselves on this forum what it is we like about pubs, wherever we may find them.

I like the way Quinno exclaims at recalling pubs that others have rated in their top 10s that almost made his own. I like the words of wisdom from John : "One thing I have found out over the years of reviewing pubs on this site is my opinion of a pub changes with multiple visits but you can only review it as you find it." I like it that you, Wittenden, enjoyed the quirky Three Stags Heads even though you're never likely to go there again - a friend that I was talking to down the pub tonight recalled a time when we visited that pub a few years ago, and we may visit again as a result; we live 20 miles from Wardlow Mires. I like recognising the names of pubs others have listed but I haven't - why is it a 7 for me but a 10 for them? (And vice versa - and does it matter? No, obviously not.)

I like the regional biases - nothing from Basingstoke, obviously - and this is where we get one over on the aforementioned experts, since we're (collectively) from all over the country, and - more to the point - we travel to other parts of the country with the intention of seeking out and enjoying the pubs that we find there. If they have views and walks as well, that's just a bonus.

Oh, and if anyone has recommended a pub on this thread but not actually written a review, please do so asap to spare your blushes.

(Don't forget to take photos too.)

Aqualung
31-12-2018, 23:56
I agree with the above apart from the bit about not being derogatory about journalists! My list is fairly spontaneous and based on all sorts of factors and prejudices! I feel no need to change it although if I did it again in six months time there would probably be changes but I would recommend that Wittenden didn't make any changes. I think these lists are more useful than the ones produced by newspapers and websites as they highlight to a degree what people on this site are looking for in a pub.
Anyone up for a list of great pubs from the past that have closed or been ruined?

NickDavies
01-01-2019, 08:57
Oh, and if anyone has recommended a pub on this thread but not actually written a review, please do so asap to spare your blushes.


I hold my hands up....but I can't honestly write a review of a pub I haven't visited for a couple of years having never got round to doing so at the time. That doesn't stop it being one of my favourites.

rpadam
01-01-2019, 13:50
Bartons Arms, Aston (B6) (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/53682/)
Bhurtpore, Aston (CW5) (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/61339/)
Bridge, Topsham (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/7875/)
Falkland Arms, Great Tew (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/57996/)
Halfway House, Brenchley (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/53015/)
Halfway House, Edinburgh (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/48958/)
Royal Oak, Borough (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/24284/)
Square & Compass, Worth Matravers (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/56088/)
Vine (Bull & Bladder), Brierley Hill (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/38031/)
Black Horse, Preston (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/19630/)

Pangolin
02-01-2019, 08:53
Every time I start trying to compile a list, I immediately think 'oh no, that's not much good now' or 'hell, that's become a gastropub'. Or more likely nowadays 'wow, when did that close?'. As my ideal is probably something you could describe as an unspoilt, proper pub, I suppose the chances of it becoming 'spoilt' over time are pretty high!

I might try as a starting point producing a list of pubs that I would (still) make a point of visiting if in the vicinity and see where that goes.

Pubsignman
02-01-2019, 09:52
Great idea for a thread and nice to see quite a few pub nominated that I've never heard of - all now on the 'to do' list, of course!

I've only ever given three scores of 10, so picking the remaining seven from the many pubs I have scored a 9 was nigh-on impossible. Anyway, with apologies to a good 25 or so other pubs that just missed out, here's my effort...

1) The Fat Cat (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/28468/), Norwich
2) The Grove (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/40654/), Huddersfield
3) The Bridge End (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/61960/), Ruabon
4) Old Swan Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/53681/), Netherton
5) Black Horse Hotel (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/19630/), Preston
6) Halfway House (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/53015/), Brenchley
7) Wigan Central (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/82614/), Wigan
8) The Victoria (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/63823/), Great Harwood
9) Old Spot Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/12578/), Dursley
10) The Dun Cow (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/5821/), Sunderland

Spinko
02-01-2019, 17:37
Great idea for a thread and nice to see quite a few pub nominated that I've never heard of - all now on the 'to do' list, of course!

I've only ever given three scores of 10, so picking the remaining seven from the many pubs I have scored a 9 was nigh-on impossible. Anyway, with apologies to a good 25 or so other pubs that just missed out, here's my effort...

1) The Fat Cat (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/28468/), Norwich
2) The Grove (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/40654/), Huddersfield
3) The Bridge End (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/61960/), Ruabon
4) Old Swan Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/53681/), Netherton
5) Black Horse Hotel (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/19630/), Preston
6) Halfway House (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/53015/), Brenchley
7) Wigan Central (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/82614/), Wigan
8) The Victoria (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/63823/), Great Harwood
9) Old Spot Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/12578/), Dursley
10) The Dun Cow (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/5821/), Sunderland

When I lived in Preston I only visited the Black Horse about six or seven times in two years. But looking back its in my top three or four there, (it's one for a certain mood! ).

Tris39
02-01-2019, 19:12
London-centric yes, but I don't get out much:

The Charles Lamb (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/23654/) (N1).
The Chesham Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/25098/) (E9).
The Hand & Shears (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/23326/) (EC1).
Hemingford Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/23617/) (N1).
Old Fountain (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/23350/) (EC1).
The Seven Stars (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/22067/) (WC2).
Southampton Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/23788/) (NW5).
Tapping the Admiral (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/72375/) (NW1).
The Wenlock Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/23683/) (N1).
Wilton's (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/81632/) (E1).

Tris39
02-01-2019, 19:19
I agree with the above apart from the bit about not being derogatory about journalists! My list is fairly spontaneous and based on all sorts of factors and prejudices! I feel no need to change it although if I did it again in six months time there would probably be changes but I would recommend that Wittenden didn't make any changes. I think these lists are more useful than the ones produced by newspapers and websites as they highlight to a degree what people on this site are looking for in a pub.
Anyone up for a list of great pubs from the past that have closed or been ruined?

Yes.

Up for it.

NickDavies
02-01-2019, 20:17
Yes.

Up for it.

Trouble is "ruined" is too easy. Try every single Morland's pub, every single Brakspear's pub, every single Morrell's pub. You know why, and that's just Oxfordshire.

Aqualung
02-01-2019, 20:36
Trouble is "ruined" is too easy. Try every single Morland's pub, every single Brakspear's pub, every single Morrell's pub. You know why, and that's just Oxfordshire.

Maybe ruined is the wrong word, what I was getting at was ones which have become gastro pubs or restaurants, so arguably no longer pubs.

NickDavies
03-01-2019, 08:19
Maybe ruined is the wrong word, what I was getting at was ones which have become gastro pubs or restaurants, so arguably no longer pubs.

For gastrification, I suggest almost all of the Young's estate, willful destruction started almost the day John Young died. This one (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/22701/), a favourite work local in the 90s, deserves a special place in hell.

Aqualung
03-01-2019, 09:35
For gastrification, I suggest almost all of the Young's estate, willful destruction started almost the day John Young died. This one (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/22701/), a favourite work local in the 90s, deserves a special place in hell.

I went round the Young's estate back in the mid 1970s to become a member of the 135 association so know exactly what you're saying. For me the rot began when they got rid of the public bar at the Windmill on Clapham Common which I think happened in the 1980s. Even before that the original Founders Arms and Prince William Henry in SE1, both being archetypal back street boozers were replaced with the current versions. I won't go in a Young's pub now and stopped going to them before they abandoned the brewery.

Brainypool
03-01-2019, 10:42
1 Black Horse, Preston (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/19630/)
2 Roscoe Head, Liverpool (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/26837/)
3 The Masons Arms, Billinge (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/20238/)
4 The Talbot, St Helens (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/27197/)
5 The City Arms, Manchester (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/59965/)
6 Wigan Central, Wigan (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/82614/)
7 White Star, Liverpool (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/26942/)
8 The Herdwick, Lancaster (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/86334/)
9 Cross Keys, Chester (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/3327/)
10 Golden Lion, Lancaster (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/59268/)

From my three or four years spent pub ticking so not a huge amount to choose from. Of course I need to get around more!

sheffield hatter
03-01-2019, 11:02
1
8 [URL="https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/86334/"]The Herdwick, Lancaster (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/19630/)


Don't forget to take a photo!


1
10 [URL="https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/59268/"]Golden Lion, Lancaster (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/19630/)


Ah yes, The Whittle. I remember it well. When I lived in Lancaster it used to be owned by Matthew Brown of Blackburn (http://breweryhistory.com/wiki/index.php?title=Matthew_Brown_%26_Co._Ltd), now long since defunct. It was a good locals pub, just out of the city centre. Glad you like it.

Aqualung
03-01-2019, 11:11
We appear to now have a top pub list as by my reckoning there are at least 16 with two votes, 6 with three and just 1 with four. This is a manual count that requires confirmation and I will probably need assistance to confirm the two votes. I hope that anyone who hasn't posted a list will be able to do so which might just push it to a top 30.

Brainypool
03-01-2019, 12:01
Don't forget to take a photo!

I won't be back there for a while now and I'll be surprised if Peter Ashworth doesn't get there before me. I'm not sure why it never occurred to me to take a photo but it's not the most photogenic of buildings really!

Al Bundy
03-01-2019, 12:22
For what it's worth and in no particular order, a current top ten:
The Grapes (Roscoe St) - Liverpool.
The Brunswick - Derby.
The Sportsman - Huddersfield.
The New Oxford - Salford.
The Wellington - Birmingham.
The Angel - Manchester.
The Court House - Dudley.
The Seven Stars - Rugby.
The Crown - Stockport.
Malt n Hops - Chorley.
All probably subject to change.

sheffield hatter
03-01-2019, 14:01
We appear to now have a top pub list as by my reckoning there are at least 16 with two votes, 6 with three and just 1 with four. This is a manual count that requires confirmation and I will probably need assistance to confirm the two votes. I hope that anyone who hasn't posted a list will be able to do so which might just push it to a top 30.

Chapeau for counting them manually! #spreadsheetsgalore (Some pubs have been nominated under slightly different names: Old Swan/Ma Pardoes, Bull & Bladder/Vine Inn.)

