The updated County Information

[Conrad]

As requested in the 100 not out thread (http://forums.pubsgalore.co.uk/showthread.php?1867-100-%28not%29-out-amp-Ale-Festivals-Birmingham&p=11240#post11240) these are the up to date County stats advanced on since the last one at the end of October (http://forums.pubsgalore.co.uk/showthread.php?529-Friday-Stats-County-information). I have also attached a zip of the csv from which this information is built to this and the last thread.

England, Bedfordshire
521 Pubs
465 Open pubs
197 Reviews
157 Pubs with reviews
817 Photos
200 Pubs with photos

England, Berkshire
666 Pubs
631 Open pubs
183 Reviews
137 Pubs with reviews
869 Photos
220 Pubs with photos

England, Buckinghamshire
632 Pubs
575 Open pubs
184 Reviews
158 Pubs with reviews
937 Photos
503 Pubs with photos

England, Cambridgeshire
718 Pubs
694 Open pubs
150 Reviews
115 Pubs with reviews
1376 Photos
232 Pubs with photos

England, Central London
2451 Pubs
2058 Open pubs
2479 Reviews
1326 Pubs with reviews
17846 Photos
2299 Pubs with photos

England, Cheshire
966 Pubs
911 Open pubs
345 Reviews
258 Pubs with reviews
1009 Photos
657 Pubs with photos

England, Cornwall
670 Pubs
662 Open pubs
245 Reviews
189 Pubs with reviews
640 Photos
368 Pubs with photos

England, County Durham
824 Pubs
773 Open pubs
175 Reviews
149 Pubs with reviews
325 Photos
255 Pubs with photos

England, Cumbria
836 Pubs
816 Open pubs
146 Reviews
126 Pubs with reviews
626 Photos
399 Pubs with photos

England, Derbyshire
1228 Pubs
1171 Open pubs
262 Reviews
206 Pubs with reviews
595 Photos
506 Pubs with photos

England, Devon
1324 Pubs
1282 Open pubs
334 Reviews
275 Pubs with reviews
2955 Photos
761 Pubs with photos

England, Dorset
614 Pubs
591 Open pubs
198 Reviews
154 Pubs with reviews
201 Photos
145 Pubs with photos

England, East Riding of Yorkshire
462 Pubs
450 Open pubs
203 Reviews
158 Pubs with reviews
242 Photos
188 Pubs with photos

England, East Sussex
769 Pubs
751 Open pubs
280 Reviews
186 Pubs with reviews
1292 Photos
496 Pubs with photos

England, Essex
1354 Pubs
1165 Open pubs
504 Reviews
396 Pubs with reviews
8323 Photos
1314 Pubs with photos

England, Gloucestershire
726 Pubs
718 Open pubs
68 Reviews
59 Pubs with reviews
162 Photos
125 Pubs with photos

England, Greater Bristol
504 Pubs
448 Open pubs
199 Reviews
148 Pubs with reviews
491 Photos
291 Pubs with photos

England, Greater London
2969 Pubs
2553 Open pubs
2091 Reviews
1491 Pubs with reviews
9192 Photos
2475 Pubs with photos

England, Greater Manchester
2635 Pubs
2386 Open pubs
790 Reviews
649 Pubs with reviews
3333 Photos
1890 Pubs with photos

England, Hampshire
1384 Pubs
1276 Open pubs
493 Reviews
411 Pubs with reviews
1817 Photos
701 Pubs with photos

England, Herefordshire
220 Pubs
216 Open pubs
74 Reviews
63 Pubs with reviews
103 Photos
62 Pubs with photos

England, Hertfordshire
858 Pubs
789 Open pubs
392 Reviews
304 Pubs with reviews
2384 Photos
505 Pubs with photos

England, Isle Of Wight
167 Pubs
163 Open pubs
42 Reviews
37 Pubs with reviews
206 Photos
92 Pubs with photos

England, Kent
1666 Pubs
1480 Open pubs
725 Reviews
590 Pubs with reviews
8115 Photos
1288 Pubs with photos

England, Lancashire
1736 Pubs
1532 Open pubs
514 Reviews
431 Pubs with reviews
3377 Photos
1470 Pubs with photos

England, Leicestershire
834 Pubs
807 Open pubs
144 Reviews
125 Pubs with reviews
592 Photos
166 Pubs with photos

