Temporary Pub Closures

[Al 10000]

I am pretty sure i have done a thread about this in the past.

If i am on a pub crawl and see a pub that is closed but will no doubt reopen in the near future,i will never ask for it to be closed.

i have noticed pubs that have been closed on a tempory basis for over a year and are still closed,but are now open.
I think those who close the pub down on the site should then reopen it when it does reopen and not leave it closed.

Take this pub for an example The Yew Tree Inn (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/41979/).

[AlanH]

I am pretty sure i have done a thread about this in the past.

If i am on a pub crawl and see a pub that is closed but will no doubt reopen in the near future,i will never ask for it to be closed.

i have noticed pubs that have been closed on a tempory basis for over a year and are still closed,but are now open.
I think those who close the pub down on the site should then reopen it when it does reopen and not leave it closed.

Take this pub for an example The Yew Tree Inn (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/41979/).

I agree Al, especially if it is a pub we don't know too well. It is too easy to forget about a pub we have closed weeks ago. We might never see the info that it has reopened. A far better way would be to mention it's closure on a review saying that it is only temporary. At least it is still on the maps then and won't be forgotten about.

[oldboots]

I think the trick here may be to report changes in a pub's status in the "That doesn't go there thread!" I think that's what it was set up for but then I'm often wrong.

I haven't seen any change posts about the Yew Tree in Warminster, What Pub has it as open but then that has an out of date Facebook link so who knows what's going on there?

Perhaps Quinno will be willing to spend a few quid and check out this and all the other pubs he's seen that are shut in the last few months.

[Quinno]

Perhaps Quinno will be willing to spend a few quid and check out this and all the other pubs he's seen that are shut in the last few months.

Pretty sure I didn't close it - ROBCamra did. I generally don't close places that are temporary as I agree with Al that it's not easy to remember to check they've re-opened. I fed back its closure to the local CAMRA branch but its status never changed on WP.

TripAdvisor also has no reviews for this place since 2014 either. Maybe it never did re-open?

[Rex_Rattus]

I think you have to use your best judgement on this one. I closed a pub the other day that looked fairly derelict - the seating area at the front was strewn with junk; the canopy had broken down; a pane of glass in the door was broken, allowing me to see inside where the place was full of junk. There was definitely no work going on. Of course it might be that work is about to start and it will be up and running again in a month or so. WhatPub was no help as it was not closed on there. Or it might alternatively become another Tesco Express. How am I to know? All I can go on is what I see. I for one don't keep track of all the pubs I close - regrettably there are too many of them.

[bcfczuluarmy]

If this thread had been posted at 15.00 today I'd have took a slight detour from the Warminster bypass and driven through Warminster to confirm. Wiltshire WP are crap btw I've told them about pubs that are shut and they've done nothing about them.

The problem we have on here as I've mentioned before is if we spot somewhere shut away from where we live is will we be passing often enough to update it accordingly.

[ETA]

I think you have to use your best judgement on this one. I closed a pub the other day that looked fairly derelict - the seating area at the front was strewn with junk; the canopy had broken down; a pane of glass in the door was broken, allowing me to see inside where the place was full of junk. There was definitely no work going on. Of course it might be that work is about to start and it will be up and running again in a month or so. WhatPub was no help as it was not closed on there. Or it might alternatively become another Tesco Express. How am I to know? All I can go on is what I see. I for one don't keep track of all the pubs I close - regrettably there are too many of them.

Summed up nicely by Rex, I think. We can only report what we see, though that is sometime stempered by various CAMRA newsletters we pick up as we travel around.

[ROBCamra]

In the case of the Yew Tree it still does not appear on Marston's Pub Search.

They haven't used their Facebook or Twitter accounts for ages.

There's no mention of Marston's wishing to lease, let or sell the pub.

I suspect it may have been turned into a private house.

Bath CAMRA are pretty useless at keeping up to date as well.

All the evidence points to it being closed permanently.

My view, for what it's worth, is that we should continue to close pubs on a temporary basis.

There's nothing worse than walking for a mile in the pouring rain to find that the pub is closed for a refurb. :mad:

I still have the facility to check these pubs out and I'm working through 70 at the moment,
but if Whatpub isn't kept up to date either it's very difficult to find out what's happening.

[Lady Grey]

I agree with the sentiments expressed in this thread. There are a few pubs which I have marked as closed, but due to their location, or lack of information on the web, I have been unable to mark them as open. A prime example is Hearts of Oak in Drybrook, Gloucestershire. This pub is quite a distance from where I live, and there is little information about it on the web.

[ROBCamra]

Looks as if it is still up for let with Admiral Taverns, http://www.admiraltaverns.co.uk/Pub/Hearts-Of-Oak/1060

However it says that the living accomodation has recently been upgraded by the CURRENT tenant.

Whatpub has it marked as reopen on 03/06/2015. :confused:

I suspect it's currently open in the short term, but is still up for let for the 5 year tenancy.

On balance I would say that it's open.