I make it 21 with two votes, eight with three and the current leader with four votes is (drum roll) the Grove at Huddersfield (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/40654/). So that makes 30!

We've had 18 contributions so far, so I join Aqualung in hoping some more of you will join in.

Aqualung
03-01-2019, 18:44
I make it 21 with two votes, eight with three and the current leader with four votes is (drum roll) the Grove at Huddersfield (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/40654/). So that makes 30!


That saying about "Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics is clearly right as the Grove isn't even on the earlier top 100!
I ended up using a spreadsheet as the final two vote one was eluding me. My breakdown now agrees with yours.

sheffield hatter
03-01-2019, 22:46
That saying about "Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics is clearly right as the Grove isn't even on the earlier top 100!
I ended up using a spreadsheet as the final two vote one was eluding me. My breakdown now agrees with yours.

#spreadsheetsgalore!

Rex_Rattus
04-01-2019, 13:22
This exercise is much harder (for me anyway) than it first seemed. Anyway, below is my list.

Dacre Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/24091/), Lee
Hope (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/35464/), Carshalton
Ye Old Mitre (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/23381/), Holborn
Salisbury (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/25450/), Harringay
Harp (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/53779/), Charing Cross
Trafalgar (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/24699/), South Wimbledon
Orange Tree (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/66045/), Winchmore Hill
Square & Compass (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/56088/), Worth Matravers
Red Lion (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/59104/), Snargate
Star Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/3/), Bath

I may have missed pubs that should make my top 10 as I'm just going by my now somewhat erratic memory. But these are all good ones. My list is inevitably London-centric, but I have heard that there are several really good pubs outside London so I thought it fair to include a trio of ones that I have visited.

I would just like to pick up a point made earlier in this thread - in that I think it's perfectly reasonable to submit a review and rating after a single visit. Of course a single visit is just a snapshot, but if enough people post reviews following snapshot visits then anyone looking to visit the pub will have a very good idea what to expect. A case in point is the Red Lion at Snargate. I had no reason to visit Snargate other than to visit the Red Lion, have only paid a single visit to the pub and suspect that this is the case for the majority of us who have visited. But when anyone who hasn't visited looks at the reviews and ratings of so many "regulars' then they can be pretty sure that it's a damned good pub.

sheffield hatter
04-01-2019, 14:07
I would just like to pick up a point made earlier in this thread - in that I think it's perfectly reasonable to submit a review and rating after a single visit. Of course a single visit is just a snapshot, but if enough people post reviews following snapshot visits then anyone looking to visit the pub will have a very good idea what to expect. A case in point is the Red Lion at Snargate. I had no reason to visit Snargate other than to visit the Red Lion, have only paid a single visit to the pub and suspect that this is the case for the majority of us who have visited. But when anyone who hasn't visited looks at the reviews and ratings of so many "regulars' then they can be pretty sure that it's a damned good pub.

Good point!

Aqualung
04-01-2019, 15:48
This exercise is much harder (for me anyway) than it first seemed.

I think it has been for everyone. If you think about it too hard you'll never end up with a list!




I would just like to pick up a point made earlier in this thread - in that I think it's perfectly reasonable to submit a review and rating after a single visit. Of course a single visit is just a snapshot, but if enough people post reviews following snapshot visits then anyone looking to visit the pub will have a very good idea what to expect. A case in point is the Red Lion at Snargate. I had no reason to visit Snargate other than to visit the Red Lion, have only paid a single visit to the pub and suspect that this is the case for the majority of us who have visited. But when anyone who hasn't visited looks at the reviews and ratings of so many "regulars' then they can be pretty sure that it's a damned good pub.


Your vote has elevated it to the "Hall Of Fame" and given that it's one that I prevaricated over quite a lot then it probably belongs in the upper reaches of the two votes group. I've actually been there several times, the first time being the early 1980s before it became a GBG regular. We were on a tour of pubs in Oxney and Romney Marsh that sold Biddendon Cider. This was the final one and easily the best so we stayed until closing time. I've never been there without trying some cider and that's probably what swung it as to me it's as much a cider house selling beer as a pub selling cider if that makes any sense at all!

Mobyduck
04-01-2019, 18:28
This exercise is much harder (for me anyway) than it first seemed.
Not so much as to what to put in but what to leave out.

Tris39
04-01-2019, 19:32
This exercise is much harder (for me anyway) than it first seemed. Anyway, below is my list.

Dacre Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/24091/), Lee
Hope (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/35464/), Carshalton
Ye Old Mitre (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/23381/), Holborn
Salisbury (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/25450/), Harringay
Harp (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/53779/), Charing Cross
Trafalgar (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/24699/), South Wimbledon
Orange Tree (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/66045/), Winchmore Hill
Square & Compass (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/56088/), Worth Matravers
Red Lion (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/59104/), Snargate
Star Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/3/), Bath

I may have missed pubs that should make my top 10 as I'm just going by my now somewhat erratic memory. But these are all good ones. My list is inevitably London-centric, but I have heard that there are several really good pubs outside London so I thought it fair to include a trio of ones that I have visited.

I would just like to pick up a point made earlier in this thread - in that I think it's perfectly reasonable to submit a review and rating after a single visit. Of course a single visit is just a snapshot, but if enough people post reviews following snapshot visits then anyone looking to visit the pub will have a very good idea what to expect. A case in point is the Red Lion at Snargate. I had no reason to visit Snargate other than to visit the Red Lion, have only paid a single visit to the pub and suspect that this is the case for the majority of us who have visited. But when anyone who hasn't visited looks at the reviews and ratings of so many "regulars' then they can be pretty sure that it's a damned good pub.

The Red Lion sounds a bit like The Harrow Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/59771/) which has painfully few reviews considering it's such a nationally cherished pub.

Tris39
04-01-2019, 19:55
Maybe ruined is the wrong word, what I was getting at was ones which have become gastro pubs or restaurants, so arguably no longer pubs.

R.I.P the Warburton Arms: Martello Hall (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/25064/) Gaze upon its loveliness here: https://www.martellohall.com/#welcome

Aqualung
04-01-2019, 20:34
R.I.P the Warburton Arms: Martello Hall (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/25064/) Gaze upon its loveliness here: https://www.martellohall.com/#welcome
I lived in Hackney for many years up until 1988 so knew several pubs in the area but this one doesn't ring any bells. All I know about Hackney (and probably all of inner East London) today is that huge swathes of pubs closed, with some re-opened and gentrified. Some have been simply gentrified. The way I see it is that what were rubbish pubs have become rubbish in a different way.
I'll start a thread for it as you clearly have some ideas which are completely different to mine. My only thought for East London was the Young's Norfolk Arms in Dalston. It's still on the site as a closed pub and was a basic local boozer, although probably newer than the surrounding area.

trainman
06-01-2019, 14:17
In no specific order, and with deep regret for many who didn't make it, but who may well do on another day...
Crown (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/53526/), Stockport
Kelham Island Tavern (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/56068/), Sheffield
Victoria (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/58181/), Beeston
Crown (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/62675/), Beeston
Brunswick (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/7022/), Derby
Fat Cat and Canary (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/28578/), Norwich
Fat Cat (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/28468/), Norwich
Seven Stars (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/37232/), Rugby
Dove Street Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/35079/), Ipswich
Blythe Hill Tavern (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/65860/), Catford-ish

Aqualung
06-01-2019, 16:16
In no specific order, and with deep regret for many who didn't make it, but who may well do on another day...


Since I posted my top 10 I keep thinking of ones I should have considered but overlooked!
By my reckoning (which is probably wrong) we now have a top 39 from 200 nominations with 3 on four votes, 10 on three votes and 26 on two.

sheffield hatter
06-01-2019, 20:57
By my reckoning (which is probably wrong) we now have a top 39 from 200 nominations with 3 on four votes, 10 on three votes and 26 on two.

I've got slightly different figures: 149 pubs have been nominated by 20 people (10 each on average, with Richard's nine balancing my greedy 11). I make it two pubs with four nominations each, nine with three and 27 with 2, the remaining 111 having one each.

I've visited 30 of the top 38, but only 51 of the remaining 111 (or 42 out of 102 if excluding my own nominations).

Aqualung - perhaps you've counted pubs with the same name as duplicates when in fact they are different pubs. For my part, I hadn't realised, until rechecking, that BF's Cask and John's Cask & Kitchen were the same pub in Pimlico (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/22988/) that had its name simplified last year. Perhaps you've made the opposite error with some of the Halfway Houses, Fat Cats, Angels and Crowns?

london calling
06-01-2019, 21:47
Tandlemans blog in his latest post suggests
Don't be too quick to judge a pub on first visit or impressions.We must be getting it wrong on PuG.

Aqualung
06-01-2019, 21:56
I've got slightly different figures: 149 pubs have been nominated by 20 people (10 each on average, with Richard's nine balancing my greedy 11). I make it two pubs with four nominations each, nine with three and 27 with 2, the remaining 111 having one each.

I've visited 30 of the top 38, but only 51 of the remaining 111 (or 42 out of 102 if excluding my own nominations).

Aqualung - perhaps you've counted pubs with the same name as duplicates when in fact they are different pubs. For my part, I hadn't realised, until rechecking, that BF's Cask and John's Cask & Kitchen were the same pub in Pimlico (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/22988/) that had its name simplified last year. Perhaps you've made the opposite error with some of the Halfway Houses, Fat Cats, Angels and Crowns?

I've put an edited list into the spreadsheet with consistent names and places so I have 200 entries with an extra one for the title.I don't like using spreadsheets and had to swot up on how to import one from a text file. Nevertheless you're right there were errors but I now have 2 with four, 9 with three and 27 with two, same as you.

Gann
07-01-2019, 09:47
Thanks for this Aqualung, what a headache that was...

Sorry for being late to the party but like everyone else my list is more pertinent for the ones I had to put a line through to get down to a top 10 and for me these included..
The Grove (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/40654/), Whitelocks First City Luncheon Bar (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/54017/), Bricklayers Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/61697/), Seven Stars (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/635/), The Cornubia (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/308/), Cask (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/22988/), The Bow Bar (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/48908/), The Wellington (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/37946/), Southampton Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/23788/), The Chesham Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/25098/) and The Pride of Spitalfields (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/25345/) to name a few.. and that took some time...

