Pub Photography - A Risky Business?

[Andy Ven]

We have touched upon this subject at various times recently but has anyone yet been confronted by someone objecting to you taking photos of a pub?

I was photographing something like my 420th pub on Sunday in Kingswinford. Bearing in mind that a few smokers were sat outside I kept a reasonable distance and photographed the wider building and the pub sign. As I was going back to my car a fairly young chap shouted Oi! and asked why I was photographing his pub (I say 'young' because he looked about 30 and therefore relatively young for a publican). This was my first ever objection.

He came striding across the car park towards me and I was half-bracing myself for a punch on the nose. I have anticipated what I might do in this situation so I had my answer prepared.

I explained that I take photos, as a hobby, for a website called Pubs Galore where people can upload photos and reviews. I showed him my list that I was working through and explained that there was nothing on the site for his pub so I was effectively doing something to put the pub on the map, give it some free advertising and that I was about as dangerous as a train-spotter. Fortunately, he then mellowed and said 'Oh, I'll have a look at that'.

You don't quite know how things might pan out and ensuring my own safety is high on my list of priorities. If he had still objected I would have offered to delete the pictures. I would have given up my memory card only with great reluctance but no way was he getting his hands on my camera.

If I get an uneasy feeling when I arrive on a pub car park I even park near to or facing the exit so that I can get away. I keep a distance and rely on the zoom of my camera to get a decent shot. If I take a photo inside a pub I use my camera phone so that people aren't annoyed by a flash going off.

It's a bit sad that people are so suspicious. Obviously if you write reviews you can do this more discreetly. Accepting that we do this voluntarily, and therefore I see no responsibility on the part of PG to look after us, has anyone else faced a similar situation and what did you do (or even if you've only thought about it what is your contingency plan)? :confused:

[Conrad]

I have to say that story just makes me sad :( it really shouldn't be like that.

The other thought that jumped into my head is to think is it a surprise that pub business is suffering when there is this sort of concern? (An open question if a little bit leading). I am sure that price and the smoking ban have a huge effect, but I also think people are less sociable these days (although that may just be me :)).

[oldboots]

I've had a few funny looks as a quick look at some of my pictures will show, only once did I get some sort of shout - I was on the other side of the road and at an angle so I just ignored the bloke and walked off leaving him to his fag. Often I take the pictures after leaving a pub and having a drink so I care a little less than if I was sober, but I usually assess the situation before pointing the camera and sometimes don't bother if I think it might be trouble. I've had funny looks while taking notes but only a couple of people have asked what I was doing, I usually say "making notes about some work I'm doing tomorrow" or "I just saw a bloke about some work and I don't want to forget what he said". One guy thought I was a "CAMRA inspector".

[Maldenman]

I generally wait until any smokers have gone back inside, two reasons really, I don't want any bother nor do I want them cluttering up my photo. I have had instances where I'm looked at strangely, but so what, it's my life not theirs.

Interior photos I'm more wary of, as again I don't really want to include people and I don't wish to arouse suspicion.

With any photo you take in a public place there is the risk of someone taking it wrongly, I just exercise caution and common sense.

Cars and number plates don't bother me, if someone is where they shouldn't be it's their risk not mine.

[gillhalfpint]

I have not had bother with interior or exterior photos. I have had a smoker jump out of shot when I pointed camera at a pub before. Usually take the photo before going in in case I forget when coming out.

Taking notes makes me more suspicious to the drinkers. "Beer Police?" is one comment I got from a chap at the next table. I just say I'm noting beers like a trainspotter notes trains. I have not felt threatened before, and have never had to work out an escape strategy.

The thought that someone has to do that is a bit off putting. I like to feel that I do what I do for pleasure and would not be comfortable with it if I felt threatened.

[RogerB]

I was attacked a couple of years ago whilst doing the rounds locally. 2 blokes must have trailed me and one came from behind whilst the other "queried" what I was doing. He made a grab and I managed to shake him off and half punch him into the road (shame there wasn't a car coming along at the time). He didn't get the whole camera but the lens came away and both chaps ran off with it. Had I not still had the rest of my camera I would have probably made chase and undoubtedly kicked the crap out of at least one of them had I caught them. I think they were probably pikeys from the funfair over in the local park (it was Easter Bank Holiday). Naturally, the police did sod all about it!:moremad:

[trainman]

That's most disturbing Roger and, for those who've not had the pleasure of meeting him, he's a big bloke.
Pity it couldn't be settled by a Queensberry rules drinking contest. I think we know the winner there...

But risky business in a different sense - this one was obviously taken on the way out - Peter Ashworth, I salute you!

http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubpictures/20062/

[Strongers]

That's most disturbing Roger and, for those who've not had the pleasure of meeting him, he's a big bloke.
Pity it couldn't be settled by a Queensberry rules drinking contest. I think we know the winner there...

But risky business in a different sense - this one was obviously taken on the way out - Peter Ashworth, I salute you!

http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubpictures/20062/

I spotted that one and it made me chuckle.... Nearly as bad as some of mine!

I've had a couple of funny looks, but I find a quizzical stare puts people on the back foot.

[aleandhearty]

I've only been accosted once, by the manager of a large Harvester type place,ironically not really a proper pub, on the outskirts of Wakefield. Set back from the road, with a huge car park, I couldn't get a decent shot without straying from the footpath. As it was before the place opened, it wan't surprising I stuck out like a sore thumb, standing alone in an acre of tarmac. I suppose it didn't help that I was dressed in an outfit suitable only for heavy gardening.

The guy approached me at speed and asked whether he could help me at all, in the sort of tone that means P**s Off! I think he honestly thought I was casing the joint. Fortunately, I had about a dozen shots in total of different pubs, so he was mildly placated. I explained it was for a pub website and that it might drum up a bit of trade, but he still gave me the full face saving spiel on private property, asking permission...yada yada.

It's the pub's photo on 'the other site' and is quite similar to the one already on PuG, but maybe I should submit it anyway for posterity's sake.

[Farway]

I have had a few challenges, but now normally just say I collect pub photos, by my looks I reckon they just put me down a harmless dozy old git

However I do tend to park away from pub and walk back, having been accosted by some publicans when I used the car park [all mellowed once I explained PG web site]

Had same experience with a Harvester, but again they mellowed once explained

Do publicans spend all their time looking out of the windows?

I find it varies, some have even invited me in to take interior shots and details, give me their business card etc

I have just bought a new camera 18x optical zoom, so I hope I would have a head start on any one trying to catch me, but from my experience most seem OK with it, never had any real trouble, but then around here we even let folk out of side roads, give way to pedestrians at junctions and even wait our turn at the bar

[Andy Ven]

The other peril that I didn't mention is that I keep an eye out for a discreetly hidden car clamping sign. I don't go into every pub I photograph and therefore they would regard me as a fair target because I'm not a customer.

As I said at the start, I had photographed over 400 pubs before my first confrontation although I feel less comfortable since the smoking ban forced people to congregate around the front door.

Maybe it's an 'occupational' hazard. I've never met the legendary John McGraw but he must have had more hairy encounters than everyone else and I would envisage he has a wonky nose like a veteran centre half!

Let's be careful out there....

[Soup Dragon]

I just tell them to mind their own business, and if they have an issue, they can find me on PG under the name of Andy Ven

[Andy Ven]

I just tell them to mind their own business, and if they have an issue, they can find me on PG under the name of Andy Ven

They would probably say that didn't expect Andy Ven to look like such a douche bag

[Rex_Rattus]

I've never had anything like Roger's experience, although I've had a few funny looks. I've taken a few interior photos of pubs and a I generally ask permission first, and usually early in the session (i.e. 1100 to 1200). I didn't ask in the Coal Hole because it was full of tourists and people take pictures all the time. I was in pub a little while ago, in which I had taken a few shots with the barman's permission, I was making some notes when the landord came up to me and asked me what I was doing. I told him the truth (pub website, free publicity) and he said he was concerned because the pub had recently gone into administration. Obviously I immediately docked his pub 10 pints for going into administration! But he was mollified by my explanation, and offfered to show me around. He clearly thought that I was a creditor sizing up the assets! I think my general rule is that I don't take a shot if it includes people,

[ROBCamra]

my general rule is that I don't take a shot if it includes people,

I just posted a couple of photo's of the interior of the Baum on PuG and I couldn't get Chris the barman OUT of the shot, he wanted to be in it, so he is. :p

[Soup Dragon]

They would probably say that didn't expect Andy Ven to look like such a douche bag

Wink

On a serious note - i have only revceived jokes and welcomes when people see i am taking a photo - one publican said it was a pity it was a dull day as it would have looked better in the sun - i said, 'same about the beer, mate?'

Saying that, there have been a couple of places i have not got the camera phone out for, as the smoking crowd looked a bit dodgy

Its more the taking of notes that i have had a few piss taking comments - not from the gaffers that i recall, just other punters.

[Andy Ven]

I like looking at photos of my local area even from as recent as 20 years back because things change and we can forget what the 70s, 80s and 90s looked like. My efforts now are to allow me to look back on in 20 and 30 years, especially as pubs are closing and being demolished all the time. However, I can understand the piss taking. It's an OCD activity for anoraks like us who like order or for people with a fascination for tradition, architecture, heritage and social gatherings .... oh, and decent ale.

I'd go along with Rex as well. Some pubs attract visitors from a distance (even in the not particularly touristy parts of Dudley), because of what they are or where they are, and the publicans are quite relaxed about photos because they are used to it.

Last Sunday's experience though was at at local pub for local people

[ROBCamra]

It's an OCD activity for anoraks like us

I used to have CDO.

It's Obsessive Compulsive Disorder but with the letters in the correct alphabetical order. LIKE THEY BLOODY WELL SHOULD BE!!!! :D

[arwkrite]

""Its more the taking of notes that i have had a few piss taking comments - not from the gaffers that i recall, just other punters." Quote Soup Dragon.