England, Lincolnshire
1057 Pubs
1039 Open pubs
161 Reviews
146 Pubs with reviews
307 Photos
240 Pubs with photos

England, Merseyside
1101 Pubs
1022 Open pubs
254 Reviews
216 Pubs with reviews
783 Photos
620 Pubs with photos

England, Norfolk
965 Pubs
896 Open pubs
209 Reviews
175 Pubs with reviews
2814 Photos
424 Pubs with photos

England, North Yorkshire
1429 Pubs
1359 Open pubs
768 Reviews
570 Pubs with reviews
2050 Photos
1028 Pubs with photos

England, Northamptonshire
551 Pubs
539 Open pubs
119 Reviews
108 Pubs with reviews
426 Photos
148 Pubs with photos

England, Northumberland
304 Pubs
300 Open pubs
102 Reviews
74 Pubs with reviews
163 Photos
118 Pubs with photos

England, Nottinghamshire
930 Pubs
875 Open pubs
80 Reviews
66 Pubs with reviews
273 Photos
179 Pubs with photos

England, Oxfordshire
774 Pubs
751 Open pubs
129 Reviews
112 Pubs with reviews
427 Photos
191 Pubs with photos

England, Rutland
62 Pubs
60 Open pubs
3 Reviews
3 Pubs with reviews
12 Photos
7 Pubs with photos

England, Shropshire
707 Pubs
666 Open pubs
379 Reviews
260 Pubs with reviews
421 Photos
281 Pubs with photos

England, Somerset
1048 Pubs
1009 Open pubs
244 Reviews
205 Pubs with reviews
982 Photos
381 Pubs with photos

England, South Yorkshire
1225 Pubs
1177 Open pubs
206 Reviews
177 Pubs with reviews
686 Photos
583 Pubs with photos

England, Staffordshire
1204 Pubs
1131 Open pubs
598 Reviews
418 Pubs with reviews
784 Photos
469 Pubs with photos

England, Suffolk
847 Pubs
779 Open pubs
175 Reviews
147 Pubs with reviews
3282 Photos
488 Pubs with photos

England, Surrey
839 Pubs
779 Open pubs
353 Reviews
295 Pubs with reviews
1148 Photos
383 Pubs with photos

England, Tyne & Wear
803 Pubs
791 Open pubs
137 Reviews
107 Pubs with reviews
166 Photos
125 Pubs with photos

England, Warwickshire
614 Pubs
591 Open pubs
163 Reviews
137 Pubs with reviews
386 Photos
254 Pubs with photos

England, West Midlands
2112 Pubs
1703 Open pubs
1386 Reviews
980 Pubs with reviews
2620 Photos
1624 Pubs with photos

England, West Sussex
601 Pubs
574 Open pubs
167 Reviews
134 Pubs with reviews
725 Photos
308 Pubs with photos

England, West Yorkshire
2438 Pubs
2123 Open pubs
692 Reviews
538 Pubs with reviews
2814 Photos
1850 Pubs with photos

England, Wiltshire
682 Pubs
650 Open pubs
194 Reviews
153 Pubs with reviews
602 Photos
238 Pubs with photos

England, Worcestershire
591 Pubs
572 Open pubs
166 Reviews
144 Pubs with reviews
401 Photos
265 Pubs with photos

Isle of Man, Isle of Man
91 Pubs
84 Open pubs
15 Reviews
13 Pubs with reviews
160 Photos
89 Pubs with photos

Northern Ireland, Antrim
344 Pubs
343 Open pubs
55 Reviews
41 Pubs with reviews
61 Photos
42 Pubs with photos

Northern Ireland, Armagh
82 Pubs
82 Open pubs
0 Reviews
0 Pubs with reviews
0 Photos
0 Pubs with photos

Northern Ireland, Down
228 Pubs
224 Open pubs
11 Reviews
10 Pubs with reviews
8 Photos
3 Pubs with photos

Northern Ireland, Fermanach
56 Pubs
56 Open pubs
1 Reviews
1 Pubs with reviews
3 Photos
3 Pubs with photos

Northern Ireland, Londonderry
156 Pubs
156 Open pubs
1 Reviews
1 Pubs with reviews
3 Photos
2 Pubs with photos