And it may shock some to think that I had to disregard some of these to include a Sam's Smith's pub...:eek:
The ones that made it were:


1. The Grove Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/42740/) in Leeds
2. Peveril of the Peak (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/54094/) Manchester
3. The Royal Oak (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/24284/) London SE1
4. Live & Let Live (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/2647/) in Cambridge
5. Princess Louise (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/22020/) in London WC1
6. Roscoe Head (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/26837/) in Liverpool
7. Royal Standard (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/2312/) in the Bucks countryside

and then my personal local ones

8. Ye Olde Mitre Inne (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/14399/) in Barnet
9. The Wenlock Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/23683/) because you can't spend your life in North London and not have this one
10. The Orange Tree (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/66045/) in London N21 because its my local and I'm very lucky it is..

ROBCamra
07-01-2019, 13:41
Tandlemans blog in his latest post suggests
Don't be too quick to judge a pub on first visit or impressions.We must be getting it wrong on PuG.

As the pub he is talking about is his local I wouldn't take that much store by what he says.

Especially as he regularly disses places in London that he's only visited once as well. :cheers:

Aqualung
07-01-2019, 14:52
As the pub he is talking about is his local I wouldn't take that much store by what he says.

Especially as he regularly disses places in London that he's only visited once as well. :cheers:


The only blog I look at when I remember is Boak and Bailey. The rest seem to be wannabe journalists so best avoided.

Thuck Phat
08-01-2019, 11:30
Great thread:

In no particular order:

Drayman's Son (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/81021/), ELY
House of Trembling Madness (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/72245/), YORK
Harry's Bar (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/60167/), WAKEFIELD
Organ Grinder (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/20818/), LOUGHBOROUGH
Marble Arch (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/26061/), MANCHESTER
White Horse (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/29953/), WELTON
Royal Exchange (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/34611/), STONE
Boltmaker's Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/40834/), KEIGHLEY
Grove (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/40654/), HUDDERSFIELD
Plasterers Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/28599/), NORWICH

As so many have said, tough choice and some top places left out but then it's all subjective.

Aqualung
08-01-2019, 18:36
By my probably inaccurate reckoning we now have one front runner with 5 votes, two with 4 votes, thirteen with 3 votes and 25 with 2 votes.

Completely unrelated to this, I got an email from CAMRA earlier saying that the tenants of the Royal Oak in SE1 (it's in our hall of fame!) are leaving next week and that there's a party for them on Friday evening. I expect it will be rammed and I'm away so won't be there. I've only visited it the once so am hardly a regular!

sheffield hatter
08-01-2019, 21:38
By my probably inaccurate reckoning we now have one front runner with 5 votes, two with 4 votes, thirteen with 3 votes and 25 with 2 votes.

My spreadsheet agrees with your spreadsheet, so we must be doing something right.

Unless we're both making the same elementary errors....

sheffield hatter
08-01-2019, 21:41
According to the Forum statistics, there are 43 members classed as "active" - not sure if that's an appropriate description for people who spend a lot of time typing on their computers, laptops and mobile devices - and we've now had top 10s from more than half.

Aqualung
08-01-2019, 22:07
My spreadsheet agrees with your spreadsheet, so we must be doing something right.

Unless we're both making the same elementary errors....

Blimey! That's a first and given my Luddite techniques I think that is unlikely. I can think of at least 4 forum contributors that haven't yet posted and I would be delighted if they did. Unlike many other lists this one has actually become a very useful one. When I suggested the idea I didn't really think that it would.

Pangolin
08-01-2019, 23:49
Oh all right then, here is a list. I have undoubtedly left some off that ought to be there and leave no apologies for any controversial entries, or for being boring and choosing the obvious! I do however apologise in advance for the lack of reviews for some - probably too pissed to write anything down. I suppose I shall just have to endure the hardship of revisiting...

Black Lion, Consall Forge (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/32303/)
Blue Anchor, Helston (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/4564/)
Bridge, Topsham (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/7875/)
Brunswick, Derby (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/7022/)
Hope, Carshalton (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/35464/)
Nags Head, Reading (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/1691/)
Post Office Vaults, Birmingham (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/56393/)
Surrey Oaks, Parkgate (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/35618/)
Vine/B&B, Brierley Hill (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/38031/)
Wenlock Arms, London (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/23683/)

Wittenden
09-01-2019, 08:15
[QUOTE=Pangolin;97902]
Surrey Oaks, Parkgate (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/35618/)
Vine/B&B, Brierley Hill (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/38031/)

Damn memory failure!

hondo
09-01-2019, 09:47
The Guildford Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/48954/)
The Abbotsford (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/55815/)
Kays Bar (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/48988/)
Leslies Bar (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/64708/)
Bridge Hotel (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/65551/)
The Slip Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/58608/)
The Hand & Shears (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/23326/)
The Victoria (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/22408/)
Ye Olde Cheshire Cheese (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/56162/)
The Wellington (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/37946/)

Wittenden
09-01-2019, 16:49
Ye Olde Cheshire Cheese (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/56162/)


And another one!

trainman
09-01-2019, 17:10
It seems like we all need a 'ones that would have made top10 on another day' thread, top25, where would it end?
We can be sure there are some stellar pubs being mentioned here, individually, and collectively.

sheffield hatter
09-01-2019, 17:39
The Abbotsford (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/55815/)

Aaaargh! I gave this a 9 in my review but it was somehow missing from my database! Curses!!!!

NickDavies
09-01-2019, 19:12
It seems like we all need a 'ones that would have made top10 on another day' thread, top25, where would it end?
We can be sure there are some stellar pubs being mentioned here, individually, and collectively.

Well quite. Prompted by the lists above I contrived an excuse for an inaugural visit to the Bull and Bladder the other day ... the presence of a retail mecca nearby helps...

But what to leave out from my original ten?

sheffield hatter
09-01-2019, 19:23
Well quite. Prompted by the lists above I contrived an excuse for an inaugural visit to the Bull and Bladder the other day ... but what to leave out from my original ten...

Yes indeed. Though I have more likelihood of reaching the Organ Grinder in Loughborough than the Square & Compass in Worth Matravers, to name just two that have so far eluded me in the top-how-ever-many. But I tend to think that, like my favourite 1970s bands or albums, the pubs I like best are the ones I "discovered" for myself.

Komakino
10-01-2019, 17:23
I'd better throw my hat in the ring then. A (mainly) local-flavoured assortment from me:

Bell (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/61608/), Aldworth
Globe (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/1127/), Dunstable
White Horse (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/1884/), Hedgerley
Land of Liberty, Peace & Plenty (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/14734/), Heronsgate
Kings Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/31650/), Kidlington
Gardeners Arms (Jericho) (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/31724/), Oxford
Masons Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/31758/), Oxford
Harrow Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/59771/), Steep
Cross Keys (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/31837/), Thame
Alfred (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/35750/), Upper Hale

Mobyduck
10-01-2019, 18:06
I'd better throw my hat in the ring then. A local-flavoured assortment from me:

Bell (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/61608/), Aldworth
Globe (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/1127/), Dunstable
White Horse (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/1884/), Hedgerley
Land of Liberty, Peace & Plenty (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/14734/), Heronsgate
Kings Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/31650/), Kidlington
Gardeners Arms (Jericho) (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/31724/), Oxford
Masons Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/31758/), Oxford
Harrow Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/59771/), Steep
Cross Keys (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/31837/), Thame

The Bell , Aldworth is definitely on my to do list sometime this year, Quinno was full of praise for it when I met him in The Nags Head recently.

Tris39
10-01-2019, 18:59
I'd better throw my hat in the ring then. A local-flavoured assortment from me:

Bell (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/61608/), Aldworth
Globe (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/1127/), Dunstable
White Horse (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/1884/), Hedgerley
Land of Liberty, Peace & Plenty (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/14734/), Heronsgate
Kings Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/31650/), Kidlington
Gardeners Arms (Jericho) (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/31724/), Oxford
Masons Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/31758/), Oxford
Harrow Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/59771/), Steep
Cross Keys (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/31837/), Thame

Forgot about the Gardeners. Good to see some more support for the Harrow!

Komakino
10-01-2019, 19:21
Forgot about the Gardeners. Good to see some more support for the Harrow!

Cheers Tris. I visited The Harrow just before Christmas (it had been on the hitlist for a while) - reminds me a litle of The Bell at Aldworth; especially with semi-al fresco Gents. Also managed to see the noted Davy Goodchild during my visit.

The Gardeners is always (to me) the highlight of any trip to Jericho.

sheffield hatter
10-01-2019, 22:06
I'd better throw my hat in the ring then. A local-flavoured assortment from me:

Bell (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/61608/), Aldworth
Globe (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/1127/), Dunstable
White Horse (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/1884/), Hedgerley
Land of Liberty, Peace & Plenty (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/14734/), Heronsgate
Kings Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/31650/), Kidlington
Gardeners Arms (Jericho) (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/31724/), Oxford
Masons Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/31758/), Oxford
Harrow Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/59771/), Steep
Cross Keys (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/31837/), Thame

Have you deliberately picked only nine, or have you, like me [:whistle:], simply miscounted?

sheffield hatter
10-01-2019, 22:14
Since I posted my top 10 I keep thinking of ones I should have considered but overlooked!

You could always open a new account on Pubs Galore Forums, calling yourself, oh I don't know, Thick As A Brick and add your next 10 favourites.


By my reckoning (which is probably wrong) we now have a top 39 from 200 nominations with 3 on four votes, 10 on three votes and 26 on two.

I'm afraid you're a little behind the times there. I now have a Top 44 from 250, with 25 having two supporters, 14 with three, two on four and three joint leaders on five. A total of 179 pubs have been suggested, with so far only one closed pub having been nominated (as far as I know).

Komakino
10-01-2019, 22:31
Have you deliberately picked only nine, or have you, like me [:whistle:], simply miscounted?