I normally enter carrying a copy of the Daily Mail which has me taped as a right wing, brain damaged bovver boy of old. As most people know the mentally unstable are best left alone so I am left in piece to do my crossword. At the same time I can write notes in the margins about the pub. Only once has a customer questioned me........." Err Mate have you got the answer to 13 down yet ? ".
Because on most of my visits I was accompanied by the mrs I believe she helped when it came to taking photos. We just looked a harmless pair of halfwits.

[Strongers]

I've become a speed user of predictive text on my mobile and I type all of my notes into it so nobody has a clue what I'm doing.

When I used to work the jump I've had people sit at the bar with a little book scribbling away. It was in the days before I knew about pub reviewing so I didn't have a clue what they were doing. Being Hampstead I assumed they were making notes for a book or they were just mad old eccentrics logging their thoughts.

[Arthurish]

I had the owner of a pub question why i was taking a photo of his pub, I told him that I always take pictures of the pubs I have had a drink in. He said that I haven't had a drink in his pub so I mentioned he wasn't open yet and promised to visit when he was open. Which I did later.
He told me he was worried about spies. (MI5 or MI6 I didn't ask):D

Arthurish

[rpadam]

just mad old eccentrics logging their thoughts.
Ahem. Moving on quickly...

[arwkrite]

Gawd !! And I thought I was paranoid.:cool::muppet:

[Andy Ven]

I've had a few occasions in the last couple of months where someone else has posted photos of the same pubs as me on the same day (Soup Dragon trailing me around Cannock was the classic one).

You hope that there's not a major crime in that area on that day followed by a Crimewatch appeal for two suspicious looking characters seen scouting the area - one, a large green reptilian type creature from the Clangers and, the other, a Stanley Richer-than-yao lookalike :)

[Farway]

I've become a speed user of predictive text on my mobile and I type all of my notes into it so nobody has a clue what I'm doing..

Bows & genuflects in admiration :notworthy::notworthy::notworthy::notworthy::notwo rthy::notworthy::notworthy:

[Maldenman]

He told me he was worried about spies. (MI5 or MI6 I didn't ask):D


Hmm, that Rex Rattus has probably been sniffing around. ;)

Originally Posted by Rex_Rattus
He was one of the Cambridge Three of course. They also revealed the Fourth Man and the Fifth Man, but they never got the Sixth Man .... not yet anyway.

[Oggwyn Trench]

After taking a photo of Rasputins in Wellington (its as bad as it sounds) i was trailed round by one of those short stocky pit bull on 2 legs type characters , he never spoke but kept glaring at me , i just ignored him and carried on .
Interior shots i take with the camera phone despite the Mrs warning "your going to get your head kicked in one of these days" nice of her

[aleandhearty]

Interior shots i take with the camera phone despite the Mrs warning "your going to get your head kicked in one of these days" nice of her

Perhaps she needs to try anger management classes? :)

[Oggwyn Trench]

Perhaps she needs to try anger management classes? :)

Sitting in the Falcon , Chester on Saturday night a group of young ladies in micro skirts and 6 inch heels stood right in front of where we were sitting , i was very happy , the good lady less so , you should see the bruises on my ribs and shins ........ worth it though

[Arthurish]

Just think of the bruises you would have got if you had tried to take some pictures of them.

[ROBCamra]

Sitting in the Falcon , Chester on Saturday night a group of young ladies in micro skirts and 6 inch heels stood right in front of where we were sitting , i was very happy , the good lady less so , you should see the bruises on my ribs and shins ........ worth it though

I thought you claimed that it was the wife who wouldn't leave the Falcon.

Sounds like it might have been the other way round to me.:p

[Oggwyn Trench]

I thought you claimed that it was the wife who wouldn't leave the Falcon.

Sounds like it might have been the other way round to me.:p


:whistle::D:D

[Rex_Rattus]

[QUOTE=Maldenman;12438]Hmm, that Rex Rattus has probably been sniffing around. ;)

No, I don't think it was me. Had he compromised my cover I would have felt obliged to take extreme measures to preserve my anonymity.........

[Conrad]

And revive this thread having read this news:
Officers claim they don't need law to stop photographer taking pictures (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/officers-claim-they-dont-need-law-to-stop-photographer-taking-pictures-2012827.html)

[arwkrite]

Police officers still think they can make the Law up as they go along. People are far more aware of their rights under law these days thanks to publicity and the internet.That and the apparent poor training the Officers get in British Law these days. Misuse of their authority by these two policemen have made yet another person wary in future of Police intentions. Another P.R Disaster.

[Conrad]

I resisted commenting when I initially posted it. I watched the first couple of minutes of the video and was appalled at how poor the policemen involved were. I know the kid involved was being a twit, but it is so poor to hear a Policeman saying they don't need a law, and then apparently resorting to anti-terrorist laws.

Glad to say in my many interactions with Police I have been nothing but impressed, if I was being cynical I would point out I have never collided with the Met though.

[arwkrite]

The more they send Officers on Diversity Courses the more we seem to be allocated little boxes e.g Muslim = Terrorist.....Man = Pedophile....Person with Camera= Someone we can wind up . If you happen to be a Male Muslim with a Camera get the name of a good lawyer or nick the "Get out of jail free" card from a Monopoly set.

If the Budget Cuts go through we may be seeing less of them. That is unless they become wheel clampers or Parking Attendants.

[ROBCamra]

Not exactly photography but........

I was bowling for my local bowling club last night and we played against this pub, but at our green.

http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/19996/

After my game I was in our bar, along with about 10 others, buying my opponent a drink and mentioned that we'd been up to the Plough last weekend.

Another member of their team said "Did you go in The Harrows next door?"

http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/55903/

Yes, I said but we didn't like it at all and had a quick one and left.

Oh what was wrong with it he said.

I said "No real ale despite having 3 handpumps, cheap and nasty red wine and charging high prices for it and a really chavvy clientele with kids running around even on a Saturday night"

Oh he said, 'cos I'm the landlord, what do you say to that?

Ooooooooops! :o

What I actually said was "I don't see why that should change my mind, I'm just telling it as it was"

"Perhaps you need to think about it"

He got a bit frosty after that. :p

Good job that I didn't mention that I'd reviewed it on here. I've been back to the review and knocked him down a point for being a prat as well as running a poor pub. :D

[Conrad]

Damn you got in there with the edit. I was just about to joke that I hope you didn't mention PuG :)

Amusingly of course it may have just incentivised him to try and get some good reviews.

[trainman]

it may have just incentivised him to try and get some good reviews.




Oh he said, 'cos I'm the landlord, what do you say to that?

"Perhaps you need to think about it"



Nope, doesn't sound like someone who welcomes even constructive criticism. ROBC drinking fosters????? Call the cops!!

[ptg]

I don't like people taking photos and making notes - it doesn't bother me, but I just don't like it - but having never been a train spotter, plane spotter, or beer spotter, I probably can't understand - could be caused by me being younger than I should be to be a publican.

Nobody should be made to feel threatened over something as petty as a pub photo though - it's no big deal, and life goes on.. must be some pretty small minded people out there.

[arwkrite]

It is not only train spotters,pub spotters etc who scribble notes and take photographs which are in the main harmless.
The ones that bother me with a writing pad, pen and camera are those that peer into rubbish bins, put tickets on windscreens and the rest of the Town Hall mafia. They can really cause you some grief.
If I take a photo and pen a few words then rest assured you will not get a letter demanding money with nicely phrased legal menaces from me. ( However all donations will be gratefully received and drank with all due respect).

[Quinno]

As a snapper myself I've had the odd run-in, but these are nearly always at the rougher places and nearly always from the smokers outside.

Usually, I get some banter as the locals can see you from outside and if I take a pic before entering I get some gyp - the Duke of Wellington in Lichfield (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/34406/) last month for example. It usually is just a good laugh and in this case I got a free slice of pork pie :p

I guess it's a bit easier for me to be discrete as I use a neat little digital camera that takes a photo almost as good as a 'proper' one IMO. I can whip it out, snap away and be off within 30 seconds...

[Al 10000]

I have took photos of about 8 thousand pubs and have had a drink in every pub i have photographed,i have only had one real problem which was in Horwich (greater Manchester ) when i got followed down the main shopping street and a small tatooed bloke started shouting at me and asking why i had took a photo of his pub. His words: There are some dodgy goings on in this pub what are you up to and are you from the council. I replied i am on a pub crawl and showed him my rough book with about 700 pubs in it this made him happy and he walked off.:whistle:

[Strongers]

withdrawn once enlightened. :muppet:

[Farway]

This week I popped into my local, to find they have a new web site

Came home, looked it up, and found they have ripped off my copyright pictures, both from PuG & the toothy one, even worse the PuG one still has the PuG watermark on it, which was bit of a give away :muppet:

http://www.thegreendragonpub.co.uk/home

Alerted Conrad, then spoke to landlady, who was mortified, seems web site was done by a customer for a pint of Fosters :D

Upshot is, I will provide her with legit photos on a cd in exchange for a pint, or maybe two of Havant Started :glass:

The web builder was unfortunate in that it is my local & I spotted it

I just wonder how many of our pictures may have been ripped off without our knowledge ?

Personally if I post a picture on the web I expect it to be used freely by others at sometime, but would just like a polite ask before using it, I have Church pictures on a Family History site, and to be fair most ask for permission to use them, including a Vicar for a wedding service

[Conrad]

We have had a couple of incidents where people actually did bandwidth theft and just used the pictures straight off our site, that is always good for a laugh and has led to us displaying the wrong pictures on their page to amuse ourselves.

Another incident involved someone saying something along the lines of I have noticed that this person on Facebook is nicking all my pictures and they have taken a load of yours, what are you going to do about it. I suspect they weren't happy when we said nothing and were happy that the watermark was visible.

Far more positively though we have been contacted 3 times now to buy usage of the pictures, in each instance we have passed the person on, I think it is generally settled in good will or beer currency, but nice that there are principled people out there.

