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You’d best get settled in because this is going to take a while. I’ve made up a whole load of Stout categories and I’ll be slowly crawling through over the next weeks. Not sure exactly why I’m doing this, other than that I’ve started and I’d like to finish.
I suppose it’s all part of one of my current grand schemes. A close look at British beer and brewing in the period 1945 to 1960. With a particular emphasis of bottled beer and bottling. I know. Really dull stuff. But I see that as a challenge. And if worried about alienating readers, I’d nerve write anything I really want to.
I’ve arranged the beers in descending order of attenuation. You can see that not only is Guinness Extra Stout No. 1, it also occupies 9 of the top 20 positions. But there’s a fair spread amongst the Guinness examples, from 80.13% to 93.95% apparent attenuation. There are 13 examples from other breweries with a higher degree of attenuation of the least attenuated version of Guinness.
There are several beers that look quite similar to Guinness: Massey, Matthew Brown, Magee Marshall, Chesters, Holts and M & B. Though some do have a lower OG. All but M & B are from the Northwest of England. Is that a coincidence, or were drier Stouts more popular in that part of the country.
Looking more closely, there are almost no Southern breweries in the list. Just these ones: Watney, Hunt Edmunds, Starkey, Knight & Ford, Shrewesbury & Wem, Truman and Flowers. And most of those are towards the bottom end of the list. Not sure what that tells us, but I find it interesting.
Judging by its price, Guinness was a premium product. The average price per pint of the whole set is 26.2d. For Guinness it’s 30.5. But that makes sense, if you think about it. Two breweries – Guinness and the bottling/reselling brewery – both needed to make a profit from it.
I was surprised to see a beer described as a Sweet Stout (Chesters) in this set and one containing lactose (Hydes). Especially as the latter had a 75% rate of attenuation. There can’t have been that much lactose added or the FG would be higher.
I originally had two examples of Mackeson in this set. But I removed them because I’d taken the details from brewing records and they were for the beer as brewed, before the addition of lactose after primary fermentation.
Bottled Stout in the 1950's - Standard Stouts >70% attenuation
Year
Brewer
Beer
Price
size
Acidity
OG
FG
ABV
App. Atten-uation
colour
1953
Guinness
Extra Stout
1/-
nip
0.18
1046.3
1002.8
5.70
93.95%
1 + 8
1959
Massey
Prize Stout
12.5d
halfpint
1040.8
1004.2
4.78
89.71%
475
1959
Matthew Brown
Lion Oatmeal Stout
13d
halfpint
1040.4
1005.2
4.59
87.13%
150
1954
Guinness
Extra Stout
1/3.5d
half pint
0.05
1047.5
1006.6
5.34
86.11%
200
1954
Magee Marshall
Extra Stout
11d
half pint
0.04
1043.5
1006.4
4.84
85.29%
200
1954
Guinness
Extra Stout
1/2d
half pint
0.05
1047.4
1007.1
5.26
85.02%
1 + 13
1954
Chester Brewery
Extra Stout
1/-
half pint
0.11
1042.7
1006.5
4.72
84.78%
250
1951
Guinness
Extra Stout
1/3d
half pint
0.05
1049.1
1007.5
5.43
84.73%
1 + 8
1952
Guinness
Extra Stout
1/2d
half pint
0.07
1047.4
1007.5
5.20
84.18%
1 + 8
1957
Matthew Brown
Lion Oatmeal Stout
1/-
half pint
0.09
1041.4
1006.7
4.52
83.82%
250
1959
Holt, Joseph
Brown Stout
13.5d
halfpint
1045.2
1007.5
4.91
83.41%
325
1953