Oops! You are correct. I'll update tomorrow and PM you when done in case you need to rerun the stats.

Aqualung
12-01-2019, 19:43
You could always open a new account on Pubs Galore Forums, calling yourself, oh I don't know, Thick As A Brick and add your next 10 favourites.



I'm afraid you're a little behind the times there. I now have a Top 44 from 250, with 25 having two supporters, 14 with three, two on four and three joint leaders on five. A total of 179 pubs have been suggested, with so far only one closed pub having been nominated (as far as I know).


I've been away where I bumped into Cross Eyed Mary. It;s good that we're seeing the Benefit of so many willing to Stand Up and be counted.
I'll add the new ones in the next day or two!

Aqualung
13-01-2019, 06:40
I'm afraid you're a little behind the times there. I now have a Top 44 from 250, with 25 having two supporters, 14 with three, two on four and three joint leaders on five. A total of 179 pubs have been suggested, with so far only one closed pub having been nominated (as far as I know).

I too have a top 44 but with two on 5 votes, four on 4 votes, thirteen on 3 votes and 25 on two votes. that makes 179 pubs from 250 votes with their being 71 duplicates. I've only noticed the one that is closed.

sheffield hatter
13-01-2019, 10:30
two on 5 votes, four on 4 votes, thirteen on 3 votes and 25 on two votes

Quite right. I've found an error on my spreadsheet and now agree with your numbers.

rpadam
13-01-2019, 10:35
Quite right. I've found an error on my spreadsheet and now agree with your numbers.
Is the #spreadsheetsgalore team going to provide an interim update listing the top 44?

Aqualung
13-01-2019, 10:41
Quite right. I've found an error on my spreadsheet and now agree with your numbers.

I thought I had it right this time as I crated a Sortkey list with just the pub name and place. I bunged that into the Spreadsheet, sorted it and then did a subtotal count. I had to remove a few trailing spaces. I'm sure there's a better way but I don't like Spreadsheets!
We are still missing some contributors.

Aqualung
13-01-2019, 10:48
Is the #spreadsheetsgalore team going to provide an interim update listing the top 44?

I've got a text file made up with the 44 pubs. It's down to whether publication may sway decisions of those who have not yet voted. Personally I don't think that's likely as it's difficult enough as it is!

NickDavies
13-01-2019, 11:18
I've got a text file made up with the 44 pubs. It's down to whether publication may sway decisions of those who have not yet voted. Personally I don't think that's likely as it's difficult enough as it is!

The place to post it is, of course, Yet Another List. Then we can see if anyone's been in all 44.

sheffield hatter
13-01-2019, 19:53
It's down to whether publication may sway decisions of those who have not yet voted. Personally I don't think that's likely as it's difficult enough as it is!

But just to be on the safe side, what about leaving it unpublished until, say, the end of January. (Describing this as a "vote" and then publishing a list of 44 front runners is more likely than not to sway some opinions, IMHO.)

Aqualung
13-01-2019, 20:11
But just to be on the safe side, what about leaving it unpublished until, say, the end of January. (Describing this as a "vote" and then publishing a list of 44 front runners is more likely than not to sway some opinions, IMHO.)

OK.

sheffield hatter
13-01-2019, 21:05
Good to see some more support for the Harrow!


I visited The Harrow just before Christmas (it had been on the hitlist for a while) - reminds me a litle of The Bell at Aldworth; especially with semi-al fresco Gents.

I was intrigued by this off-the-cuff exchange. I note that the Harrow at Steep (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/59771/) has not been reviewed since 2013 when Tris39 "felt more like an inconvenience rather than a valued customer" when he bought a round :eek: and found the landlady "standoffish"; and Quinno's review, copied from the dark side, I believe, and with a score of 3 (but dating from 2007, when he was nobbut a callow youth, I estimate :p) is responsible for dragging this pub's average rating down to 5.5, the lowest of the 179 different pubs suggested by the 25 contributors so far. (The average rating for the 176 pubs on the list that have been given a score is 8.5. Thanks for asking.)

I hope Komakino's review of his pre-Christmas visit will be more encouraging. Perhaps the landlady has recently retired, which would certainly seem likely to have given the pub a boost! ;)

Real Ale Ray
15-01-2019, 18:20
The Fleece Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/42105/)
The Kings Head (The Low House) (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/35375/)
The Royal Standard of England (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/2127/)
Bridge Hotel (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/65551/)
The Swan with Two Necks (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/59260/)
The New Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/19065/)
Lion Tavern (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/26715/)
The Burnt Pig (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/83040/)
The Cock Tavern (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/25052/)
Holly Bush Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/6703/)
The Bhurtpore Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/61339/)

11 I know, but I couldn't leave the last one out either

Mobyduck
15-01-2019, 18:25
The Fleece Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/42105/)
The Kings Head (The Low House) (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/35375/)
The Royal Standard of England (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/2127/)
Bridge Hotel (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/65551/)
The Swan with Two Necks (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/59260/)
The New Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/19065/)
Lion Tavern (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/26715/)
The Burnt Pig (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/83040/)

Need another two Ray.:)

Tris39
15-01-2019, 19:08
I was intrigued by this off-the-cuff exchange. I note that the Harrow at Steep (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/59771/) has not been reviewed since 2013 when Tris39 "felt more like an inconvenience rather than a valued customer" when he bought a round :eek: and found the landlady "standoffish"; and Quinno's review, copied from the dark side, I believe, and with a score of 3 (but dating from 2007, when he was nobbut a callow youth, I estimate :p) is responsible for dragging this pub's average rating down to 5.5, the lowest of the 179 different pubs suggested by the 25 contributors so far. (The average rating for the 176 pubs on the list that have been given a score is 8.5. Thanks for asking.)

I hope Komakino's review of his pre-Christmas visit will be more encouraging. Perhaps the landlady has recently retired, which would certainly seem likely to have given the pub a boost! ;)

The other two reviewers seemed unfazed so perhaps both me and Quinno were unlucky. She's not exactly rude as such, rather a bit "Oh alright then [huff/puff]". In London, this would probably go unnoticed, but when you are in what vies as one of the most idyllic pubs ever (never out of the Good Pub Guide) with a plate of the best and most beautifully prepared pub grub I've ever had, it does grate a bit, especially when there were only about two other customers in on our early afternoon visit. I doubt she has retired as she can't be much older than me; if necessary, best to just let her wash over you and bask in the experience. Otherwise, 9.5/10.

Aqualung
16-01-2019, 19:47
With Ray's Drunken Baker's Dozen I reckon we now have an extra 3 on two votes. The breakdown now is two on five votes, four on 4 votes, thirteen on 3 votes and twenty eight on two votes, One more list of (preferably) ten may just get us to a top 50.

NickDavies
16-01-2019, 20:32
One more list of (preferably) ten may just get us to a top 50.

I think we're still waiting for Custodian to chime up with his favoured pubs selling >4.5% beer.

rpadam
16-01-2019, 21:14
Bartons Arms, Aston (B6) (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/53682/)
Bhurtpore, Aston (CW5) (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/61339/)
Bridge, Topsham (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/7875/)
Falkland Arms, Great Tew (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/57996/)
Halfway House, Brenchley (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/53015/)
Halfway House, Edinburgh (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/48958/)
Royal Oak, Borough (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/24284/)
Square & Compass, Worth Matravers (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/56088/)
Vine (Bull & Bladder), Brierley Hill (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/38031/)
and, in joint 10th place, almost any of the micropubs in Kent.
As my tenth vote couldn't really count in a useful way, I'll replace it with the Black Horse, Preston (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/19630/)

Aqualung
16-01-2019, 21:41
As my tenth vote couldn't really count in a useful way, I'll replace it with the Black Horse, Preston (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/19630/)

Would you mind amending your original post to reflect this in case anyone attempts to build their own count? That makes 262 nominations and does change the Hall of Fame slightly. I've been looking through the Hall Of Fame tonight and it's a really interesting mix.

rpadam
16-01-2019, 22:28
Would you mind amending your original post to reflect this in case anyone attempts to build their own count? That makes 262 nominations and does change the Hall of Fame slightly. I've been looking through the Hall Of Fame tonight and it's a really interesting mix.
See #post97678 (http://forums.pubsgalore.co.uk/showthread.php?28917-Your-top-10-pubs&p=97678&viewfull=1#post97678)

sheffield hatter
16-01-2019, 23:14
I think we're still waiting for Custodian to chime up with his favoured pubs selling >4.5% beer.

:D

Aqualung
17-01-2019, 09:47
I think we're still waiting for Custodian to chime up with his favoured pubs selling >4.5% beer.

He does have a point I think. One thing that really annoys me is going to a pub doing say 5 or 6 beers and they are all around the 4.0% mark and all standard bitters. If there's only a couple of beers then I more or less expect it. What's the point of doing half a dozen beers if they are all similar? I think I've mentioned before that when confronted with a wide largely unrecognised choice and I know I'm only having one then the adage "When in doubt go for the strongest" comes in handy.
It must also be annoying for the many members of the low abv brigade to find they are paying the same or only pennies less for their 3.8% beer as someone on a 5.5% offering. Weaker standard beer should be cheaper.

Aqualung
17-01-2019, 09:53
As my tenth vote couldn't really count in a useful way, I'll replace it with the Black Horse, Preston (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/19630/)


Thanks for that. The three vote band now numbers 14 and the two votes go down to 27.

NickDavies
17-01-2019, 11:04
He does have a point I think. One thing that really annoys me is going to a pub doing say 5 or 6 beers and they are all around the 4.0% mark and all standard bitters. If there's only a couple of beers then I more or less expect it. What's the point of doing half a dozen beers if they are all similar?


When we lived in Sarf London our local pub was a Stonegate JDW clone boasting no less than nine handpumps, which was about five too many given the throughput. Most of the time the whole lot were dispensing Doombar, Pride, Young's Ord, Bombardier, GKIPA, Abbot, Morland's Original, Courage Best, you get the idea. If they were feeling adventurous there might be Hobgoblin. I often resorted to Wifebeater knowing that finding anything in reasonable condition was a lottery.