[Farway]

Far more positively though we have been contacted 3 times now to buy usage of the pictures, in each instance we have passed the person on, I think it is generally settled in good will or beer currency, but nice that there are principled people out there.


Ahh, this is an idea I like :)

maybe one for later time and wondering what to do next, but how about having some sort of note on PuG,, "If you want to use the pictures, please ask first"

[arwkrite]

The only time I copy photos found on the internet is when a fellow forum member ask a question that can only be answered by posting a photo. I did one on this forum recently.
Giving a link if I think the website will give more information is also a choice. So many photo images can be gleaned from a Google search. The least you can do is give the name of the photographer.But all this would be for information only not for financial gain.

[Conrad]

Ahh, this is an idea I like :)

maybe one for later time and wondering what to do next, but how about having some sort of note on PuG,, "If you want to use the pictures, please ask first"
I have had it in mind to set up some sort of email the owner interface to request permission. As with all these you want the minimum risk of abusing the owner though. We have for a while now kept the original images and have the ability to mail them back out to the owner which is another toy I would like to add.


The only time I copy photos found on the internet is when a fellow forum member ask a question that can only be answered by posting a photo. I did one on this forum recently.
Giving a link if I think the website will give more information is also a choice. So many photo images can be gleaned from a Google search. The least you can do is give the name of the photographer.But all this would be for information only not for financial gain.
Where I nick pictures, which clearly happens when messing on forums, I try to link back to the location I have ripped off so that they get the credit for their image.

[RogerB]

On the subject of photos, nice to see this old chestnut is still giving people grief!

http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/21/2100/Old_Shades/Whitehall

[Conrad]

On the subject of photos, nice to see this old chestnut is still giving people grief!

http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/21/2100/Old_Shades/Whitehall
If we are taking this tack, I always felt this was one of their more special efforts:

http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/35/35424/Dunalley_Street_Bar/Cheltenham

[trainman]

This week I popped into my local, to find they have a new web site

Came home, looked it up, and found they have ripped off my copyright pictures, both from PuG & the toothy one, even worse the PuG one still has the PuG watermark on it, which was bit of a give away :muppet:


And they managed to make one of them considerably blurry, compared to the copy on PG. Also serious apostrophe abuse in the 'gallery' narrative.

[Conrad]

And they managed to make one of them considerably blurry, compared to the copy on PG. Also serious apostrophe abuse in the 'gallery' narrative.
That one had to have been nicked from Google I think, as opposed to directly off us, another good reason to get them straight from Farway, far higher quality.

[trainman]

If we are taking this tack, I always felt this was one of their more special efforts:

Is that himself? Looks a little like the 'shot' shot which used to be an avatar of someone not drinking beer, and 2 comments from (ex)inner circle.

[Conrad]

Is that himself? Looks a little like the 'shot' shot which used to be an avatar of someone not drinking beer, and 2 comments from (ex)inner circle.
Yep.

[Strongers]

I always thought this one (http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/24/24679/Porters_Lodge/Monument)had that added extra effort - complete with ladbrokes casino pop-up!

[Conrad]

Ah that photographer has sadly gone to town on our site (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubpictures/23544/), one for one of our photo-prioritisers to enjoy I guess.

[ROBCamra]

Ah that photographer has sadly gone to town on our site (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubpictures/23544/), one for one of our photo-prioritisers to enjoy I guess.

Enjoyed and prioritised. ;)

[RogerB]

And then there was...

http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/31/31781/Test_11/Gloucestershire

I just couldn't resist reviewing it!

[Evil Gazebo]

And then there was...

http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/31/31781/Test_11/Gloucestershire

I just couldn't resist reviewing it!

Applause

[Oggwyn Trench]

And then there was...

http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/31/31781/Test_11/Gloucestershire

I just couldn't resist reviewing it!

Did`nt realise the flooding had been that bad

[ROBCamra]

And then there was...

http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/31/31781/Test_11/Gloucestershire

I just couldn't resist reviewing it!

Here's a perfect example of how well moderated a certain site is. :eek:

http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/comments.shtml/4320/

[Delboy20]

My god - that is like a foriegn language. Do people actually talk like that ??

What the hell are undercrackers you cockjock ??

[RogerB]

Here's a perfect example of how well moderated a certain site is. :eek:

http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/comments.shtml/4320/

I've been having a quiet giggle over this one for the past few days! A great advert for the pub, the customers and BITE.

[Quinno]

I've been having a quiet giggle over this one for the past few days! A great advert for the pub, the customers and BITE.

oh.my.god.

What a mess that place is in. He's ruined it. :sick:

I wonder what the original crowd who designed the site think of it now.....?

It's sad, really.

[arwkrite]

Well he was warned what could happen and Lo it has.
Only visit now when one of you pick out a juicy bit, better things than wade through mud.

[RogerB]

Well he was warned what could happen and Lo it has.

But it's still our fault!

[Quinno]

But it's still our fault!

:D:D:D:D

[Conrad]

Well he was warned what could happen and Lo it has.
Only visit now when one of you pick out a juicy bit, better things than wade through mud.
I thought you were going for a haiku for a moment there.

[Strongers]

But it's still our fault!

If the site was like it is now when I joined in 2006 I wouldn't have bothered and probably wouldn't be commenting on pubs now.

[Gann]

I've been having a quiet giggle over this one for the past few days! A great advert for the pub, the customers and BITE.

Yep me too, as it's one of my work ones. I guess I should update my PuG review to include the description 'SHIT HOLE!' to be in keeping with the current batch of locals..

As mentioned a sad inditement on 'the Dark side' especially as the trolls are now blatantly taking the piss!.

I had to laugh at 'Moderater my a**e!' which is quality on so many gramatical levels..

BR,

Steve

[arwkrite]

I thought you were going for a haiku for a moment there.

hai·ku

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–noun, plural -ku for 2. 1. a major form of Japanese verse, written in 17 syllables divided into 3 lines of 5, 7, and 5 syllables, and employing highly evocative allusions and comparisons, often on the subject of nature or one of the seasons.

2. a poem written in this form.

Yes Conrad I did have to look that one up, though I did wonder if you were referring to some sort of Sushi dish.

Now will some one explain it to me in moronic terms?.....Second thoughts ...lifes too short.

[Conrad]

At least you didn't come back with 'Bless You' which I think is the more standard response.

A Haiku is just a tarts Japanese poem that has ridiculous rules about how it is written (my disdain stems from my complete inability with English let alone adding more rules to it ;) ).

[Pubsignman]

Get your daily, beer-related haiku fix here:

http://www.beerhaikudaily.com/



or not...

[Farway]

And they managed to make one of them considerably blurry, compared to the copy on PG. Also serious apostrophe abuse in the 'gallery' narrative.

Ah, thanks for that. Seems to be a common error there, they have a banner up [supplied by pubco] about selection of real ale's

I will point out the abuse next time I'm in, already told them about the banner, which now niggles landlady as she looks [or is that look's?] at it every day

[Evil Gazebo]

Get your daily, beer-related haiku fix here:

http://www.beerhaikudaily.com/



or not...

Writing about beer
In seventeen syllables
Is very diffic

[Dave M]

Writing about beer
In seventeen syllables
Is very diffic

:D

Evil Gazebo
I just have to say to you
Best. Haiku. Ever.

[Pubsignman]

Writing about beer
In seventeen syllables
Is very diffic

John Cooper Clarke?

[Evil Gazebo]

John Cooper Clarke?

Indeed, pinched the idea from the great man.

[runningdog]

Here's a perfect example of how well moderated a certain site is. :eek:
Glad to see nothing's changed: lol: :drinkup::drinkup::drinkup:

[trainman]

hai·ku17 syllables divided into 3 lines of 5, 7, and 5 syllables


Yes Conrad I did have to look that one up, though I did wonder if you were referring to some sort of Sushi dish.



So;
Yes Conrad I did
Have to look that up, though I
Wondered 'bout Sushi...

[Maldenman]

I was yelled at the other day by a large woman smoking outside The Coronation Halls in Surbiton who accused me of taking a picture of her. She clearly hadn't looked in a mirror recently. :rolleyes:

[RogerB]

I was yelled at the other day by a large woman smoking outside The Coronation Halls in Surbiton who accused me of taking a picture of her. She clearly hadn't looked in a mirror recently. :rolleyes:

Fom the description it just could, and I emphasise could, have been my Sister in Law but probably not!

[Strongers]

I like pizza I
Like bagels I like hotdogs
with mustard and beer

(Homer J going all oriental)

[Maldenman]

Fom the description it just could, and I emphasise could, have been my Sister in Law but probably not!

:D When I say yelled it was more of a screech if that helps the ID process!

[ptg]

Just an addition to this - to those of you that do photograph pubs, how do you go about it? Do you tell the landlord your intentions? I had a bloke last week sit down, wait until nobody was looking, take his shot (with full flash) and put the camera back in his bag so fast he made himself look suspect, rousing a few eyebrows from our baffled locals (and me); I'm assuming is was a pub enthusiast rather than a chancer taking a photo of one of our regular's kids but with no communication, who's to say.

[Maldenman]

Just an addition to this - to those of you that do photograph pubs, how do you go about it? Do you tell the landlord your intentions? I had a bloke last week sit down, wait until nobody was looking, take his shot (with full flash) and put the camera back in his bag so fast he made himself look suspect, rousing a few eyebrows from our baffled locals (and me); I'm assuming is was a pub enthusiast rather than a chancer taking a photo of one of our regular's kids but with no communication, who's to say.

I rarely if ever take pictures inside the pub, mainly for the sort of reasons you hint at, I just don't want people to get the wrong idea. Where I have though I always ask permission and ensure that there are no unwilling participants in the photo.

[RogerB]

It depends on the circumstances. If a pub is empty I may sneak a couple in on my phone. I never use a flash - you can always adjust the light/contrast digitally afterwards and come up with a decent enough picture. Conversely, if a pub is packed I find it less intrusive as so many people take photos these days anyway I don't think it looks out of place although you end up with photos of people more than the pub.