Northern Ireland, Tyrone
130 Pubs
130 Open pubs
3 Reviews
3 Pubs with reviews
2 Photos
2 Pubs with photos

Scotland, Borders
146 Pubs
142 Open pubs
18 Reviews
17 Pubs with reviews
46 Photos
38 Pubs with photos

Scotland, Central
289 Pubs
282 Open pubs
53 Reviews
50 Pubs with reviews
256 Photos
209 Pubs with photos

Scotland, Dumfries and Galloway
207 Pubs
206 Open pubs
42 Reviews
35 Pubs with reviews
145 Photos
76 Pubs with photos

Scotland, Fife
291 Pubs
289 Open pubs
30 Reviews
24 Pubs with reviews
49 Photos
34 Pubs with photos

Scotland, Grampian
423 Pubs
417 Open pubs
53 Reviews
45 Pubs with reviews
70 Photos
54 Pubs with photos

Scotland, Highland
368 Pubs
365 Open pubs
57 Reviews
49 Pubs with reviews
174 Photos
120 Pubs with photos

Scotland, Lothian
813 Pubs
746 Open pubs
230 Reviews
201 Pubs with reviews
800 Photos
566 Pubs with photos

Scotland, Orkney
21 Pubs
21 Open pubs
0 Reviews
0 Pubs with reviews
0 Photos
0 Pubs with photos

Scotland, Shetland Islands
17 Pubs
17 Open pubs
0 Reviews
0 Pubs with reviews
0 Photos
0 Pubs with photos

Scotland, Strathclyde
1480 Pubs
1456 Open pubs
183 Reviews
158 Pubs with reviews
307 Photos
230 Pubs with photos

Scotland, Tayside
475 Pubs
469 Open pubs
41 Reviews
40 Pubs with reviews
59 Photos
41 Pubs with photos

Scotland, Western Isles
4 Pubs
4 Open pubs
1 Reviews
1 Pubs with reviews
0 Photos
0 Pubs with photos

Wales, Clwyd
527 Pubs
512 Open pubs
77 Reviews
70 Pubs with reviews
279 Photos
186 Pubs with photos

Wales, Dyfed
499 Pubs
481 Open pubs
81 Reviews
72 Pubs with reviews
278 Photos
176 Pubs with photos

Wales, Gwent
438 Pubs
438 Open pubs
40 Reviews
33 Pubs with reviews
65 Photos
52 Pubs with photos

Wales, Gwynedd
311 Pubs
307 Open pubs
80 Reviews
70 Pubs with reviews
151 Photos
99 Pubs with photos

Wales, Mid Glamorgan
440 Pubs
419 Open pubs
85 Reviews
74 Pubs with reviews
125 Photos
108 Pubs with photos

Wales, Powys
215 Pubs
208 Open pubs
42 Reviews
41 Pubs with reviews
97 Photos
78 Pubs with photos

Wales, South Glamorgan
286 Pubs
281 Open pubs
52 Reviews
38 Pubs with reviews
118 Photos
58 Pubs with photos

Wales, West Glamorgan
371 Pubs
365 Open pubs
53 Reviews
43 Pubs with reviews
152 Photos
104 Pubs with photos

[Andy Ven]

West Midlands is looking good.

Anyone fancy a trip to the Orkneys or Shetlands?

Do the pubs with reviews, pubs with photos etc stats relate to all pubs or just open pubs? (Obviously the demolished pubs with no current photo or review are never going to get covered)

[RogerB]

West Midlands is looking good.

Anyone fancy a trip to the Orkneys or Shetlands?



I've done the Orkneys! Didn't get much time there but had a couple of pints in Kirkwall but it was in my pre-review days and I wouldn't for the life of me remember which pubs we did.

[Andy Ven]

I've done the Orkneys! Didn't get much time there but had a couple of pints in Kirkwall but it was in my pre-review days and I wouldn't for the life of me remember which pubs we did.

Would you recommend a visit or go again yourself?

[Conrad]

The pictured/reviewed numbers relate to the closed pubs as well.

[RogerB]

Would you recommend a visit or go again yourself?