One time I did moan to Stonegate, and was told "As it stands, we have a regular selection of around 15 ales which we are always changing, but we must still provide what our local customers demand, which as you pointed out is the standard ales such as London Pride, GK IPA and Bombadier. We feel we would be doing our regular customers a disservice if we remove these ales in place of something seasonal or new that they may not like. Our aim is to keep some of our regular ales and alternate our new seasonal ones throughout the summer. At the moment we have Jennings Cumberland, Youngs Burning Gold and Hobgoblin all ready to go on."

I continued to be unimpressed.

arthurchappell
17-01-2019, 13:23
My Favourite Ten Pubs
10/. Bar Fringe - Manchester
9/. Ma Egerton’s - Liverpool
8/. The Black Horse – Preston
7/. The Oddfellow’s Arms – Nantwich
6/. Ye Old Boot In – Chester
5/. Major Tom’s - Harrogate
4/. Lady Luck – Canterbury
3/. The Philharmonic Dining Rooms - Liverpool
2/. Hogarths - Preston
1/. FAB Café - Manchester

sheffield hatter
17-01-2019, 14:14
We now have a top 20 of pubs with three or more supporters.

Blackthorn
17-01-2019, 21:25
We are still missing some contributors.

I haven’t been ignoring this thread, I’ve been following it with interest and would like to contribute. I just have no idea what my top ten are! I don’t keep my own record on a spreadsheet like some people and have only managed to come up with about half a dozen that I think might be in my top ten. And some of them were prompted by other people’s choices, so may only be there because of that.

I really need to review all my 9’s and 10’s and go from there. I’ve asked Dave for an extract like he did for Quinno, so will hopefully have something soon.

Aqualung
17-01-2019, 22:41
I haven’t been ignoring this thread, I’ve been following it with interest and would like to contribute. I just have no idea what my top ten are! I don’t keep my own record on a spreadsheet like some people and have only managed to come up with about half a dozen that I think might be in my top ten. And some of them were prompted by other people’s choices, so may only be there because of that.

I really need to review all my 9’s and 10’s and go from there. I’ve asked Dave for an extract like he did for Quinno, so will hopefully have something soon.


I think we all feel your pain! What I and I suspect several others did was to come up with a top 10 in a single moment. If I had access to all my scores then I'm sure that my list would be vastly different. All lists are largely a bit of fun and this is no exception. I would recommend you just go with your instincts! There's not going to be a jury on your decision but I'm sure that there will be discussion on the final results but none of this is really relevant. Some people prefer some pubs over others. It's not really a big deal!

Farway
18-01-2019, 12:17
I haven’t been ignoring this thread, I’ve been following it with interest and would like to contribute. I just have no idea what my top ten are! I don’t keep my own record on a spreadsheet like some people and have only managed to come up with about half a dozen that I think might be in my top ten. And some of them were prompted by other people’s choices, so may only be there because of that.


I'm in similar position of following but not contributing because now I'm medically TT any views I had are out of date by at least 3 years

Blackthorn
18-01-2019, 14:28
Right, Dave has kindly provided me a list of all pubs that I have scored 9 or 10. That totalled 26, which I soon narrowed down to 19 for one reason or another. Of those, 7 were obvious candidates, but I really struggled to pick 3 from the remaining 12. So, I'm not sure it is really my top 10, on another day it may well be slightly different, but would be at least 70% the same!

The Fleece Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/42105/) - Bretforton, near Evesham
Thatchers Arms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/84856/) - near Bridgwater
The Star Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/3/) - Bath
The Mayflower (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/23874/) - Rotherhithe
Ye Olde Mitre (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/23381/) - EC1
The Bell Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/34951/) - Kersey, Suffolk
The Black Friar (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/23505/) - EC4
The Trotter Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/57847/) - near Wedmore, Somerset
Black Horse (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/257/) - Clapton in Gordano, near Bristol
The Crown Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/54737/) - Churchill, near Bristol

Tris39
20-01-2019, 19:23
When we lived in Sarf London our local pub was a Stonegate JDW clone boasting no less than nine handpumps, which was about five too many given the throughput. Most of the time the whole lot were dispensing Doombar, Pride, Young's Ord, Bombardier, GKIPA, Abbot, Morland's Original, Courage Best, you get the idea. If they were feeling adventurous there might be Hobgoblin. I often resorted to Wifebeater knowing that finding anything in reasonable condition was a lottery.

One time I did moan to Stonegate, and was told "As it stands, we have a regular selection of around 15 ales which we are always changing, but we must still provide what our local customers demand, which as you pointed out is the standard ales such as London Pride, GK IPA and Bombadier. We feel we would be doing our regular customers a disservice if we remove these ales in place of something seasonal or new that they may not like. Our aim is to keep some of our regular ales and alternate our new seasonal ones throughout the summer. At the moment we have Jennings Cumberland, Youngs Burning Gold and Hobgoblin all ready to go on."

I continued to be unimpressed.

This pub's selection pretty much perfectly mirrors my least favourite beers and things must be bad when Hobgoblin is considered 'adventurous'. All that's missing is that satanic Thornbridge cucumber brew.:eek:

Aqualung
20-01-2019, 19:53
When we lived in Sarf London our local pub was a Stonegate JDW clone boasting no less than nine handpumps, which was about five too many given the throughput. Most of the time the whole lot were dispensing Doombar, Pride, Young's Ord, Bombardier, GKIPA, Abbot, Morland's Original, Courage Best, you get the idea. If they were feeling adventurous there might be Hobgoblin. I often resorted to Wifebeater knowing that finding anything in reasonable condition was a lottery.

One time I did moan to Stonegate, and was told "As it stands, we have a regular selection of around 15 ales which we are always changing, but we must still provide what our local customers demand, which as you pointed out is the standard ales such as London Pride, GK IPA and Bombadier. We feel we would be doing our regular customers a disservice if we remove these ales in place of something seasonal or new that they may not like. Our aim is to keep some of our regular ales and alternate our new seasonal ones throughout the summer. At the moment we have Jennings Cumberland, Youngs Burning Gold and Hobgoblin all ready to go on."

I continued to be unimpressed.


There are some Wetherspoon outlets that aren't much better but usually on a bad day. I think Stonegate must have an agreement with Marstons as they all seem to stock their beers.

Mobyduck
21-01-2019, 07:45
All that's missing is that satanic Thornbridge cucumber brew.:eek:

I quite like that beer, weird or what. :rolleyes:

Tris39
25-01-2019, 19:23
I quite like that beer, weird or what. :rolleyes:

I'm biased as I can't abide cucumbers but I love pickled gherkins. Weird or what?:o

Aqualung
25-01-2019, 19:40
I'm biased as I can't abide cucumbers but I love pickled gherkins. Weird or what?:o

Weird!!!

sheffield hatter
25-01-2019, 19:48
I quite like that beer, weird or what. :rolleyes:


I'm biased as I can't abide cucumbers but I love pickled gherkins. Weird or what?:o

Whatever. Has this got anything to do with beer? Or pubs?

OK, FWIW: I like cornichons but if I buy a cucumber it stays in my fridge until it's pretty much rotten. Is that when I'm supposed to make beer with it?

Mobyduck
25-01-2019, 19:48
I'm biased as I can't abide cucumbers but I love pickled gherkins. Weird or what?:o


Weird!!!

Yep.

london calling
25-01-2019, 19:49
I quite like that beer, weird or what. :rolleyes:
Bought a bottle of that beer on my birthday as I like it as well.

Quinno
27-01-2019, 21:34
So - is there a list of pubs from all the Top 10's which we can all see? I can't be arsed to tot them all up if two others already have!

sheffield hatter
28-01-2019, 09:13
So - is there a list of pubs from all the Top 10's which we can all see? I can't be arsed to tot them all up if two others already have!

Aqualung and I agreed (see posts #84 & #85 (http://forums.pubsgalore.co.uk/showthread.php?28917-Your-top-10-pubs/page9)) to leave it until the end of January to reveal the top nominated pubs.

Aqualung
28-01-2019, 10:31
Aqualung and I agreed (see posts #84 & #85 (http://forums.pubsgalore.co.uk/showthread.php?28917-Your-top-10-pubs/page9)) to leave it until the end of January to reveal the top nominated pubs.

Ahead of that, I've got two on 5 votes, five on 4 votes, fifteen on 3 votes and twenty five on 2 votes. there are 282 votes.

NickDavies
28-01-2019, 12:46
Ahead of that, I've got two on 5 votes, five on 4 votes, fifteen on 3 votes and twenty five on 2 votes. there are 282 votes.

How will you achieve a rank order within each group? Average point score?

Aqualung
28-01-2019, 14:24
How will you achieve a rank order within each group? Average point score?
I don't envisage any ranking my list is in alphabetical order. The problem with using ranking is how far do go back. A re-incarnated pub may have poor scores from the previous incarnation. I've already been to two places this year that I would have had to at least consider! I can't make up my mind which should be POTM for January.

sheffield hatter
28-01-2019, 17:19
Ahead of that, I've got two on 5 votes, five on 4 votes, fifteen on 3 votes and twenty five on 2 votes. there are 282 votes.

I've got 48 on two or more, with the number of twos 26 rather than your 25. Have you missed Ye Olde Mitre (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/23381/) from Blackthorn's list that was also nominated previously by Rex Rattus?

sheffield hatter
28-01-2019, 17:21
How will you achieve a rank order within each group? Average point score?

I've used average points scores, though obviously they're not meant to be taken too seriously. I've used the average at the time the pub was nominated and I'm not going through 203 pubs again to make sure they haven't changed since...

Aqualung
28-01-2019, 18:54
I've got 48 on two or more, with the number of twos 26 rather than your 25. Have you missed Ye Olde Mitre (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/23381/) from Blackthorn's list that was also nominated previously by Rex Rattus?