[ptg]

I'd have no objections to it - if we were in the loop. We're a friendly pub, but do have a couple of reformed customers who still exhibit a little bit of paranoia, and I'd rather be able to diffuse them (and probably talk them in to posing/moving out of the way) than have to drag them off of someone who's seemingly taking a photo for no reason. With the fella I'm talking about, the flash drew attention to him, and the way he acted did him no favours.

I'd quite like someone who could take some decent interior shots of the pub that could send me a copy in return for letting them photograph it, it'd save the amateurish photos that usually end up on our website.

[Alesonly]

Last week whilst I was sitting in the Spoons one quiet afternoon a large group of very nice looking woman came in & sat at the large table in the middle of the bar so there was only them & me. When I looked up from reading my paper I noticed they were all comparing nice frilly Red & Black lacy underwear & Bras & Knickers I was very nearly tempted to sneak a few pictures in. :whistle: Oh thats underwear they had just brought not what they were wearing. Mind you the way they were dressed did not leave much to the imagination. :love:

[Farway]

I rarely take interiors, but if pub is fairly empty and I consider interior has some merit from a photography view point, I ask the publican, and I try & avoid anyone drinking

So far all publicans I asked have been more than happy for me to photograph inside, I always mention I will be uploading to PuG so maybe it helps. Some even volunteer extra information and a few offer to show me round, one even bought me drink [but it was an Open Day, I suspect they thought I was real "press"]

But as I look like a harmless old git I could assume they may be humouring me until the ambulance & straight jacket arrives :eek:

[arwkrite]

If no one is about then snap it but asking don't cost anything and humour can get you a long way.. An interior shot should be just that and not a line up of boozy customers. I do not use flash, just stick it on the table and let the gizmos sort out the exposure.
The Publicans probably have me slated like Farway, a candidate for care in the community and thankfully only armed with a camera and not a Japanese sword or a shotgun.

[gillhalfpint]

All this makes me feel a little nervous about taking photos as I have not asked about exterior shots and rarely for interior ones - only if there are only a few in and I am being looked at by the publican. These days of camera photos all over, I accepted it as probably the norm that photos get taken in pubs these days, so have never worried if I want to take a shot of a bar or a range of pumps etc. My old digital camera needs to be set on night setting inside for me to even get a decent shot, so I probably look ever so conspicuous taking my shots as I am usually cursing the camera while taking the photos.

[arwkrite]

If entering an area known to be perhaps a little troublesome there is nothing wrong in doing the sensible thing and taking along a friend or two as back up.410

[RogerB]

If entering an area known to be perhaps a little troublesome there is nothing wrong in doing the sensible thing and taking along a friend or two as back up.410

There are some places I wouldn't photograph if I had Robocop, the Terminator and the entire US Pacific Fleet alongside me.

[Lady Grey]

Hi there, I'm new to Pubs Galore and this forum. I had a slightly unnerving experience with photographing a pub last week. I was taking some exterior shots of the pub - from across the road and from the pavement. I wanted to take some interior shots, so I waited for opening time, I went to the bar and ordered a drink. The Barmaid asked me why I had been taking pictures of the pub, To be honest I was flummoxed because I've not been doing this very long. I eventually managed to say that I was photographing the pub because so many are closing these days. She seemed suspicious of my motives.
I took my courage in my hands and asked if I could photograph the interior, she refused, saying that the pub didn't belong to her. I quickly finished my drink and left.
The thing is, these people should be grateful, we are doing them a favour.

[Millay]

Welcome to Pubs Galore Lady Grey. We do indeed live in suspicious times when it seems everyone is deemed to have an ulterior motive for what we feel is perfectly normal behaviour. You could mention that you are collecting photos and information for a website that promotes pubs, but I'd not be surprised if that just leads to more suspicion. Some of my photos aren't particularly good as I've just managed a quick snap when there are no smokers or outside drinkers around, a 'drive by shooting' one might say. Interior shots are really about judging the sort of place you are in, and how many people are around. I always think it's rude to include people in interior shots and I hate it myself when someone else does it.

[ptg]

Could be paranoia, or could be justified.. From time to time the brewery send people out to photograph our place.. sometimes it's for signage companies, sometimes for car park companies... but one day it could be the estate agent.

[Wild Rover]

Over my two and a half years snapping I have not been involved in any major incidents apart from a brief altercation with a Bury Taxi driver accusing me of taking a photo of his licence plate.However a couple of weeks ago while trudging around Huddersfield on a wet Tuesday afternoon had a very interesting experience.
I was just about to take my next photo of a town centre pub I noticed in the corner of my eye, to the right of the pub a young lady leaning out of an upstairs window waving her arms frantically and yelling " Mr take me".She then proceeded to lift her top to reveal her mild and bitter.I then swiftly adjusted my camera to full zoom and duly obliged the young ladies request.
All of a sudden the day seemed to brighten up

Happy Snapping

[Evil Gazebo]

Over my two and a half years snapping I have not been involved in any major incidents apart from a brief altercation with a Bury Taxi driver accusing me of taking a photo of his licence plate.However a couple of weeks ago while trudging around Huddersfield on a wet Tuesday afternoon had a very interesting experience.
I was just about to take my next photo of a town centre pub I noticed in the corner of my eye, to the right of the pub a young lady leaning out of an upstairs window waving her arms frantically and yelling " Mr take me".She then proceeded to lift her top to reveal her mild and bitter.I then swiftly adjusted my camera to full zoom and duly obliged the young ladies request.
All of a sudden the day seemed to brighten up

Happy Snapping

*begins searching through all pictures of Huddersfield pubs*

[gillhalfpint]

hehe...wicked!!

[RogerB]

I was just about to take my next photo of a town centre pub I noticed in the corner of my eye, to the right of the pub a young lady leaning out of an upstairs window waving her arms frantically and yelling " Mr take me".She then proceeded to lift her top to reveal her mild and bitter.I then swiftly adjusted my camera to full zoom and duly obliged the young ladies request.
All of a sudden the day seemed to brighten up Happy Snapping

I think we need to see the evidence of this story!

[Wild Rover]

I will give you a clue to the location of the pub. It is in the town centre, and if you look on the roof you would have an idea what the pub is called without viewing the sign.

[Conrad]

Hi there, I'm new to Pubs Galore and this forum. ...
Hi Lady Grey,

Just a quick note to say hi and welcome to Pubs Galore. Myself and Dave M are the admins of the forum and the main site, so if you have any queries, problems or suggestions about the sites please do let us know.

Thanks for all your fine work improving Cheltenham a much neglected town on our system. We hope you enjoy your stay.

[Conrad]

Could be paranoia, or could be justified.. From time to time the brewery send people out to photograph our place.. sometimes it's for signage companies, sometimes for car park companies... but one day it could be the estate agent.
Hopefully you would be friendly about checking though.

It has been disconcerting hearing how threatening it can sometimes be and is never going to leave the photographer with a good impression of the pub. Whereas on the flipside where someone is friendly as you have been and asks for a copy of the picture it just leaves a good impression.

[Farway]

. Interior shots are really about judging the sort of place you are in, and how many people are around. I always think it's rude to include people in interior shots and I hate it myself when someone else does it.

I try and avoid photographing people when inside pubs, but I have had folk say they do not mind being in the picture, so I include them, like you say, it is a judgment call really, I can think of a few pubs where the only camera they see is the one in the local nick

[Strongers]

Quinno... Did the misses know you were actually taking a picture of the Ship (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/71827/) or was it a case of "just a bit to the left love, there's a bit of glare from the sun"?

[Lady Grey]

Hi Lady Grey,

Just a quick note to say hi and welcome to Pubs Galore. Myself and Dave M are the admins of the forum and the main site, so if you have any queries, problems or suggestions about the sites please do let us know.

Thanks for all your fine work improving Cheltenham a much neglected town on our system. We hope you enjoy your stay.

Thank you very much for the warm welcome, this is such a worthwhile project.

[RogerB]

...Cheltenham a much neglected town on our system...

You're not kidding - nearby Gloucester seems a bit threadbare as well. Even the McGraws don't appear to have ventured into this territory but I'm surprised some of you West Country folk haven't done the rounds. I would hazard a guess that there are some decent pubs beteen the 2 so I may earmark them for a long weekender when the sun comes out.

[hondo]

been to Cheltenham a couple of times for the horse racing festival but never in a fit state to review pubs

[arwkrite]

I have lived and worked in both Gloucester and Cheltenham though it was a while ago. They have good pubs and are photogenic places to visit. Sunday is probably the best day to go. The mid week traffic and looney one way systems were awful and I doubt it has improved much.

[NickDavies]

I have lived and worked in both Gloucester and Cheltenham though it was a while ago. They have good pubs and are photogenic places to visit. Sunday is probably the best day to go. The mid week traffic and looney one way systems were awful and I doubt it has improved much.

Here's (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=51.894729,-2.076631&spn=0.00576,0.0212&z=16&layer=c&cbll=51.894703,-2.076501&panoid=aSofCWpIK0s2DLRBaoOvHA&cbp=12,219.9,,0,6.51) a corner of Cheltenham.

[Lady Grey]

One of the posher parts of Cheltenham.

[Conrad]

I think displaying pub photography is a risky business. I have been involved in an email chain today accusing one of our members of stealing a photo.

Having satisfied myself that it was not the case I got a bit of a diatribe assuring me that their solicitor will be in touch, with the classic argument of:

"Two people managed to take the exact same image from the exact same spot???"

Hands up all those photographers who turn up to where they want to photograph, look at it in their minds eye and think, "today I am going to choose the second best location to take this picture, it would just be too perfectly framed if I went to that spot." :rolleyes:

[Maldenman]

I think displaying pub photography is a risky business. I have been involved in an email chain today accusing one of our members of stealing a photo.

Having satisfied myself that it was not the case I got a bit of a diatribe assuring me that their solicitor will be in touch, with the classic argument of:

"Two people managed to take the exact same image from the exact same spot???"