Mitchell & Butler
Extra Stout
1/-
half pint
0.05
1049
1008.2
5.32
83.27%
1 + 11
1951
Guinness
Extra Stout
1/3.5d
half pint
0.08
1047.7
1008.1
5.16
83.02%
1 + 8.5
1952
Bent's Brewery
Imperial Stone Stout
11.5d
half pint
0.07
1041.3
1007.1
4.45
82.81%
1R + 8B
1951
Mitchell & Butler
Nourishing Stout
1/5d
pint
0.04
1042.8
1007.4
4.61
82.71%
1 + 10
1951
Mitchell & Butler
Nourishing Stout
1/6d
pint
0.07
1042.1
1007.3
4.53
82.66%
1 + 12
1950
Guinness
Extra Stout
1/11d
pint
0.06
1048.6
1008.6
5.21
82.30%
1 + 8
1957
Guinness
Extra Stout
1/5d
half pint
0.05
1047.3
1008.6
5.04
81.82%
150
1953
Guinness
Extra Stout
1/3.5d
half pint
0.05
1047.4
1008.7
5.04
81.65%
1 + 11
1959
Hey's
White Rose Stout
14d
halfpint
1046.6
1008.7
4.94
81.33%
325
1951
Mitchell & Butler
Extra Stout
10.5d
half pint
0.04
1048
1009
5.08
81.25%
1 + 9
1952
Matthew Brown
Oatmeal Stout
11.5d
half pint
0.07
1041.1
1007.8
4.33
81.02%
1 + 11
1959
Robinson
Unicorn Black Stout
14.5d
halfpint
1041.8
1008.1
4.38
80.62%
240
1954
Watney
Reids Special Stout
12.5d
half pint
0.04
1043.3
1008.5
4.53
80.37%
1 + 15
1951
Courage
Sturdy Extra Stout
12d
half pint
0.05
1043.6
1008.6
4.55
80.28%
1958
Guinness
Extra Stout
1/4.5d
half pint
0.07
1046.3
1009.2
4.83
80.13%
200
1951
Watney
Special Stout
12d
half pint
0.06
1045.3
1009.1
4.71
79.91%
1 + 12
1959
Hewitt Bros.
Oatmeal Stout
10d
halfpint
1042.3
1008.8
4.36
79.20%
300
1954
JW Lees
Archer Stout
1/-
half pint
0.06
1040.7
1008.5
4.19
79.12%
225
1950
Watney
Reids Special Stout
12d
half pint
0.06
1045.9
1009.6
4.72
79.08%
1 + 11
1953
Mitchell & Butler
Extra Stout
1/-
half pint
0.05
1046.2
1009.8
4.74
78.79%
21 B
1950
Watney
Reids Stout
17d
pint
0.06
1042.9
1009.1
4.39
78.79%
1 + 10
1953
Camerons
Sovereign Stout
1/1d
half pint
0.05
1044.3
1009.6
4.51
78.33%
1R + 17B
1957
Watney
Special Stout
13d
half pint
0.05
1042.3
1009.4
4.28
77.78%
200
1951
Hancocks
77 Export Stout
1/2d
half pint
0.06
1045.9
1010.3
4.63
77.56%
1 + 12
1954
Mitchell & Butler
Extra Stout
1/-
half pint
0.05
1049
1011.2
4.92
77.14%
1 + 14
1951
JW Lees
Archer Stout
1/1d
half pint
0.14
1041.7
1009.6
4.17
76.98%
1952
Leicester Brewing & Malting
Milk Stout
1/2.5d
half pint
0.17
1044.2
1010.2
4.42
76.92%
1 + 15.5
1959
Threlfalls
Extra Stout
13d
halfpint
1044.4
1010.5
4.40
76.35%
175
1951
JW Lees
Archer Stout
1/1d
half pint
0.06
1040
1009.5
3.96
76.25%
1953
Stroud Brewery
Cottswold Stout
1/-
half pint
0.06
1043.3
1010.4
4.27
75.98%
1R + 14B
1959
Lion Brewery
Lion Prize Stout
14d
half pint
0.06
1046.3
1011.3
4.38
75.59%
175
1954
Threlfalls
Extra Stout
1/1d
half pint
0.04
1046.9
1011.5
4.60
75.48%
225
1954
Hydes
Special Stout (Lactose present)
1/1d
half pint
0.04
1043.2
1010.9
4.19
74.77%
225
1952
Nimmo
Nimmo's Stout
1/-
half pint
0.05
1045
1011.4
4.36
74.67%
1R + 7B
1952
Mardens
Mylki Extra Stout
1/3d
half pint
0.06
1043.9
1011.2
4.24
74.49%
1R + 1 B
1957
Watney
Reids Special Stout
18d
half pint
0.06
1045.2
1011.8
4.33
73.89%
225
1959
Hunt Edmunds
Country Stout
12d
halfpint
1043.3
1011.7
4.10
72.98%
225
1952
Marston
Extra Stout
1/3d
half pint
0.06
1042.1
1011.4
3.98
72.92%
1R+13.5B
1952
Greenall Whitley
Wilderspool Extra Stout
1/1d
half pint
0.07
1040.4
1011
3.81
72.77%
1 R + 9 B
1959
Ardwick Brewery
Chesters Special Sweet Stout
15d
halfpint
0.04
1045.5
1012.5
4.28
72.53%
200
1954
Mardens
Mylki Stout
1/2d
half pint
0.04
1043.1
1012
4.03
72.16%
250
1950
Stone, Wm.