My list of pubs which I had updated manually was correct apart from miscounting the number with 2 votes. I had errors in my spreadsheet due to two "e"s in Bretforton and a missing "e" in Ye Olde Mitre. It all now tallies and I agree with your totals.

sheffield hatter
31-01-2019, 20:01
I've created a new post on the Not Another List, sorry that should be Yet Another List (http://forums.pubsgalore.co.uk/showthread.php?17609-Yet-another-list&p=98441#post98441) thread, with a pdf file of my spreadsheet as an attachment. I can't attach the original spreadsheet as the file type is not recognised.

Aqualung
31-01-2019, 20:44
This is the 48 pubs in alphabet order that achieved more than one vote :-

5 Votes (2)
Brunswick, Derby
Grove, Huddersfield

4 Votes (5)
Black Horse, Preston
Marble Arch, Manchester
Nags Head, Reading
Vine, Brierley Hill
Wenlock Arms, N1


3 Votes (15)
Beacon Hotel, Sedgley
Bell Inn, Aldworth
Crown, Stockport
Fleece, Bretforton
Great Western, Wolverhampton
Guide Dog, Southampton
Harry's Bar, Wakefield
Hope, Carshalton
Old Swan, Netherton
Organ Grinder, Loughborough
Roscoe Head, Liverpool
Royal Oak, SE1
Square & Compass, Worth Matravers
Star Inn, Bath
Wellington, Birmingham





2 Votes (26)
Antelope, Surbiton
Barton Arms, Aston
Bhurtpore, Aston
Blue Bell, York
Bridge Hotel, Newcastle
Bridge, Topsham
Cask, SW1
Chesham Arms, E9
City Arms, Manchester
Cover Bridge, East Witton
Fat Cat, Norwich
Globe, Dunstable
Grove, Leeds
Halfway House, Brenchley
Hand & Shears, EC1
Harp, WC2
Kelham Island Tavern, Sheffield
Orange Tree, N21
Red Lion, Snargate
Royal Exchange, Stone
Seven Stars, Rugby
Southampton Arms, NW5
Victoria, Great Harwood
Whalebone, Hull
Wigan Central, Wigan
Ye Olde Mitre, EC1

sheffield hatter
31-01-2019, 21:37
This is the 48 pubs in alphabet order that achieved more than one vote :-

Thanks for that, a more user friendly list than my spreadsheet-pdf. Though I take issue, not for the first time, with the use of the word "vote", which implies a preconceived list that people could support or not. These lists were, instead, the result of collating the independent "Top Tens" of 28 disparate (almost typed dissolute by mistake) Pubs Galore regulars and determining which pubs were, coincidentally, those which had been picked most often. A subtle distinction maybe, but I still think a valid one.

Mobyduck
01-02-2019, 06:38
This is the 48 pubs in alphabet order that achieved more than one vote :-

5 Votes (2)
Brunswick, Derby
Grove, Huddersfield

4 Votes (5)
Black Horse, Preston
Marble Arch, Manchester
Nags Head, Reading
Vine, Brierley Hill
Wenlock Arms, N1


3 Votes (15)
Beacon Hotel, Sedgley
Bell Inn, Aldworth
Crown, Stockport
Fleece, Bretforton
Great Western, Wolverhampton
Guide Dog, Southampton
Harry's Bar, Wakefield
Hope, Carshalton
Old Swan, Netherton
Organ Grinder, Loughborough
Roscoe Head, Liverpool
Royal Oak, SE1
Square & Compass, Worth Matravers
Star Inn, Bath
Wellington, Birmingham





2 Votes (26)
Antelope, Surbiton
Barton Arms, Aston
Bhurtpore, Aston
Blue Bell, York
Bridge Hotel, Newcastle
Bridge, Topsham
Cask, SW1
Chesham Arms, E9
City Arms, Manchester
Cover Bridge, East Witton
Fat Cat, Norwich
Globe, Dunstable
Grove, Leeds
Halfway House, Brenchley
Hand & Shears, EC1
Harp, WC2
Kelham Island Tavern, Sheffield
Orange Tree, N21
Red Lion, Snargate
Royal Exchange, Stone
Seven Stars, Rugby
Southampton Arms, NW5
Victoria, Great Harwood
Whalebone, Hull
Wigan Central, Wigan
Ye Olde Mitre, EC1


I have managed to visit just 17 of pubs on the roll of honour above.

Komakino
01-02-2019, 07:32
I'm just behind Mobes on 14 out of the 48.

oldboots
01-02-2019, 08:09
27 for me, includes the first 10 on the list.

Pubsignman
01-02-2019, 09:32
Interesting list - thanks for compiling. I'm a bit surprised to see that I've been to 39 of these pubs - I must have excellent taste!! ;)

NickDavies
01-02-2019, 10:54
13 .. I must get out more.

trainman
01-02-2019, 11:40
I think I'm only missing 6. Not sure about the Whalebone but presume must have visited on PG Hull tour.
So, 42!! ... and a week's crawl around that lot would surely provide the quintessential answer to life, the universe, and everything..!

Mobyduck
01-02-2019, 11:44
I think I'm only missing 6. Not sure about the Whalebone but presume must have visited on PG Hull tour.
I think you did Jim, but I gave it a miss, obviously a mistake.

Quinno
01-02-2019, 12:42
37 for me - so perhaps a challenge for me this year is to try and bag the remainder!!

ETA
01-02-2019, 13:59
I suppose to complete the list we ought to include those that only got 1 vote - sorry, nomination.

Al Bundy
01-02-2019, 14:57
I've created a new post on the Not Another List, sorry that should be Yet Another List (http://forums.pubsgalore.co.uk/newreply.php?do=postreply&t=17609) thread, with a pdf file of my spreadsheet as an attachment. I can't attach the original spreadsheet as the file type is not recognised.

Just a small point. My selection of The Grapes in Liverpool is the one on Knight St/Roscoe St and not the crap one in the Cavern Quarter as stated on your attachment. Thank you.

Aqualung
01-02-2019, 15:40
I suppose to complete the list we ought to include those that only got 1 vote - sorry, nomination.

Nomination is a better word but I like four letter words!
I've already looked into Worth Matravers to find that the nearest bus is a long mile away which really rules it out for me.
My single vote for the Hare & Hounds near Hebden Bridge was only made possible by the fact that there is now a decent bus service from HB station which will drop you off and pick you up at the door. Forty years ago it was a walk involving some VERY steep hills but it did include the Mount Skip. They weren't overly strict on afternoon closing which also helped.

sheffield hatter
01-02-2019, 17:41
Just a small point. My selection of The Grapes in Liverpool is the one on Knight St/Roscoe St and not the crap one in the Cavern Quarter as stated on your attachment. Thank you.

OMG. I don't know where to put myself. How embarrassing. :o

I've corrected my spreadheet-pdf on the other thread. A happy result of this is that the average score of the 203 pubs that were nominated has gone up from 8.4 to the slightly more respectable (except for fans of the seven times table) 8.5.

Humble apologies. I'll buy you a pint next time we're both in the Grapes (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/26660/) at the same time.

sheffield hatter
01-02-2019, 17:43
I think I'm only missing 6. Not sure about the Whalebone but presume must have visited on PG Hull tour.
So, 42!! ... and a week's crawl around that lot would surely provide the quintessential answer to life, the universe, and everything..!

I think I did the Whalebone on my own when we did Hull, though others may have done it earlier or later, of course.

Wittenden
01-02-2019, 17:44
Ten for me,of which five were visited in my youth,so are not reviewed here.

sheffield hatter
01-02-2019, 17:52
I'm a bit surprised to see that I've been to 39 of these 48 pubs - I must have excellent taste!! ;)



37 for me - so perhaps a challenge for me this year is to try and bag the remainder!!

Just 35 of the quintessential 48 for me. Not surprised to find that Leigh has better taste than me! I've had my eye on the Bell at Aldworth and the Organ Grinder in Loughborough for some time, and almost did the Hand & Shears four years ago, but the other 10 are just a bit off the beaten track for me, so too much of a challenge.

I'm reasonably happy with my 105 out of the 203 total nominations - no doubt half a dozen of you have done 120 or more...

Tris39
01-02-2019, 18:45
This is the 48 pubs in alphabet order that achieved more than one vote :-

5 Votes (2)
Brunswick, Derby
Grove, Huddersfield

4 Votes (5)
Black Horse, Preston
Marble Arch, Manchester
Nags Head, Reading
Vine, Brierley Hill
Wenlock Arms, N1


3 Votes (15)
Beacon Hotel, Sedgley
Bell Inn, Aldworth
Crown, Stockport
Fleece, Bretforton
Great Western, Wolverhampton
Guide Dog, Southampton
Harry's Bar, Wakefield
Hope, Carshalton
Old Swan, Netherton
Organ Grinder, Loughborough
Roscoe Head, Liverpool
Royal Oak, SE1
Square & Compass, Worth Matravers
Star Inn, Bath
Wellington, Birmingham





2 Votes (26)
Antelope, Surbiton
Barton Arms, Aston
Bhurtpore, Aston
Blue Bell, York
Bridge Hotel, Newcastle
Bridge, Topsham
Cask, SW1
Chesham Arms, E9
City Arms, Manchester
Cover Bridge, East Witton
Fat Cat, Norwich
Globe, Dunstable
Grove, Leeds
Halfway House, Brenchley
Hand & Shears, EC1
Harp, WC2
Kelham Island Tavern, Sheffield
Orange Tree, N21
Red Lion, Snargate
Royal Exchange, Stone
Seven Stars, Rugby
Southampton Arms, NW5
Victoria, Great Harwood
Whalebone, Hull
Wigan Central, Wigan
Ye Olde Mitre, EC1


Oh dear - just five for me:

Chesham, E9
Hand & Shears, EC1
Southampton Arms, NW5
Wenlock, N1
Ye Olde Mitre, EC1

I must try walking further...:(

rpadam
01-02-2019, 19:23
38 for me, missing:

Bell Inn, Aldworth
Organ Grinder, Loughborough
Antelope, Surbiton
City Arms, Manchester
Cover Bridge, East Witton
Globe, Dunstable
Orange Tree, N21
Royal Exchange, Stone
Victoria, Great Harwood
Wigan Central, Wigan

but all but one already on my 'must visit' list...

oldboots
01-02-2019, 19:25
I think I'm only missing 6. Not sure about the Whalebone but presume must have visited on PG Hull tour.
So, 42!! ... and a week's crawl around that lot would surely provide the quintessential answer to life, the universe, and everything..!