Hands up all those photographers who turn up to where they want to photograph, look at it in their minds eye and think, "today I am going to choose the second best location to take this picture, it would just be too perfectly framed if I went to that spot." :rolleyes:

I doubt any photo even taken from exactly the same spot could ever be the same, different weather, light conditions, extraneous matter like seasons, cars, passers by etc would affect this, as well as the sheer unlikeliness of someone taking the shot from the precise location at the same zoom/exposure conditions. Any claim like that if not genuine would easily be booted out surely?

[Rex_Rattus]

Yes, of course it's inevitable that two photographers will shoot the pub from the same place. The site's got photographers who take pictures from every angle of course, but my favourite, if I can do it, is the other side of the road directly opposite. And I've taken a picture of a pub where the only safe place to take the picture from is a traffic island in the middle of the road. And as pubs are pretty much static objects it stands to reason that occasionally they will look the same from one day to the next. But you knew all that of course.

[Conrad]

I doubt any photo even taken from exactly the same spot could ever be the same, different weather, light conditions, extraneous matter like seasons, cars, passers by etc would affect this, as well as the sheer unlikeliness of someone taking the shot from the precise location at the same zoom/exposure conditions. Any claim like that if not genuine would easily be booted out surely?
In fairness to the complainant it is ridiculously close. Points to pick out are certain objects in the foreground are obscuring the background slightly differently indicating a different photographer placement, shadows are ridiculously different indicating different time of day/weather/exposure, two signs overlap each other in different ways presumably laid in a different order and the the focal distance is different meaning you can read some of the background signs in ours. Otherwise though exactly the same windows open and plants hanging in the same direction it is spooky.

The complainant believes that any differences can be explained by photoshop and the improbability of photographers using the same location (if I understood the complaint, woolly talk required just in case it does end up being litigated).

[Al 10000]

When i went in the Trip to jerusalem last summer there was a bloke taking photos of the pub from different angles and of the sign i was just going in for a drink but if it was a new pub to me i would have taken a photo and it would have more than likely been from the same angle as the other person had taken it and with the same light and conditions.

I dont envy what you have to put up with running this site.

[Conrad]

I dont envy what you have to put up with running this site.
Amen to that :notworthy:

Thankfully it is compensated by having such a good community making it into a site.

[NickDavies]

I doubt any photo even taken from exactly the same spot could ever be the same, different weather, light conditions, extraneous matter like seasons, cars, passers by etc would affect this, as well as the sheer unlikeliness of someone taking the shot from the precise location at the same zoom/exposure conditions. Any claim like that if not genuine would easily be booted out surely?

I walk by the Albert Hall every morning. It must be the first sightseeing stop for the tourist coaches from the many local hotels. They all get off and queue to take a picture of the hall from one direction and and the memorial from the other. Then they get back on to get to Buckingham Palace in time for the changing of the guard. Of course this goes on at every tourist trap in the world.* Given that most of those pictures will be taken on a few different makes of compact digital camera - lots of models therein but the same software - all set to landscape/auto exposure/auto focus the chances of two people getting a near identical shot, even down to file length, are probably shorter than we might think.

However they'll never get the file's creation time the same however hard they try - and I would have thought anyone investigating this sort of plagiarism would start from there rather than trying to subjectively compare the images. Someone unable to provide the original file that came off the camera would not be making things easy for themselves.

* I must admit in this context I can't imagine a queue of people waiting to photograph, say, Edwards of Colchester.

[Conrad]

However they'll never get the file's creation time the same however hard they try - and I would have thought anyone investigating this sort of plagiarism would start from there rather than trying to subjectively compare the images. Someone unable to provide the original file that came off the camera would not be making things easy for themselves.
I feel a desperate urge to reply to this. My reply is an academic answer however and has no bearing on any case.

We do check this instantly and it is fantastic supporting evidence that allows us to make a quick determination. It is however easy to forge as it is effectively just text that you can replace with no changes to the image, so if you are presented with 2 identical images with different exif (the embedded text) messages then I know of no way of determining which is the original image assuming that the exif makes sense.

[NickDavies]

I feel a desperate urge to reply to this. My reply is an academic answer however and has no bearing on any case.

We do check this instantly and it is fantastic supporting evidence that allows us to make a quick determination. It is however easy to forge as it is effectively just text that you can replace with no changes to the image, so if you are presented with 2 identical images with different exif (the embedded text) messages then I know of no way of determining which is the original image assuming that the exif makes sense.

That didn't come out quite right and I didn't mean to imply that you were't doing it right - no I quite agree by the time something has got on a website any data about it is not conclusive. But if lawyers become involved the question would revolve around the original file that came off the camera, which would be rather more difficult to steal.

[Conrad]

That didn't come out quite right and I didn't mean to imply that you were't doing it right - no I quite agree by the time something has got on a website any data about it is not conclusive. But if lawyers become involved the question would revolve around the original file that came off the camera, which would be rather more difficult to steal.
Don't worry I assumed you weren't getting at us, but in general I felt I should explain what we did.

With regards to lawyers, I was always taught that once they are involved everyone loses except the lawyers, and never rely on a court to make the right decision. So sadly you have to listen to the wildest accusations, but even with that in mind, it is a rare case that isn't obvious when you have the 2 images in front of you and normally the embedded information is enough.

[Evil Gazebo]

Never mind all this talk of Exif and lawyers. This thread needs to get back to its key topic, ie Wild Rover’s tale of Huddersfield exhibitionism, and the subsequent lack of pictorial evidence.

:)

[Conrad]

Never mind all this talk of Exif and lawyers. This thread needs to get back to its key topic, ie Wild Rover’s tale of Huddersfield exhibitionism, and the subsequent lack of pictorial evidence.

:)
I'm afraid that may well bring us back to the talk of lawyers fairly quickly :p

[NickDavies]

Never mind all this talk of Exif and lawyers. This thread needs to get back to its key topic, ie Wild Rover’s tale of Huddersfield exhibitionism, and the subsequent lack of pictorial evidence.

:)

Talk of Huddersfield reminds me of this little poem:

In 'uddersfield, in 'uddersfield,
there were a cow as wouldn't yield.
The reason why she wouldn't yield?
She didn't like 'er udders feeled!

[Quinno]

Quinno... Did the misses know you were actually taking a picture of the Ship (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/71827/) or was it a case of "just a bit to the left love, there's a bit of glare from the sun"?

That's my sister! :)

She fancied being on the internet via her infamous older brother...

[Conrad]

Unfortunate conspiracy of posts there, a lovely limerick from Nick, followed by a post from Quinno with the first line "That's my sister!"

:whistle:

[Andy Ven]

Talk of Huddersfield reminds me of this little poem:

In 'uddersfield, in 'uddersfield,
there were a cow as wouldn't yield.
The reason why she wouldn't yield?
She didn't like 'er udders feeled!

"She were a right rum Yorkshire lass...but she liked her udders feeled" - that was the Macc Lads wasn't it!?

[Blackthorn]

"She were a right rum Yorkshire lass...but she liked her udders feeled" - that was the Macc Lads wasn't it!?

Possibly we shouldn't start quoting too many of their lyrics on this site. But I am curious about "The Old Bears Head". Was that a real pub?

[Bucking Fastard]

But I am curious about "The Old Bears Head". Was that a real pub?

I think it did exist and is now Kusch Bar (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/3685/).Al 1000 has posted a photo of when it was a Firkin pub,if you will pardon the pun, :whistle: but I believe before that it was The Bear's Head until 1994.However ,I never went in ,so more definitive evidence may be needed.

[Al 10000]

I think it did exist and is now Kusch Bar (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/3685/).Al 1000 has posted a photo of when it was a Firkin pub,if you will pardon the pun, :whistle: but I believe before that it was The Bear's Head until 1994.However ,I never went in ,so more definitive evidence may be needed.

The Firkin pub /Kusch bar was called the Bears Head i have just looked in the 1987 Cheshire Ale guide where it is listed under that name.

[Lady Grey]

What an absorbing past time pub photography is turning out to be! A lot of my conversation these days seems to revolve around the pubs I've photographed, I'm truly becoming a "pub bore" ;) I have come across an issue to do with the subject though. What is the general etiquette when photographing a pub's beer garden? Do you need permission for this?

[Maldenman]

What an absorbing past time pub photography is turning out to be! A lot of my conversation these days seems to revolve around the pubs I've photographed, I'm truly becoming a "pub bore" ;) I have come across an issue to do with the subject though. What is the general etiquette when photographing a pub's beer garden? Do you need permission for this?

I can't see why you need permission to take any photograph within sensible limits, however I generally take the view that to take a picture inside what is effectively someone's house it is only polite to ask. As for a beer garden I see no difference to any other photo apart from the good manners to try and keep other people and possibly car registrations out of the shot.

[Lady Grey]

Wise words indeed.

[Farway]

As per Maldenman, I find some pub gardens are in fact viewable and able to be photographed from public roads, so certainly no permission required for that, if there was the Google Earth is in big trouble :)

I "nearly" always ask indoors, sometimes grab the opportunity shot in empty bar, but never had any publican refuse when asked

Although never had any refusals I think if any one did object [old geezer taking photos of kiddies in garden for instance] then I would just leave it be

[Lady Grey]

Thanks for your feedback Maldenman and Farway.

[PaulOfHorsham]

On Friday's trip to north Kent, I got a shirty demand not to park in the car park if I wasn't going to have a drink inside. Fair enough, I suppose, but the manner of the comment had me thinking that the tatty pub exterior was likely to be replicated indoors and simply reinforced my desire to leave as soon as possible.

[Andy Ven]

What an absorbing past time pub photography is turning out to be!

There seems to be plenty in Cheltenham to keep you busy for now. Hope you don't mind but I took the liberty of defining the area 'Cheltenham Central'.

[Lady Grey]

Not at all. In fact I'm surprised at how many areas come under Cheltenham's postal district.