Samson Stout
1/-
half pint
0.07
1043.1
1012.1
4.02
71.90%
1 + 18
1952
Shrewesbury & Wem
Extra Stout
1/2d
half pint
0.08
1041
1011.8
3.78
71.22%
1R + 18B
1950
Truman
Black Ben Stout
14.5d
half pint
0.07
1048.8
1014.2
4.49
70.90%
1 + 9
1950
Truman
Black Ben Stout
14.5d
half pint
0.07
1049
1014.3
4.50
70.82%
1 + 10
1953
Starkey, Knight & Ford
Super Stout
1/2d
half pint
0.04
1045.9
1013.4
4.21
70.81%
1 + 16
1954
Flowers
Table Stout
0.07
1046.4
1013.6
4.25
70.69%
350
1959
Chesters
Special Sweet Stout
14d
halfpint
1044.6
1013.2
4.07
70.40%
200
1954
Thwaites
Cream Stout
1/1d
half pint
0.04
1044.3
1013.2
4.03
70.20%
200
1959
Cornbrook Brewery
Barley Stout
12.5d
halfpint
1046.3
1013.8
4.21
70.19%
250
1953
Worthington
XX Stout
1/-
half pint
0.05
1040
1012
3.63
70.00%
1R + 16B
Source:
Whitbread Gravity book held at the London Metropolitan Archives, document number LMA/4453/D/02/001.
What’s next? Standard-strength Stouts with not such good attenuation.
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You’d best get settled in because this is going to take a while. I’ve made up a whole load of Stout categories and I’ll be slowly crawling through over the next weeks. Not sure exactly why I’m doing this, other than that I’ve started and I’d like to finish.
I suppose it’s all part of one of my current grand schemes. A close look at British beer and brewing in the period 1945 to 1960. With a particular emphasis of bottled beer and bottling. I know. Really dull stuff. But I see that as a challenge. And if worried about alienating readers, I’d nerve write anything I really want to.
I’ve arranged the beers in descending order of attenuation. You can see that not only is Guinness Extra Stout No. 1, it also occupies 9 of the top 20 positions. But there’s a fair spread amongst the Guinness examples, from 80.13% to 93.95% apparent attenuation. There are 13 examples from other breweries with a higher degree of attenuation of the least attenuated version of Guinness.
There are several beers that look quite similar to Guinness: Massey, Matthew Brown, Magee Marshall, Chesters, Holts and M & B. Though some do have a lower OG. All but M & B are from the Northwest of England. Is that a coincidence, or were drier Stouts more popular in that part of the country.
Looking more closely, there are almost no Southern breweries in the list. Just these ones: Watney, Hunt Edmunds, Starkey, Knight & Ford, Shrewesbury & Wem, Truman and Flowers. And most of those are towards the bottom end of the list. Not sure what that tells us, but I find it interesting.
Judging by its price, Guinness was a premium product. The average price per pint of the whole set is 26.2d. For Guinness it’s 30.5. But that makes sense, if you think about it. Two breweries – Guinness and the bottling/reselling brewery – both needed to make a profit from it.
I was surprised to see a beer described as a Sweet Stout (Chesters) in this set and one containing lactose (Hydes). Especially as the latter had a 75% rate of attenuation. There can’t have been that much lactose added or the FG would be higher.
I originally had two examples of Mackeson in this set. But I removed them because I’d taken the details from brewing records and they were for the beer as brewed, before the addition of lactose after primary fermentation.