It wasn't part of the official crawl being a bit north of the city centre in an industrial wasteland, well worth the trip though but.

Aqualung
01-02-2019, 19:47
I make it 32 for me a few of which were many years ago. The furthest back was the Crown at Stockport which was the first port of call on my first visit to Robinson's brewery and my first visit to Stockport. It was a Boddington's pub then and it was before they ruined the bitter. Old Tom featured later making it a shambolic event!

sheffield hatter
01-02-2019, 20:03
These lists were the result of collating the independent "Top Tens" of 28 Pubs Galore regulars and determining which pubs were those which had been picked most often.

So, 28 people nominated their 10 favourite pubs (apart from a couple of rebels who picked 11), there were 282 nominations but 203 unique pubs; 48 pubs were nominated by two or more people.

5 - 2 pubs
4 - 5 pubs
3 - 15 pubs
2 - 26 pubs
1 - 155 pubs


Ohh stats! I love stats.

OK, answer this: how "normal" does the distribution of the nominated pubs look?

Quinno
01-02-2019, 20:07
It wasn't part of the official crawl being a bit north of the city centre in an industrial wasteland, well worth the trip though but.

A group of us went at the end, led ably by Ian...we were all pretty blootered, so I can't much recall who was there (OB, PSM and RAR seem to ring a bell). Pretty sure you weren't though, Jym.

Pubsignman
02-02-2019, 00:24
A group of us went at the end, led ably by Ian...we were all pretty blootered, so I can't much recall who was there (OB, PSM and RAR seem to ring a bell). Pretty sure you weren't though, Jym.

You must've been more blootered than you thought - I didn't even go on the Hull crawl!! :nishelypished:

sheffield hatter
02-02-2019, 07:29
A group of us went at the end, led ably by Ian...we were all pretty blootered, so I can't much recall who was there (OB, PSM and RAR seem to ring a bell). Pretty sure you weren't though, Jym.



You must've been more blootered than you thought - I didn't even go on the Hull crawl!! :nishelypished:

Marvellous. You couldn't make it up, no one would believe it!

trainman
02-02-2019, 08:36
A group of us went at the end, led ably by Ian...we were all pretty blootered, so I can't much recall who was there (OB, PSM and RAR seem to ring a bell). Pretty sure you weren't though, Jym.

Ah, I did the Holy Inadequate separately to others outside Newcastle-U-L, but maybe not the Whalebone then.
Well, 41 doesn't give me the answer to life etc... I'm lost now!

AlanH
02-02-2019, 11:06
This is the 48 pubs in alphabet order that achieved more than one vote :-

5 Votes (2)
Brunswick, Derby
Grove, Huddersfield

4 Votes (5)
Black Horse, Preston
Marble Arch, Manchester
Nags Head, Reading
Vine, Brierley Hill
Wenlock Arms, N1


3 Votes (15)
Beacon Hotel, Sedgley
Bell Inn, Aldworth
Crown, Stockport
Fleece, Bretforton
Great Western, Wolverhampton
Guide Dog, Southampton
Harry's Bar, Wakefield
Hope, Carshalton
Old Swan, Netherton
Organ Grinder, Loughborough
Roscoe Head, Liverpool
Royal Oak, SE1
Square & Compass, Worth Matravers
Star Inn, Bath
Wellington, Birmingham





2 Votes (26)
Antelope, Surbiton
Barton Arms, Aston
Bhurtpore, Aston
Blue Bell, York
Bridge Hotel, Newcastle
Bridge, Topsham
Cask, SW1
Chesham Arms, E9
City Arms, Manchester
Cover Bridge, East Witton
Fat Cat, Norwich
Globe, Dunstable
Grove, Leeds
Halfway House, Brenchley
Hand & Shears, EC1
Harp, WC2
Kelham Island Tavern, Sheffield
Orange Tree, N21
Red Lion, Snargate
Royal Exchange, Stone
Seven Stars, Rugby
Southampton Arms, NW5
Victoria, Great Harwood
Whalebone, Hull
Wigan Central, Wigan
Ye Olde Mitre, EC1


Only 9. This is Holy Inadequate! As none are in Wales, Really must get out of Wales more!

Still struggling to get a top 10 (Many contenders before my reviewing days)

Quinno
02-02-2019, 19:15
You must've been more blootered than you thought - I didn't even go on the Hull crawl!! :nishelypished:

:eek:

Your spirit must linger with us - !

My only memories of the Whalebone on that first visit are a fragment of walking through the estate (sans Kaiser Chiefs), and then inside the pub with a rugby league match on the go and me loudly declaring it as 'one of the best boozers everrrr'

I have since been back and I concur with my original statement.

trainman
03-02-2019, 10:24
A tough ask for a day's crawl..! https://goo.gl/maps/gAYeGhEsKJz

I'm missing:
Fleece, Bretforton WR11 7JE
Bridge Hotel, Newcastle NE1 3UF
Cover Bridge, East Witton DL8 4SQ
Royal Exchange, Stone ST15 8DA
Victoria, Great Harwood BB6 7EP
Whalebone, Hull HU2 0PA
Wigan Central, Wigan WN3 4DY

sheffield hatter
03-02-2019, 10:31
A tough ask for a day's crawl..! https://goo.gl/maps/gAYeGhEsKJz

I'm missing:
Fleece, Bretforton WR11 7JE
Bridge Hotel, Newcastle NE1 3UF
Cover Bridge, East Witton DL8 4SQ
Royal Exchange, Stone ST15 8DA
Victoria, Great Harwood BB6 7EP
Whalebone, Hull HU2 0PA
Wigan Central, Wigan WN3 4DY

If you ask nicely, you can borrow my helicopter.

Bucking Fastard
11-02-2019, 16:44
This is the 48 pubs in alphabet order that achieved more than one vote :-

5 Votes (2)
Brunswick, Derby
Grove, Huddersfield

4 Votes (5)
Black Horse, Preston
Marble Arch, Manchester
Nags Head, Reading
Vine, Brierley Hill
Wenlock Arms, N1


3 Votes (15)
Beacon Hotel, Sedgley
Bell Inn, Aldworth
Crown, Stockport
Fleece, Bretforton
Great Western, Wolverhampton
Guide Dog, Southampton
Harry's Bar, Wakefield
Hope, Carshalton
Old Swan, Netherton
Organ Grinder, Loughborough
Roscoe Head, Liverpool
Royal Oak, SE1
Square & Compass, Worth Matravers
Star Inn, Bath
Wellington, Birmingham





2 Votes (26)
Antelope, Surbiton
Barton Arms, Aston
Bhurtpore, Aston
Blue Bell, York
Bridge Hotel, Newcastle
Bridge, Topsham
Cask, SW1
Chesham Arms, E9
City Arms, Manchester
Cover Bridge, East Witton
Fat Cat, Norwich
Globe, Dunstable
Grove, Leeds
Halfway House, Brenchley
Hand & Shears, EC1
Harp, WC2
Kelham Island Tavern, Sheffield
Orange Tree, N21
Red Lion, Snargate
Royal Exchange, Stone
Seven Stars, Rugby
Southampton Arms, NW5
Victoria, Great Harwood
Whalebone, Hull
Wigan Central, Wigan
Ye Olde Mitre, EC1


Visited 31 out of these 48 .

This is what I call a list worth doing,and it has highlighted lots that I really must hit .Well done everybody.

Aqualung
11-02-2019, 19:49
This is what I call a list worth doing,and it has highlighted lots that I really must hit .Well done everybody.

I make you right there, I think the only problem with some of them is being a victim of their own success but that can be worked around. I hated the Harp on my first Saturday night visit but really liked it before 11:00 on a weekday. The Great Western can be a pain on December Saturdays or if Wolves are at home but only because there are too many supporters.
I spent Friday afternoon and early evening in Wigan Central which I had prevaricated over when choosing 10. I went for the Belper Angel because it's more of a proper micropub and does a fantastic range of beers. I certainly want to revisit Stone, probably going to Stafford late afternoon for a faster train back to Euston.

london calling
14-02-2019, 20:17
I know the rules of this list is no comments about choices so this is a statement.
I cant help noticing how few Camra pub of the year choices are on our list.Comparing the last 10 years I can only see the Harp and the Kelham Island.No votes for the Baum.
Quelle surprise.

Quinno
14-02-2019, 21:56
I know the rules of this list is no comments about choices so this is a statement.
I cant help noticing how few Camra pub of the year choices are on our list.Comparing the last 10 years I can only see the Harp and the Kelham Island.No votes for the Baum.
Quelle surprise.

You can only vote for where you've visited. I've never been to the Baum.

rpadam
14-02-2019, 22:16
You can only vote for where you've visited. I've never been to the Baum.
Me neither (although it was on my 'visit list' until the recent kerfuffle, and now back on again after the latest news).

Aqualung
15-02-2019, 08:27
I know the rules of this list is no comments about choices so this is a statement.
I cant help noticing how few Camra pub of the year choices are on our list.Comparing the last 10 years I can only see the Harp and the Kelham Island.No votes for the Baum.
Quelle surprise.

Hasn't the Hope at Carshalton won it in the last 10 years and the Reading Nags Head?
The point about no comments was made by me to avoid anyone slagging off other people's choices, forgetting that this isn't the CAMRA discourse forum!

Mobyduck
15-02-2019, 09:45
Hasn't the Hope at Carshalton won it in the last 10 years and the Reading Nags Head?
The point about no comments was made by me to avoid anyone slagging off other people's choices, forgetting that this isn't the CAMRA discourse forum!

The Nags Head hasn't won it before,a last four place I think

Pubsignman
15-02-2019, 10:38
Hasn't the Hope at Carshalton won it in the last 10 years and the Reading Nags Head?