[Farway]

On Friday's trip to north Kent, I got a shirty demand not to park in the car park if I wasn't going to have a drink inside. Fair enough, I suppose, but the manner of the comment had me thinking that the tatty pub exterior was likely to be replicated indoors and simply reinforced my desire to leave as soon as possible.

I hope you managed to take photo of the tatty exterior anyway, if only to show it for what it is

I only once had question of parking & photo shoot, country pub, busy narrow no pavement country "A" road so no parking nearby [A32 FWIW], I used the pub car park. Did get questioned but once the magic words " posted on internet at PuG" all was forgiven

[PaulOfHorsham]

I hope you managed to take photo of the tatty exterior anyway, if only to show it for what it is

Did get a picture, but not published yet - seems others have already been in the area (including one contributor posting a photo of a pub I'd got on the very same day!)


I only once had question of parking & photo shoot, country pub, busy narrow no pavement country "A" road so no parking nearby [A32 FWIW], I used the pub car park. Did get questioned but once the magic words " posted on internet at PuG" all was forgiven

Thought it best to keep PuG out of the story, in order not to cause trouble any for Conrad & Dave (it really was that kind of attitude).

[Lady Grey]

Whilst on another photographic expedition this week, I decided to investigate a pub which I assumed had closed. I was delighted to discover that it was still open, so I began to photograph the exterior of the pub from across the road. I wanted to get some close up details of a sign on the wall of the pub, so I took the photo from the pavement outside the pub. An employee from the pub came over and asked what I was doing (she had noticed that I was taking photos) I explained that I was taking pictures for a website - Pubs Galore and that it was in a good cause. She said I should have asked permission before I photographed the pub. I apologised and and tried to explain that it was in a good cause. She asked if I had any identification on me - I told her that I was doing it voluntarily, I didn't linger for long after that. I have new photos of the pub, but I won't post them - there is an old photo already on the pub's page, it hasn't altered that much.

[oldboots]

She said I should have asked permission before I photographed the pub.

It is perfectly ok to take photographs of anything in or from a public place, no permission is required from anyone however paranoid they may be. Good job it wasn't me she approached or she'd have been on the wrong end of a right Yorkshire mouthful, the dozy tart.

[Conrad]

You're entirely correct ob, from my perspective though I wish it was you she had approached :evilgrin:.

Such a pity that anyone has to put up with that treatment. It does annoy me when people try and photograph me, and I will generally turn away or lift a hand, but if I see they are trying to photo the landscape, I will just wait or step out of their way, it is insane to moan about someone photographing a building :moremad:

[Lady Grey]

Good job it wasn't me she approached or she'd have been on the wrong end of a right Yorkshire mouthful, the dozy tart.

Blimey, is that some new type of real ale on the market? ;)

Seriously though, I don't seem to get hassled whilst photographing pubs in the centre of town- it's estate pubs that seem to have the issues. :confused:

[Rex_Rattus]

Have you got any of the Pubs galore "calling cards" Lady G? When I've been asked (although it hasn't happened to me in the confrontational way that you suffered) I've explained about the website, free publicity, etc and handed a card out so that if they want they can see the photos I've taken. I think it's helped a bit, plus it gives a bit of publicity for the site.

[Lady Grey]

That sounds like a fantastic idea - how can I get some?

[Rex_Rattus]

That sounds like a fantastic idea - how can I get some?

I suggest that you PM Conrad with your address.

[Wild Rover]

Sorry you are having a few early teething problems Lady Grey with your pub photos but think i have found an answer to eliminate any more aggro. Purchase the ultimate Austin Powers spy kit complete with a bow tie camera for the gents, and a fashionable ladies handbag with a camera concealed in the strap.Both are excellent tools when visiting a more challenging area of a city.(only joking,and i wish you many happy years of pub snappng)

[Conrad]

That sounds like a fantastic idea - how can I get some?
As pointed out if you PM me your address I will send you a case of business cards promoting Pubs Galore, something we are always happy to send out :).

If you want more info there is chat about (rather obscurely) in the What Makes PuG good? (http://forums.pubsgalore.co.uk/showthread.php?4410-What-makes-PuG-good&p=30415) thread.

[Maldenman]

I took a photo of this place the other day. http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/35950/ Unbeknown to me the bloke sitting outside drinking coffee turned out to be the owner who enquired why I was photographing his pub. I told him I was updating for the site and handed him a card. He was fine about it and enquired about whether he could post about what he intends to do with the place. Naturally I advised him he could (although I did suggest he declares himself as who he is).

As an aside, in http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/search.php?search=Eagle+Ale+House there is an advert suggesting people post comments on the dark side....although it is in the gents. I left a couple more behind the bar and suggested they put one up somewhere too.

[Lady Grey]

As pointed out if you PM me your address I will send you a case of business cards promoting Pubs Galore, something we are always happy to send out :).


As good as done.

[Conrad]

As good as done.
Thanks I will post those next week and let you know when they are sent.

[Andy Ven]

Sorry you are having a few early teething problems Lady Grey with your pub photos but think i have found an answer to eliminate any more aggro. Purchase the ultimate Austin Powers spy kit complete with a bow tie camera for the gents, and a fashionable ladies handbag with a camera concealed in the strap.Both are excellent tools when visiting a more challenging area of a city.(only joking,and i wish you many happy years of pub snappng)

Or... don't bother going to church on a Sunday morning. Get up early and photograph loads of pubs before they open and the smokers spoil the view ;)

[Lady Grey]

Church?!

[Oggwyn Trench]

Church?!

Church http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/32063/

[gillhalfpint]

http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/57324/

Been to this church a few times, but not on a Sunday.

[Andy Ven]

Church?!

You know, that building you have to leave the pub for to go to a wedding before resuming your imbibement.

Pubs have their roots in the church, you know.

Here's a handy combination to minimise time wasting: http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/42474/

[Lady Grey]

Some excellent recommendations and reviews - Mr Trench, Ms Pint and Mr Ven. Now that's my kind of church.

[Andy Ven]

I'm inspired to start a new thread....

[arwkrite]

Lady Grey , I like your avatar. I use the same on a B'ham history forum. A plaque on the wall of a local pub supplied my photo. Some one commented that it looked like a goblins house. Plenty of the plaques survive in Herefordshire.

[Lady Grey]

Thank you for that, the West Country Plaques are such an iconic feature of pubs in our respective locations, many of them survive in Cheltenham. I'm pleased that some of our local pubs that have closed and become different businesses, still have the plaque in situ. Unfortunatley, some of the plaques have been stolen during redevelopment, I wish people wouldn't do this, they are part of our heritege.

[Lady Grey]

Thanks I will post those next week and let you know when they are sent.

The cards arrived this morning - fantastic.

[Maldenman]

I met one today, of the "why are you taking a photo of my pub" type. It's private property, need permission, yawn, yawn. Anyway, I told him in no uncertain terms how it is, and also let him know that thanks to his boring tirade, he now has one less customer. :muppet:

http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/35603/

[Farway]

I met one today, of the "why are you taking a photo of my pub" type. It's private property, need permission, yawn, yawn. Anyway, I told him in no uncertain terms how it is, and also let him know that thanks to his boring tirade, he now has one less customer. :muppet:

http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/35603/

Nice one, it is strange that some folk feel they have right of censorship over what is legal from a public viewpoint, such as a pavement opposite a pub

Maybe point them to Google Streetview if they really have loads of money & are looking for a legal fight?

[AdrianPatrick]

While the owner of the premises has the legal right to refuse permission to allow even external photographs being taken, it is amazingly short sighted to do so in the modern age. ...Unless they have something to hide of course.

With social networking and Google maps currently changing the lives and habits of smartphone users, the greater the the web presence - especially through the spread of images - the more prominence is given to their business over their competition.

Far from objecting, landlords ought to be embracing and encouraging such practice!

I take photos in and around pubs all of the time as I illustrate pub chalkboards and keep a record of my work, and I often sense nervousness from the client, and sometimes customers too.

I feel it's mainly due to being loss of control over the venue's public image. But in this age, those that don't encourage photos, reviews, facebook 'check-ins' etc, are the venues that will become boarded up over the coming years!

[NickDavies]

While the owner of the premises has the legal right to refuse permission to allow even external photographs being taken, it is amazingly short sighted to do so in the modern age. ...Unless they have something to hide of course.



Out of interest, which bit of statute law allows you to refuse permission to take photographs of the outside of your premises? Indeed the implication is therefore that permission must be sought in the first place.

[Conrad]

While the owner of the premises has the legal right to refuse permission to allow even external photographs being taken, it is amazingly short sighted to do so in the modern age. ...Unless they have something to hide of course.

With social networking and Google maps currently changing the lives and habits of smartphone users, the greater the the web presence - especially through the spread of images - the more prominence is given to their business over their competition.

Far from objecting, landlords ought to be embracing and encouraging such practice!

I take photos in and around pubs all of the time as I illustrate pub chalkboards and keep a record of my work, and I often sense nervousness from the client, and sometimes customers too.

I feel it's mainly due to being loss of control over the venue's public image. But in this age, those that don't encourage photos, reviews, facebook 'check-ins' etc, are the venues that will become boarded up over the coming years!
Hi Adrian,

I have just posted in your other thread, but this seemed a more appropriate place to welcome you to Pubs Galore. Myself and Dave M are the admins of the site, so if you have any problems, queries or suggestions for improvement do please feel free to tell us.

Hope you enjoy your stay.

[Conrad]

Out of interest, which bit of statute law allows you to refuse permission to take photographs of the outside of your premises? Indeed the implication is therefore that permission must be sought in the first place.
I don't know the actual facts of this, but I do know that you can get your pictures removed at request from Google Streetview, and as this has proved so popular in Germany Google are not bothering to send the cars round any more.

I am a strong believer in privacy, but it is a great pity to see people so concerned about stopping imagery of any building.

[AdrianPatrick]

Out of interest, which bit of statute law allows you to refuse permission to take photographs of the outside of your premises? Indeed the implication is therefore that permission must be sought in the first place.