[Mobyduck]

In the case of the Yew Tree it still does not appear on Marston's Pub Search.
It does appear on Maston's Pub search , if you search Warminster.
However I just tried phoning the pub using the number on what pub to find out its not recognised , there is a different number on Marstons pub search (same code), this was no good either, Maybe Marston's are as useless as Bath and Borders CAMRA.

[Pubsignman]

This local historian recorded the pub as having reopened under new management by December 2014.

http://www.dannyhowell.net/2014/12/the-yew-tree-at-boreham-warminster-now.html

He's posted a few times about events at the pub since then, the most recent being on 28th March 2015.

http://www.dannyhowell.net/2015/03/skelad-play-irish-music-at-yew-tree.html

So it definitely reopened after Quinno's visit, but I suppose it's possible that it has closed again since then??

[Lady Grey]

Looks as if it is still up for let with Admiral Taverns, http://www.admiraltaverns.co.uk/Pub/Hearts-Of-Oak/1060

However it says that the living accomodation has recently been upgraded by the CURRENT tenant.

Whatpub has it marked as reopen on 03/06/2015. :confused:

I suspect it's currently open in the short term, but is still up for let for the 5 year tenancy.

On balance I would say that it's open.

Thanks for taking the time to find that information.

[Pubsignman]

It also looks open from the latest Google Street View image taken in May 2015

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.198003,-2.16014,3a,30y,169.12h,79.91t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQIZ7Me19ebSQfS7AhET-KQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1?hl=en-GB

£2.40 for a pint of cask ale - who says you need to head North for a cheap pint? ;)

[ROBCamra]

It does appear on Maston's Pub search , if you search Warminster.
However I just tried phoning the pub using the number on what pub to find out its not recognised , there is a different number on Marstons pub search (same code), this was no good either, Maybe Marston's are as useless as Bath and Borders CAMRA.

It's on pub search on the main Marston's site with no details, but not on their pubfinder.

Or is it the other way round?:confused:

[Mobyduck]

It's on pub search on the main Marston's site with no details, but not on their pubfinder.

Or is it the other way round?:confused:

No idea :confused:

[AlanH]

It does appear on Maston's Pub search , if you search Warminster.
However I just tried phoning the pub using the number on what pub to find out its not recognised , there is a different number on Marstons pub search (same code), this was no good either, Maybe Marston's are as useless as Bath and Borders CAMRA.

Marstons are useless! After I found the Yew Tree on "Marstons Taverns", I also saw the 'Railway' in Altrincham complete with photograph. This pub was demolished years ago. Spring Bank House now stands on the spot.

The Yew Tree has a Google photo (May 2015) showing outdoor seating and 'A' boards, but I got suspicious of when photo was really taken when the 'A' board said "Watch 6 Nations rugby here".

[Strongers]

This really is a tricky one because I agree that walking for twenty minutes out of town to find a closed pub is annoying. BUT, it isn't as annoying as doing all of the pubs in a town to later find that one that was marked closed was in fact open.

Maybe the temporarily closed option should flag a pub up if it has been closed for some time.

I visited here (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/1038/) at the end of May to find builders doing extensive work. I have no idea if it has reopened yet and I doubt I will ever return to the area. However, I did use the temporarily closed option and noted that it was closed for refurbishment.

[gillhalfpint]

If I visit a closed pub, I like to put a review up of what I see, what is on any notice etc, as that gives a time log of the state of it. If it looks closed for a refurb and you read that 2 years later you have a chance of finding it open. If it looks like a demolition sign, chance you could find a Tesco next time around!

[ROBCamra]

I visited here (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/1038/) at the end of May to find builders doing extensive work. I have no idea if it has reopened yet and I doubt I will ever return to the area. However, I did use the temporarily closed option and noted that it was closed for refurbishment.

It's now reopen, complete with new website and monthly music gigs.

[ROBCamra]

I've now been through all the pubs that are marked as Temporary Closure.

I've reopened a lot. Marked some as permanently closed and left some alone.

We currently have 72 pubs left with a temporary closure.

As far as I can see these are all legit, insofar as they are all reported as being in the process of being refurbished.

A few are long term temporary closures due to the building the pub is under being redeveloped etc

I'll repeat the exercise every so often. :cheers:

[Strongers]

Now that is dedication!

Cheers RC, acts like this help keep PuG top on the tree! :notworthy:

[Mobyduck]

I've now been through all the pubs that are marked as Temporary Closure.

I've reopened a lot. Marked some as permanently closed and left some alone.

We currently have 72 pubs left with a temporary closure.

As far as I can see these are all legit, insofar as they are all reported as being in the process of being refurbished.

A few are long term temporary closures due to the building the pub is under being redeveloped etc

I'll repeat the exercise every so often. :cheers:

Are you cross checking with Whatpub as well?

[ROBCamra]

Of course.

And Tripadvisor and local newspapers and..... :evilgrin:

[ROBCamra]

I have access to a list of all temporarily closed pubs that I check on a regular basis as part of my OCD treatment aka Admin.

But it only displays the expected reopening date if it's included in the closure reason.

If you close a pub temporarily for a refurb etc could you quote an expected reopening date if known please.

Hopefully it will help to keep the site up to date by reminding me to reopen pubs that otherwise may be forgotten about and left as closed.:cheers: