CAMRA members vote to approve change

[NickDavies]

CAMRA members vote to approve change following largest consultation on 47 year history

https://wb.camra.org.uk/2018/04/21/camra-members-vote-to-approve-change-following-largest-consultation-on-47-year-history/

[Wittenden]

CAMRA members vote to approve change following largest consultation on 47 year history

https://wb.camra.org.uk/2018/04/21/camra-members-vote-to-approve-change-following-largest-consultation-on-47-year-history/

Yet the crafties on Twitter are moaning.

[NickDavies]

I've never understood why people feel the need to be so antagonistic. It's a membership organization, like say the WI or the Caravan Club. It doesn't wish anyone harm, it won't affect your life, you can safely ignore it completely and pretend it never existed. And in some cases I suspect you'll be a lot happier if you did. If you are in fact a member of it and it isn't fulfilling your needs or is making you unhappy it's easy, you can try to change things from the inside or you can find another hobby.

[oldboots]

For some reason people get all fired up about beer, they take it as a personal affront that someone prefers a different type of beer to themselves, as if not drinking the same as you was some sort of insult. I remember being in the Three Pigeons in Halifax with RobCamra when some bloke drinking lager decided to tell us for some unknown reason what was wrong with “real ale”.

I have been at the Camra AGM and the level of misreporting about it is astounding, not surprising when attendees voted on what they thought the motions said rather than what they actually said, certainly a home for the weirder conspiracy theorists.

[trainman]

I remember being in the Three Pigeons in Halifax with RobCamra when some bloke drinking lager decided to tell us for some unknown reason what was wrong with “real ale”..
Wow, I would like to have been at that meeting of minds..!

[Aqualung]

For some reason people get all fired up about beer, they take it as a personal affront that someone prefers a different type of beer to themselves, as if not drinking the same as you was some sort of insult. I remember being in the Three Pigeons in Halifax with RobCamra when some bloke drinking lager decided to tell us for some unknown reason what was wrong with “real ale”.

I have been at the Camra AGM and the level of misreporting about it is astounding, not surprising when attendees voted on what they thought the motions said rather than what they actually said, certainly a home for the weirder conspiracy theorists.

I once had a stranger tell me that Thwaites Wainwright was the best beer ever.
I find it difficult to raise any enthusiasm for this subject. Why not have some choice keg beers at CAMRA beer festivals? I don't remember people complaining about Foreign beer stands which are now a part of most festivals and the stuff they sell isn't my idea of "Real Ale".
I find the slavish devotion in some quarters to the old regional brewers annoying but not as much as those who proclaim that keg is the only way forwards. I'd like to hear them say that after a PINT of Brains Barry Island IPA!

[london calling]

I am disappointed with the vote but had predicted it.Looked at two Camra fest lists this week in London and both with the exception of about 4 breweries were made up of beers that would have been on the lists 10 years ago.Even if they allowed keg they would have probably went for the stuff that the regional breweries are producing.Keg beer is a style of dispense so Brains beer-shit in -shit out.

[hondo]

https://www.morningadvertiser.co.uk/Article/2018/04/23/Tiny-Rebel-co-founder-misses-out-on-CAMRA-national-executive-seat

[Aqualung]

https://www.morningadvertiser.co.uk/Article/2018/04/23/Tiny-Rebel-co-founder-misses-out-on-CAMRA-national-executive-seat

I'd rather see him continue the great work he's done at the brewery than waste his time with that!

[oldboots]

https://www.morningadvertiser.co.uk/Article/2018/04/23/Tiny-Rebel-co-founder-misses-out-on-CAMRA-national-executive-seat

A small example of the mis-reporting is in this article, Colin Valentine did not say anything about "my fellow Directors and I" simply because he stepped down as chairman around 12:40 on Sunday, he constantly referred to them as "soon to be ex-collegues" and similar phases.


I am disappointed with the vote but had predicted it.Looked at two Camra fest lists this week in London and both with the exception of about 4 breweries were made up of beers that would have been on the lists 10 years ago.Even if they allowed keg they would have probably went for the stuff that the regional breweries are producing.Keg beer is a style of dispense so Brains beer-shit in -shit out.

What was disappointing for you? The results of the SRs or the results of the NE election?

All SRs except 6 were passed by big majorities and SR6 only failed by less than 3% to get the required (under The Companies Act 2006) majority, that's massive support for "Revitalisation". I think SR6 failed because it was just a little too wide ranging, maybe limiting it to just Beer (& Cider & Perry) drinkers might have passed and would have better reflected the survey results.

The result of the NE election is just weird, Lynn Atack is a staunch Goldings and Fuggles only type of person but she came top. Speculation on Discourse is that she came top because the progressive vote was split over several candidates. Ash is young but fairly conservative and I think Gillian is fair traditional too.

[Mobyduck]

I'd rather see him continue the great work he's done at the brewery than waste his time with that!

I voted for him, but I make you right.

[london calling]

[QUOTE=oldboots;92780]A small example of the mis-reporting is in this article, Colin Valentine did not say anything about "my fellow Directors and I" simply because he stepped down as chairman around 12:40 on Sunday, he constantly referred to them as "soon to be ex-collegues" and similar phases.



What was disappointing for you? The results of the SRs or the results of the NE election?

All SRs except 6 were passed by big majorities and SR6 only failed by less than 3% to get the required (under The Companies Act 2006) majority, that's massive support for "Revitalisation". I think SR6 failed because it was just a little too wide ranging, maybe limiting it to just Beer (& Cider & Perry) drinkers might have passed and would have better reflected the survey results.

The result of the NE election is just weird, Lynn Atack is a staunch Goldings and Fuggles only type of person but she came top. Speculation on Discourse is that she came top because the progressive vote was split over several candidates. Ash is young but fairly conservative and I think Gillian is fair traditional too.[/


am disappointed that SR6 was not passed. I think Camra has missed a chance to attract new young members.

[oldboots]

am disappointed that SR6 was not passed. I think Camra has missed a chance to attract new young members.

I'm not convinced acting "as the voice and representing the interest of all pub goers and beer, cider and perry drinkers"*, would cut it with the under forties. A major difficulty is the image problem and that is so bad I don't know how long it would take to reverse; beards, sandals, and beer bellies covered by stained brewery T-shirts is just too tempting for the lazy journalist and others. They also see Camra as irrelevant because they think, wrongly, the fight for "Real Ale" has been won. The other problem of course is activation, there are nearly 200,000 members, but only 18,000 odd voted in the elections and resolutions and about 600 turned up in Coventry. The numbers sway the politicians and civil servants but without the active members who run beer festivals, survey pubs, etc Camra will turn into "a National Trust for beer" with lots of inactive armchair members of an organisation run by a professional team of employees.

* I have quoted SR6 because it doesn't actually say "embrace craft keg" or "campaign for Fosters and Carling".

[london calling]

I think if Camra was the voice for all beers and started allowing craft keg into the fests and wrote about it in Whats Brewing it would prosper.The ones who want to stick with real ale could but I think it would attract new drinkers.Lets face it the Great British Beer Fest without the best breweries in the country is a bit of a misnomer.

[oldboots]

... started allowing craft keg into the fests ...

A motion to this effect (motion 16) was passed at the conference last weekend and will soon be Camra policy.

Of course it's not mandatory to serve non-real ale it's still up to the festival organising committees which beers they serve.