Hi Nick,

Gosh I don't know much about the specifics, but I think most people are aware that indiviuals own the copyright to their own physical image. As far as I am aware the same is also true in this country for businesses and institutions; The business owner holds the copyright to the venue's physical image. While permission technically needs to be sought I doubt very much anyone would be prosecuted for photographing pubs!

I don't know much about the specific statute or case law, but I learned a little a few years ago when I began painting portraits of famous people. Artists do ocassionally get cease and desists.

My main point is simply that for any business which relies so heavily on promoting public awareness of its location and services, any objection would surely be misguided. Landlords and pub companies are my main clients and I spend a great deal of time pushing this very case.

[NickDavies]

http://www.sirimo.co.uk/2009/05/14/uk-photographers-rights-v2/ seems to be a pretty good account of things.

Copyright: Copyright applies to an photograph or other image of a person or object, not the person or object itself. The owner of the copyright is the owner of the picture, not the person or object depicted. It's what happens when you publish the picture that is the question.

[AdrianPatrick]

Yes that's generally the main application of copyright, but it does include the person or building aswell, even though I am sure I would have little success in persuing legal action if anyone took my photo! Since the face of a pub's building is a created object, that too would come under copyright.

But yes, unless you were using their image for commercial reasons I doubt there is a single thing legally that they could do about it. The legal right to protect their own image is really just there in principle.

But it is the reason why a lot of council webcams have been disabled in public places; people own the copyright to their own likeness just as McDonalds owns the copyright to their restaurant facias.

[Farway]

Sorry Adrain but you are completely wrong about people owning the copyrights to faces / buildings, they do not, the photogapher does

Providing the photographer is in a public place, like pavement opposite a pub, then taking photo is not against any law (http://www.urban75.org/photos/photographers-rights-streets-buildings.html), plus some advice to plod who does not know the law (http://www.met.police.uk/about/photography.htm) from the Met
Members of the public and the media do not need a permit to film or photograph in public places and police have no power to stop them filming or photographing incidents or police personnel

Of course, as mentioned often on this thread, common sense must prevail, if you shove a zoom lens up someone nose then they have every right to object, or if you are threatened with a slapping then disist

But, to reiterate it is not illegal to take photos in public of anything visible from a public place [MoD / airports may invoke anti - terrorism, incorrectly]

[Farway]

But it is the reason why a lot of council webcams have been disabled in public places; people own the copyright to their own likeness just as McDonalds owns the copyright to their restaurant facias.

Again not true about copyright Adrian, the reason they have been disabled [apart from money] is Data Protection Act (http://www.ico.gov.uk/for_the_public/topic_specific_guides/cctv.aspx), if you have data on a person, as CCTV is classified, then the person has a legal right to see that data, ie look at footage. This has become a hornets nest for councils as often they just do not have the means comply, hence turn cameras off


PS, welcome to PuG Adrian, I and Nick are not having a go at you about copyright, honest, as you will find PuG is a friendly place occupied by normal reasonable folk, Having looked at your web site I realise how copyright is bit of a sore point with you

[AdrianPatrick]

Well I'm not a legal expert.

I'd just be polite and ask first if the landlord is about rather than argue the point with them. When I use a model, I have to obtain a release form from them which provides me with license to use their image. So although McDonalds will say they own their image, they probably mean you can photograph them from a public place, but would just have certain legal rights over the use of the image. Thanks for the link that helps!

I'm sure you are right.

[Farway]

pS added to my post after your reply

PS, welcome to PuG Adrian, I and Nick are not having a go at you about copyright, honest, as you will find PuG is a friendly place occupied by normal reasonable folk, Having looked at your web site I realise how copyright is bit of a sore point with you

[AdrianPatrick]

Again not true about copyright Adrian, the reason they have been disabled [apart from money] is Data Protection Act (http://www.ico.gov.uk/for_the_public/topic_specific_guides/cctv.aspx), if you have data on a person, as CCTV is classified, then the person has a legal right to see that data, ie look at footage. This has become a hornets nest for councils as often they just do not have the means comply, hence turn cameras off

That makes sense.

It was the CCTV webcam in Cleveleys that carried the copyright explanation. Data protection certainly seems a more legitimate reason.

[AdrianPatrick]

pS added to my post after your reply

PS, welcome to PuG Adrian, I and Nick are not having a go at you about copyright, honest, as you will find PuG is a friendly place occupied by normal reasonable folk, Having looked at your web site I realise how copyright is bit of a sore point with you

Sorry just seen this - no offence taken re copyright issues of course - And thanks for the welcome!

[Conrad]

Wow I go out for lunch and find all these in the mail box, I was preparing to write a "Calm down Dear" message but it looks like even that bit has passed :)

As I understand it with the web cameras it is generally a freedom of information thing, which with is a godawful nightmare, and a good reason not to store data :whistle:. It is a constant consideration with this site, and one of the reasons we try to keep the audit trails so well and so visible (although we do regard it as just good practice as well).

As to the copyright stuff I believe the issues start coming in if you make a profit out of the image, profiting off a likeness, so as Farway has commented I can only imagine what a nightmare doing portrait work is.

[Andy Ven]

What an absorbing past time pub photography is turning out to be! A lot of my conversation these days seems to revolve around the pubs I've photographed, I'm truly becoming a "pub bore" ;) I have come across an issue to do with the subject though. What is the general etiquette when photographing a pub's beer garden? Do you need permission for this?

What are you going to do when you've populated Cheltenham? (I only started on a mission to fill in the photo gaps in Walsall)

[Lady Grey]

That is an excellent question, it does concern me. I might take the odd diversion into other parts of Gloucestershire that are lacking in photos. I do hope to carry on with it though, it's one of the most interesting projects that I've done.

[Maldenman]

Stroud needs a helping hand! :whistle:

[Andy Ven]

There are things we take for granted today but when we look back at street views etc, including pubs, from 10, 20 years ago it's fascinating how things move on and change but do so incrementally so we don't really notice.

Keep it up, LG. Besides being a very useful reference source for now I hope you'll look back at these photos one day and appreciate that you've created a record for the archives that might not otherwise be available.

[Lady Grey]

Stroud needs a helping hand! :whistle:

Ah yes Stroud, I know it well nice town. Think I'll take my camera with me, the next time I visit.

I agree that what we are doing is providing a fasinating record for future generations to marvel at (or recoil at in some cases!). I wish I had taken more photos of pubs several years back, when I was out and about with the camera.

[Farway]

I agree that what we are doing is providing a fasinating record for future generations to marvel at (or recoil at in some cases!). I wish I had taken more photos of pubs several years back, when I was out and about with the camera.

So true, many a time I visited to take photos of a church . gravestones [genealogy] but ignored the pubs, now no longer, any pub is fair game to me & camera, just this weekend I was on Dart river cruise, was I looking for seals & otters?, Well sort of, but the Floating Bridge Inn (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/7827/) was one of the grab shots in passing

[arwkrite]

To quote a T shirt I have seen somewhere " I am a photographer NOT a terrorist ".

There are far to many busy bodies about thinking they have "rights" which do not exist. Law is a difficult subject which even the Police appear to be ignorant of but lets not go down that road.
So many companies such as MacDonalds spend millions promoting a brand that is instantly recognizable. The brave souls who venture forth with only a camera and a strange desire to photograph pubs are providing a free publicity service to these ungrateful landlords. It makes you wonder what they may be trying to hide and from whom. Pubs , Inns and Hotels have been a staple for photographers since the invention of the portable camera. Picture books of local history are full of such photos. I love'em. Bearded old codgers with hobnail boots sitting outside rundown pubs now known for expensive food and ale.
If you feel nervous buy a good zoom lens or a good pair of running shoes but keep on snapping. Sod the lot of them.

[Andy Ven]

If you feel nervous buy a good zoom lens or a good pair of running shoes but keep on snapping. Sod the lot of them.

Like it!

I wonder if anyone went chasing after Google Streetview cars waving their fists?

[Farway]

Like it!

I wonder if anyone went chasing after Google Streetview cars waving their fists?

I doubt any one really noticed them, just a plain car or van with a "thingy" going round on the roof. As it was all new at the time and the Daily Wail had not clocked what was going on until after the event there was no hornets' nest to stir up

[Conrad]

I doubt any one really noticed them, just a plain car or van with a "thingy" going round on the roof. As it was all new at the time and the Daily Wail had not clocked what was going on until after the event there was no hornets' nest to stir up
They are fairly visible and heavily branded, I saw them at least once going round Bristol.

You may be right about no one knowing what they were though, as I work closely with that stuff it is hard to know how much others are aware of.

Actually, having just checked, maybe they are not as heavily branded as I was thinking:
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[Wild Rover]

A couple of weeks ago in a more quieter part of Warwick i was just in the process of taking my final pub photo of the day,when a chap walked passed and casually remarked if i had read the notice on the nearby lamppost.I told him i had not, and to humour the man thought i would give the paper a quick perusal, which must admit was all Greek to me.At this point i felt a tap on my shoulder and after turning round was confronted by a large,rotund sort of fellow who asked if i was from the council and demanding answers.It was not long before i was surrounded by quite a few irate residents bombarding me with questions creating a slightly intimidating atmosphere.I explained the situation about pub photos,and even my broad Lancashire accent did not deter them.However my day was saved when i produced my trusty pubs galore printer map,and very soon the conversation turned to the decline of the British pub.A couple of the group offered there apologies,and at this point handed them a couple of PG business cards and made a hasty retreat in the direction of Warwick Castle.

It would be a definite advantage for any new would be snappers to attend a risk assessment course.

[ETA]

A couple of weeks ago in a more quieter part of Warwick i was just in the process of taking my final pub photo of the day,when a chap walked passed and casually remarked if i had read the notice on the nearby lamppost.I told him i had not, and to humour the man thought i would give the paper a quick perusal, which must admit was all Greek to me.At this point i felt a tap on my shoulder and after turning round was confronted by a large,rotund sort of fellow who asked if i was from the council and demanding answers.It was not long before i was surrounded by quite a few irate residents bombarding me with questions creating a slightly intimidating atmosphere.I explained the situation about pub photos,and even my broad Lancashire accent did not deter them.However my day was saved when i produced my trusty pubs galore printer map,and very soon the conversation turned to the decline of the British pub.A couple of the group offered there apologies,and at this point handed them a couple of PG business cards and made a hasty retreat in the direction of Warwick Castle.