Bottled Stout in the 1950's - Standard Stouts >70% attenuation
Year
Brewer
Beer
Price
size
Acidity
OG
FG
ABV
App. Atten-uation
colour
1953
Guinness
Extra Stout
1/-
nip
0.18
1046.3
1002.8
5.70
93.95%
1 + 8
1959
Massey
Prize Stout
12.5d
halfpint
1040.8
1004.2
4.78
89.71%
475
1959
Matthew Brown
Lion Oatmeal Stout
13d
halfpint
1040.4
1005.2
4.59
87.13%
150
1954
Guinness
Extra Stout
1/3.5d
half pint
0.05
1047.5
1006.6
5.34
86.11%
200
1954
Magee Marshall
Extra Stout
11d
half pint
0.04
1043.5
1006.4
4.84
85.29%
200
1954
Guinness
Extra Stout
1/2d
half pint
0.05
1047.4
1007.1
5.26
85.02%
1 + 13
1954
Chester Brewery
Extra Stout
1/-
half pint
0.11
1042.7
1006.5
4.72
84.78%
250
1951
Guinness
Extra Stout
1/3d
half pint
0.05
1049.1
1007.5
5.43
84.73%
1 + 8
1952
Guinness
Extra Stout
1/2d
half pint
0.07
1047.4
1007.5
5.20
84.18%
1 + 8
1957
Matthew Brown
Lion Oatmeal Stout
1/-
half pint
0.09
1041.4
1006.7
4.52
83.82%
250
1959
Holt, Joseph
Brown Stout
13.5d
halfpint
1045.2
1007.5
4.91
83.41%
325
1953
Mitchell & Butler
Extra Stout
1/-
half pint
0.05
1049
1008.2
5.32
83.27%
1 + 11
1951
Guinness
Extra Stout
1/3.5d
half pint
0.08
1047.7
1008.1
5.16
83.02%
1 + 8.5
1952
Bent's Brewery
Imperial Stone Stout
11.5d
half pint
0.07
1041.3
1007.1
4.45
82.81%
1R + 8B
1951
Mitchell & Butler
Nourishing Stout
1/5d
pint
0.04
1042.8
1007.4
4.61
82.71%
1 + 10
1951
Mitchell & Butler
Nourishing Stout
1/6d
pint
0.07
1042.1
1007.3
4.53
82.66%
1 + 12
1950
Guinness
Extra Stout
1/11d
pint
0.06
1048.6
1008.6
5.21
82.30%
1 + 8
1957
Guinness
Extra Stout
1/5d
half pint
0.05
1047.3
1008.6
5.04
81.82%
150
1953
Guinness
Extra Stout
1/3.5d
half pint
0.05
1047.4
1008.7
5.04
81.65%
1 + 11
1959
Hey's
White Rose Stout
14d
halfpint
1046.6
1008.7
4.94
81.33%
325
1951
Mitchell & Butler
Extra Stout
10.5d
half pint
0.04
1048
1009
5.08
81.25%
1 + 9
1952
Matthew Brown
Oatmeal Stout
11.5d
half pint
0.07
1041.1
1007.8
4.33
81.02%
1 + 11
1959
Robinson
Unicorn Black Stout
14.5d
halfpint
1041.8
1008.1
4.38
80.62%
240
1954
Watney
Reids Special Stout
12.5d
half pint
0.04
1043.3
1008.5
4.53
80.37%
1 + 15
1951
Courage
Sturdy Extra Stout
12d
half pint
0.05
1043.6
1008.6
4.55
80.28%
1958
Guinness
Extra Stout
1/4.5d
half pint
0.07
1046.3
1009.2
4.83
80.13%
200
1951
Watney
Special Stout
12d
half pint
0.06
1045.3
1009.1
4.71
79.91%
1 + 12
1959
Hewitt Bros.