2017 The Cricketers Arms - St Helens
2016 The George & Dragon, Hudswell
2015 The Sandford Park Alehouse, Cheltenham
2014 The Salutation Inn, Ham
2013 The Swan with two Necks, Pendleton
2012 The Baum, Rochdale
2011 Bridge End Inn, Ruabon
2010 The Harp, Covent Garden
2009 Kelham Island Tavern
2008 Kelham Island Tavern
2007 Old Spot Inn, Dursley

Komakino
15-02-2019, 12:48
2017 The Cricketers Arms, St Helens
2016 The George & Dragon, Hudswell
2015 The Sandford Park Alehouse, Cheltenham
2014 The Salutation Inn, Ham
2013 The Swan with two Necks, Pendleton
2012 The Baum, Rochdale
2011 Bridge End Inn, Ruabon
2010 The Harp, Covent Garden
2009 Kelham Island Tavern
2008 Kelham Island Tavern
2007 Old Spot Inn, Dursley

6/10 for me ;)

sheffield hatter
15-02-2019, 22:04
2017 The Cricketers Arms - St Helens
2016 The George & Dragon, Hudswell
2015 The Sandford Park Alehouse, Cheltenham
2014 The Salutation Inn, Ham
2013 The Swan with two Necks, Pendleton
2012 The Baum, Rochdale
2011 Bridge End Inn, Ruabon
2010 The Harp, Covent Garden
2009 Kelham Island Tavern
2008 Kelham Island Tavern
2007 Old Spot Inn, Dursley

That's 11 years...


6/10 for me ;)

...but 10 pubs.


I cant help noticing how few Camra pub of the year choices are on our list.Comparing the last 10 years I can only see the Harp and the Kelham Island.

The Old Spot, Dursley was nominated by Leigh. And the Cricketers in St Helens was nominated by Spinko, so that's four. They didn't appear on Aqualung's truncated list because of failing to garner a seconder.

Not that it was a competition... or even a vote. (See complete list here (http://forums.pubsgalore.co.uk/showthread.php?17609-Yet-another-list/page110).) Or better, see the attachment below (I didn't notice that the original one had become unformatted when I corrected my careless error on Al Bundy's Grapes (Roscoe St)). [Why didn't someone tell me? Were you afraid I'd become senile overnight? :o ]

Tris39
16-02-2019, 19:25
That's 11 years...



...but 10 pubs.



The Old Spot, Dursley was nominated by Leigh. And the Cricketers in St Helens was nominated by Spinko, so that's four. They didn't appear on Aqualung's truncated list because of failing to garner a seconder.

Not that it was a competition... or even a vote. (See complete list here (http://forums.pubsgalore.co.uk/showthread.php?17609-Yet-another-list/page110).) Or better, see the attachment below (I didn't notice that the original one had become unformatted when I corrected my careless error on Al Bundy's Grapes (Roscoe St)). [Why didn't someone tell me? Were you afraid I'd become senile overnight? :o ]

A great list and 21 for me:

Black Friar, EC4
Charles Lamb, N1
Cock Tavern, E8
Chesham Arms, E8
Dukes Head, N6
Gardeners Arms, Oxford
Hand & Shears, EC1
Harrow Inn, Petersfield
Hemingford Arms, N1
Old Fountain, EC1
Princess Louise, WC1
Salisbury, N4
Seven Stars, WC2
Southampton Arms, NW5
Tapping the Admiral, NW1
Victoria, W2
Warrington Hotel, W9
Wenlock Arms, N1
Wilton’s, E1
Ye Olde Cheshire Cheese, EC4
Ye Olde Mitre, EC1

BTW, as it's a London pub, should not the Dukes Head (last page) have the postcode of N6 rather than the area 'Highgate'?

sheffield hatter
16-02-2019, 22:34
BTW, as it's a London pub, should not the Dukes Head (last page) have the postcode of N6 rather than the area 'Highgate'?

Quite right. I'm glad someone's paying attention.

Aqualung
17-02-2019, 21:43
Just to illustrate how fickle these choices can be these were my thought processes about including a Batham's pub. There are three that I rate more or less the same, The Royal Exchange in Stourbridge, The Vine in Brierley Hill and the Britannia in Upper Gornal. I felt I had to include one of them so I went for the easiest one to get to (the Britannia) rather than the more obvious Vine Brewery Tap. If I had put forward the Vine it would have joined the other two with five nominations.

sheffield hatter
17-02-2019, 22:51
Just to illustrate how fickle these choices can be these were my thought processes about including a Batham's pub. There are three that I rate more or less the same, The Royal Exchange in Stourbridge, The Vine in Brierley Hill and the Britannia in Upper Gornal. I felt I had to include one of them so I went for the easiest one to get to (the Britannia) rather than the more obvious Vine Brewery Tap. If I had put forward the Vine it would have joined the other two with five nominations.

That's why this sort of popular poll is better done blindfold. If it had really been a vote, it could have distorted everyone's view. I'm not sure fickle is the right word here - you had your reasons at the time, as did others. No one is right, no one is wrong.

I've only been to the Vine once, on a fairly drunken coach trip - it wasn't the coach or more importantly the driver that was drunk. My appreciation of the pub was not recorded at the time, because I don't write very good notes after a few beers (or not that I can make out for typing up later, anyway). I take my hat off to reviewing colleagues who seem able to achieve something readable without having to resort to make-believe (see my reviews on the Alan Winfield Memorial Crawl (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/crawl/viewcrawl.php?crawl=1398) for my degenerate efforts).

Whatever the reasons for each of us choosing our top ten, and whether or not they would have been different if we had our time again, it's been fun.

Quinno
18-02-2019, 19:13
As the title says. Following this comment in another thread;



I thought it would be fun to start one.

This is not easy, as I have just discovered. Getting on for 3,800 reviews, I have scored 32 a perfect 10 (0.84%)*. Of these 32, there are a number where I would have the score at 9.5, which knocks about half out. This left 19 to narrow down to 10! I gave favour to those where I have visited more than once - maintaining a 10 across multiple visits is a feat in itself. Then knocked out some where the last visit was more than 5 years ago. Then I filled the last few places with those where I shelved plans to move elsewhere, or I made a revisit during a crawl. Your methodology may be a bit different, of course ;)

So here, in no particular order, is the Quinno Top 10 (thus far...)!


The Bell Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/61608/) Aldworth
The Monks Walk (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/60267/) Beverley
West Riding Licensed Refreshment Rooms (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/40387/) Dewsbury
The Whalebone (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/52688/) Hull
The Strugglers Inn (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/21492/) Lincoln
Nags Head (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/1691/) Reading
Beacon Hotel (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/38292/) Sedgley
Kelham Island Tavern (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/56068/) Sheffield
The Guide Dog (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/59830/) Southampton
The Great Western (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/39188/) Wolverhampton


* - Snow White ran a bit of script which pulled out all my scores for every pub, so if you want the same, I'm sure you just need to ask nicely :)

Having visited The Bridge End (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/61960/) on Sunday I am tempted to say that it gets into my 10 at the expense of...?!

bcfczuluarmy
19-02-2019, 23:39
As a non ale drinker I'm not sure where to begin on rating a pub top 10. Open and serves me drink is initial criteria. I'm only really going to have one pint so whatever happens while in there I'm not too fussed over, WWIII or a fight can happen doesn't bother me. If local enough to me I may revisit in a couple of years time but not going out of my way if other new options available.

I think I'll go with the quirky pubs and ones with no bars as they have something about them over any normal establishment. Am I spoiling the fun for real ale drinkers with my view of a top 10?

Aqualung
20-02-2019, 08:37
I think I'll go with the quirky pubs and ones with no bars as they have something about them over any normal establishment. Am I spoiling the fun for real ale drinkers with my view of a top 10?
Not at all, I like pubs with Railway porn which some people may find a bit weird. There are two on my list plus one or two that came close.

london calling
20-02-2019, 19:36
As a non ale drinker I'm not sure where to begin on rating a pub top 10. Open and serves me drink is initial criteria. I'm only really going to have one pint so whatever happens while in there I'm not too fussed over, WWIII or a fight can happen doesn't bother me. If local enough to me I may revisit in a couple of years time but not going out of my way if other new options available.

I think I'll go with the quirky pubs and ones with no bars as they have something about them over any normal establishment. Am I spoiling the fun for real ale drinkers with my view of a top 10?
It doesn't have to have real ale for me but it must have something that I enjoyed to drink.I rarely rate a pub if it has only mainstream lagers and Guinness so I found it difficult to find a worst pub of the year as I don't visit worst pubs.Must make pub ticking a bit easier for you?

NickDavies
24-02-2019, 12:20
It doesn't have to have real ale for me but it must have something that I enjoyed to drink.I rarely rate a pub if it has only mainstream lagers and Guinness so I found it difficult to find a worst pub of the year as I don't visit worst pubs.Must make pub ticking a bit easier for you?

Plenty of worst pubs that sell real ale. Like here (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubreviews/54249/)

Aqualung
24-02-2019, 14:26
Plenty of worst pubs that sell real ale. Like here (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubreviews/54249/)

If I ever go back to Brighton I intend to revisit that one just to see if it's still as bad.

london calling
24-02-2019, 19:53
Plenty of worst pubs that sell real ale. Like here (https://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubreviews/54249/)
More than likely my worst pub visits are cask pubs.Poor quality beer pubs always get low scores from me.Had plenty of tastless keg beers but condition is never a problem.

NickDavies
25-02-2019, 08:19
More than likely my worst pub visits are cask pubs.Poor quality beer pubs always get low scores from me.Had plenty of tastless keg beers but condition is never a problem.

A lot of that problem, at least among the rural pubs I nose around is simply down to demand. Many such pubs could probably last Monday to Thursday on a 36 pint poly pin. When I see three or four pumps clipped up on a midweek afternoon and the few punters are either all on lager at one end or are final-salary lunchers on red wine at the other I know it isn't going to end well.