So what did the sign on the lamppost say?

[Wild Rover]

Although i only read halfway down the notice,according to the local residents there is a chance of the pub being demolished.

[Rex_Rattus]

Ah, they thought you were from the Council's Planning Department! Dodgy characters all of them - unlike at least one Building Control official I know - so I don't see how you could have been mistaken for one. It could have been worse - they might have mistaken you for a developer!!

[Maldenman]

Ah, they thought you were from the Council's Planning Department! Dodgy characters all of them - unlike at least one Building Control official I know - so I don't see how you could have been mistaken for one. It could have been worse - they might have mistaken you for a developer!!

Yep, we don't fanny around for weeks, I could've declared it a Dangerous Structure and had it demolished there and then!

Mm.....making friends wherever he goes. :evilgrin:

[AlanH]

I always use a mobile phone for taking pub pictures so they can guess I'm not a developer or from the council. If anyone approaches, I just put it up to my ear, start talking away and walk off.

[sheffield hatter]

If anyone approaches, I just put it up to my ear, start talking away and walk off.

Chicken!:)

[Maldenman]

A touch related to this thread, but to do with pub photos. When out and about I will tend to photograph pubs and later add them to the site. However, if my photo offers nothing new, or is identical more or less to another I won't bother. Lately I have noticed photos being added and accepted that add nothing new, doesn't this clutter up the site and add no new information?

[Quinno]

A touch related to this thread, but to do with pub photos. When out and about I will tend to photograph pubs and later add them to the site. However, if my photo offers nothing new, or is identical more or less to another I won't bother. Lately I have noticed photos being added and accepted that add nothing new, doesn't this clutter up the site and add no new information?

Not necessarily - as they are date stamped it tells people how the pub last looked when one of us pottered past. And it also means we aren't stuck with a static photo that's impossible to change *thinks back to BITE*

It also means that anyone can 'have a go' at submitting pictures, which is important to get more contributors onto the site; we don't want to make it look like a closed shop. However where there are 10+ photos it might be useful to try and grade them so the 'better' ones pop up more often. But I think we've had this conversation before and I know what the answer will be!

[Lady Grey]

A couple of weeks ago in a more quieter part of Warwick i was just in the process of taking my final pub photo of the day,when a chap walked passed and casually remarked if i had read the notice on the nearby lamppost.I told him i had not, and to humour the man thought i would give the paper a quick perusal, which must admit was all Greek to me.At this point i felt a tap on my shoulder and after turning round was confronted by a large,rotund sort of fellow who asked if i was from the council and demanding answers.It was not long before i was surrounded by quite a few irate residents bombarding me with questions creating a slightly intimidating atmosphere.I explained the situation about pub photos,and even my broad Lancashire accent did not deter them.However my day was saved when i produced my trusty pubs galore printer map,and very soon the conversation turned to the decline of the British pub.A couple of the group offered there apologies,and at this point handed them a couple of PG business cards and made a hasty retreat in the direction of Warwick Castle.

It would be a definite advantage for any new would be snappers to attend a risk assessment course.

Yikes, what a hair raising tale. I like the idea of a risk assesment course, how about a combat and assault course as well? ;)

[hondo]

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/899005-photographers-starting-to-fight-back-against-excessive-security-measures

[Andy Ven]

Wikipedia's explanation of the law about photography in public places seems clear enough to me http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photography_and_the_law : "In general, under the law of the United Kingdom one cannot prevent photography of private property from a public place, and in general the right to take photographs on private land upon which permission has been obtained is similarly unrestricted" .

So my interpretation is that the pub car park is private property so you could legitimately be asked not to take photographs from there but the pavement is public land so the publican has no legal means to stop you - unless you're up a big stepladder and photographing the bedrooms with a long range lens ;) .

[AlanH]

I had just taken 2 or 3 photos of Arnold's Bar & Grill (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/77484/) to add to the site before going in to have a drink. After being served, a 2nd man appeared from the back room, marched over to me and said "CAN I HELP YOU?" in a much louder voice than someone wanting to serve me. I said, "No thanks, I've been served," and took a sip of my drink. He said, "BUT YOU'VE BEEN TAKIN' PHOTOS." I remembered my rights from previous replies to this thread and said, "Yes, I always do," and carried on drinking. He stared at me for a minute or two then went back into his room. I wondered what it was all about until the evening when I was adding the pub to PuG. As I googled the pub, I came across this link.

http://www.leaderlive.co.uk/news/112821/kylie-s-banned-from-wrexham-s-arnold-s-bar-and-grill.aspx

He obviously thought I was another reporter after a story or someone coming to check on the music.

(Am I still a chicken Will? Yes! Cluck! Cluck!):p:p

[aleandhearty]

"BUT YOU'VE BEEN TAKIN' PHOTOS." I remembered my rights from previous replies to this thread and said, "Yes, I always do," and carried on drinking. He stared at me for a minute or two then went back into his room....He obviously thought I was another reporter after a story or someone coming to check on the music.

Got to admire your cool there, Alan. :) I don't suppose the thought of paying a large wedge, to some shyster, did much to improve his mood.

[Farway]

Now it is banned from playing music it sounds like it could be my kind of place :whistle: . grabs pint & Slinks off to grumpy cornes

Not pub photo related, but a recently revamped precint near here got a lot of bad publicty, and are very touchy about photos, but as it is public space nothing they can do about it

[Farway]

Just spotted this latest news

man has been shot dead and three other people have been injured in a shooting in a pub in Manchester.

Greater Manchester Police said several shots were fired in the Cotton Tree Inn in Droylsden at about 23:50 BST on Friday

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-18217129

Guess most would avoid taking photo in next few days :evilgrin:

[ROBCamra]

Just spotted this latest news

man has been shot dead and three other people have been injured in a shooting in a pub in Manchester.

Greater Manchester Police said several shots were fired in the Cotton Tree Inn in Droylsden at about 23:50 BST on Friday

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-18217129

Guess most would avoid taking photo in next few days :evilgrin:

I shall be going past the Cotton Tree this evening. It's just along the road from where the mother in law lives.

I've called in a few times over the years.

[Lady Grey]

I'm just wondering what the procedure is when discovering a pub has been converted to a children's nursery? I found myself in this situation on Monday, with The Royal Foresters in Cinderford. Littledean Hill Road is quite a long road, so I had to ask directions to the aforementioned pub. I had my camera around my neck and had previously taken a few landscape shots along the way. I found the former pub, but had to wait until it was less cloudy to take photos. I have to admit that I felt a little uneasy waiting around in these circumstances. I didn't encounter any problems, but I'm just wondering what the right thing would have been, if I had have been approached by an irate nursery assistant?

[Wild Rover]

I have taken numerous photos of old pubs that are now nurseries and so far no problems.I think though you would have to be a little careful if children were actually playing in the nursery grounds.Have found a similar problem with pubs that are situated next to a school playground,and it is playtime.Usually I either come back later when they have gone back in school or walk a distance away and photo a side view of the pub,making sure there are no children in the shot.

[Lady Grey]

Thats good advice, thanks.

[Soup Dragon]

I think it is less of a problem for me, as i just use my phone, rather than carry a camera - but on the few occasions i have felt uncomfortable due to people, or an old pub being a house say, i look for the best angle, have my phone set to camera already, then take the picture quickly and clear-off at pace. I also took off the annoying sounds that the phone makes when you take a picture - for indoor shots of pubs. So far, so good!

[Lady Grey]

Thank goodness for modern technology.

[Farway]

I am very wary of taking pictures involving kids, mainly because I am old bald bloke with beard & camera, 2+ 2 sometimes makes 5 for some folk, so I tend to avoid, or stand well back & use the zoom lens

[Quinno]

or stand well back & use the zoom lens

because that doesn't look suspicious either! :D

[Farway]

because that doesn't look suspicious either! :D

He He, more inconspicuous though, but one must remember to leave the grubby mac at home :whistle:

[Al 10000]

but I'm just wondering what the right thing would have been, if I had have been approached by an irate nursery assistant?

I would be very carefull doing anything near a nursery,
I live opposte a nursery and was waiting for my son to come back to his car,i just happened to look over the valley (an urban vally) at the sky which looked quite nice,when this very angry nursery assistant who looked like a bulldog chewing a wasp,said "what are you looking at" i said "the sky" this was the wrong answer,she said "you are not allowed to look at anything" that told me.

My daughter is a qualified nursery worker and she plus most nursery workers are all angry when talking to anyone older the 4 years old.

Dont get involved with nurserys,i could tell you lots more stories about the one opposite me and all the problems they have caused to us over the years.

[Lady Grey]

I live opposte a nursery and was waiting for my son to come back to his car,i just happened to look over the valley (an urban vally) at the sky which looked quite nice,when this very angry nursery assistant who looked like a bulldog chewing a wasp,said "what are you looking at" i said "the sky" this was the wrong answer,she said "you are not allowed to look at anything" that told me.


Jeez what a sad world we're living in.

[Farway]

A none risky photo event. Was in Winchester last Sunday, photographing The Black Boy (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/14135/) and a smoker politely offered to move away from door, and then gave more info on closed nearby pubs

Maybe a good reflection on The Black Boy (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/14135/) clients

Nice change from "oi why are you taking photos"?

[aleandhearty]

...a smoker politely offered to move away from door, and then gave more info on closed nearby pubs...

Blimey, you should get him stuffed and mounted above the bar. :)

[oldboots]

Blimey, you should get him stuffed and mounted above the bar. :)

In the Black Boy they'll stuff and mount anything to add to their mad collections so it could happen, remember what happened to Jeremy Bentham?