Oatmeal Stout
10d
halfpint
1042.3
1008.8
4.36
79.20%
300
1954
JW Lees
Archer Stout
1/-
half pint
0.06
1040.7
1008.5
4.19
79.12%
225
1950
Watney
Reids Special Stout
12d
half pint
0.06
1045.9
1009.6
4.72
79.08%
1 + 11
1953
Mitchell & Butler
Extra Stout
1/-
half pint
0.05
1046.2
1009.8
4.74
78.79%
21 B
1950
Watney
Reids Stout
17d
pint
0.06
1042.9
1009.1
4.39
78.79%
1 + 10
1953
Camerons
Sovereign Stout
1/1d
half pint
0.05
1044.3
1009.6
4.51
78.33%
1R + 17B
1957
Watney
Special Stout
13d
half pint
0.05
1042.3
1009.4
4.28
77.78%
200
1951
Hancocks
77 Export Stout
1/2d
half pint
0.06
1045.9
1010.3
4.63
77.56%
1 + 12
1954
Mitchell & Butler
Extra Stout
1/-
half pint
0.05
1049
1011.2
4.92
77.14%
1 + 14
1951
JW Lees
Archer Stout
1/1d
half pint
0.14
1041.7
1009.6
4.17
76.98%
1952
Leicester Brewing & Malting
Milk Stout
1/2.5d
half pint
0.17
1044.2
1010.2
4.42
76.92%
1 + 15.5
1959
Threlfalls
Extra Stout
13d
halfpint
1044.4
1010.5
4.40
76.35%
175
1951
JW Lees
Archer Stout
1/1d
half pint
0.06
1040
1009.5
3.96
76.25%
1953
Stroud Brewery
Cottswold Stout
1/-
half pint
0.06
1043.3
1010.4
4.27
75.98%
1R + 14B
1959
Lion Brewery
Lion Prize Stout
14d
half pint
0.06
1046.3
1011.3
4.38
75.59%
175
1954
Threlfalls
Extra Stout
1/1d
half pint
0.04
1046.9
1011.5
4.60
75.48%
225
1954
Hydes
Special Stout (Lactose present)
1/1d
half pint
0.04
1043.2
1010.9
4.19
74.77%
225
1952
Nimmo
Nimmo's Stout
1/-
half pint
0.05
1045
1011.4
4.36
74.67%
1R + 7B
1952
Mardens
Mylki Extra Stout
1/3d
half pint
0.06
1043.9
1011.2
4.24
74.49%
1R + 1 B
1957
Watney
Reids Special Stout
18d
half pint
0.06
1045.2
1011.8
4.33
73.89%
225
1959
Hunt Edmunds
Country Stout
12d
halfpint
1043.3
1011.7
4.10
72.98%
225
1952
Marston
Extra Stout
1/3d
half pint
0.06
1042.1
1011.4
3.98
72.92%
1R+13.5B
1952
Greenall Whitley
Wilderspool Extra Stout
1/1d
half pint
0.07
1040.4
1011
3.81
72.77%
1 R + 9 B
1959
Ardwick Brewery
Chesters Special Sweet Stout
15d
halfpint
0.04
1045.5
1012.5
4.28
72.53%
200
1954
Mardens
Mylki Stout
1/2d
half pint
0.04
1043.1
1012
4.03
72.16%
250
1950
Stone, Wm.
Samson Stout
1/-
half pint
0.07
1043.1
1012.1
4.02
71.90%
1 + 18
1952
Shrewesbury & Wem
Extra Stout
1/2d
half pint
0.08
1041
1011.8
3.78
71.22%
1R + 18B
1950
Truman
Black Ben Stout
14.5d
half pint
0.07
1048.8
1014.2
4.49
70.90%
1 + 9
1950
Truman
Black Ben Stout
14.5d
half pint
0.07
1049
1014.3
4.50
70.82%
1 + 10
1953
Starkey, Knight & Ford
Super Stout
1/2d
half pint
0.04
1045.9
1013.4
4.21
70.81%
1 + 16
1954
Flowers
Table Stout
0.07
1046.4
1013.6
4.25
70.69%
350
1959
Chesters
Special Sweet Stout
14d
halfpint
1044.6
1013.2
4.07
70.40%
200
1954
Thwaites
Cream Stout
1/1d
half pint
0.04
1044.3
1013.2
4.03
70.20%
200
1959
Cornbrook Brewery
Barley Stout
12.5d
halfpint
1046.3
1013.8
4.21
70.19%
250
1953
Worthington
XX Stout
1/-
half pint
0.05
1040
1012
3.63
70.00%
1R + 16B
Source:
Whitbread Gravity book held at the London Metropolitan Archives, document number LMA/4453/D/02/001.
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