Absolutely! I'd be up there tomorrow given half the chance. We did a wildlife boat trip around Stroma, a small uninhabited island just off John O'Groats which is a must if you like that kind of thing although 100,000 guillemots perched in a cove do tend to reek a bit. We also went to the mainland and did the ancient sites (Skara Brae, the Ring of Brodgar etc) which are fascinating plus there are plenty of interesting WW1 & 2 sites as well as Scapa Flow where the German fleet was scuttled.

We went up there during the World Cup '96 and stayed in Fort William for the first week and then some obscure village I can't remember the name of about an hour's drive from John O'Groats for the second. Pubs are few and far between anywhere in the Scottish Highlands and islands and as far as the Orkneys are concerned, apart from Kirkwall on the main island you won't find much. I would think there would be a few Orkney beers (Red MacGregor seems to be the one that usually crops up in the real world) but don't expect much variety if you go.

[trainman]

We went up there during the World Cup '96

Maybe Euro96 or World Cup98? But why on earth would you wanna be in Scotland then?
World Cup94, maybe...

[RogerB]

I woke up in a cold sweat in the middle of the night having realised that there wasn't a World Cup in '96. I thought no problem, no bugger will notice before I get into work at 8.30am and amend it to '98.

[oldboots]

Call me a sad geek with too much time if you like, and you'd probably be right, but I had a look at the stats since Conrad provided the CSv version. For those who like this sort of thing there are some interesting surprises.

Coverage, or if you prefer penetration, is easy so here's the top 10 (based on pubs with a review/photo as a percentage of open pubs) Octobers rank in brackets

Reviews
1. Central London (3)
2. Greater London (4)
3. West Midlands (1)
4. North Yorks (2)
5. Kent (24)
6. Shropshire (9)
7. Hertfordshire (32)
8. Surrey (16)
9. Staffordshire (8)
10. East Riding of Yorkshire (5)

Photos
1. Essex (11th for reviews)
2. Central London
3. Isle of Man
4. Greater London
5. Lancashire
6. W Midlands
7. Buckinghamshire
8. W Yorks
9. Kent
10. Greater Manchester


The bottom five

Reviews
Shetland, Orkney, Armagh, Londonderry and Fermanagh

(for just England in reverse order Rutland, Nottinghamshire, Gloucestershire, Tyne & Wear, Lincolnshire)

Photos
Shetland, Orkney, Armagh, Western Isles and Londonderry
(for just England in reverse order Rutland, Tyne & Wear, Gloucestershire, Nottinghamshire, Leicestershire)

and finally where we have been busiest adding reviews between October and now (as a percentage rise)

1. Hertfordshire
2. E Sussex
3. Lothian
4. Kent
5. Central London
6. Borders
7. S Yorks
8. Gtr London
9. Shropshire
10. Antrim

[Conrad]

:D

You are always welcome to any numbers you want, but just in case you are bothered you should do your numbers as pubs with a review/photo as a percentage of all pubs.

I don't imagine it will make any real difference, but I would need to give you different numbers to supply that.

[oldboots]

It makes a small difference to the percent photographed, the Isle of Man moves up to top place, Manchester drops out and Central Scotland comes in, but then it's easier to photograph a closed pub than to review it :)

[Conrad]

Here is a more complete data file, it is taken from last nights backup as the query I wrote took 25 minutes to run :eek:.

Because we didn't get them at the time it is prohibitively complex to work out the state of play from last October.

[Andy Ven]

Call me a sad geek with too much time if you like

I was going to say that the most notable difference between you and I is the amount of time we have available until I stopped and thought how many evenings I had spent putting Birmingham into order. I thought about doing some similar analysis but you've saved me the trouble of indulging my particular aptitude ... or obsession, if that's a better word

[Andy Ven]

Absolutely! I'd be up there tomorrow given half the chance. We did a wildlife boat trip around Stroma, a small uninhabited island just off John O'Groats which is a must if you like that kind of thing although 100,000 guillemots perched in a cove do tend to reek a bit. We also went to the mainland and did the ancient sites (Skara Brae, the Ring of Brodgar etc) which are fascinating plus there are plenty of interesting WW1 & 2 sites as well as Scapa Flow where the German fleet was scuttled.

Sounds good. I quite fancy hiring a tourer and driving around in a big loop but I wouldn't want midges to spoil my holiday (I accept we can't do anything about the weather). What would be a good time of year?

[RogerB]

What would be a good time of year?

This is Scotland we're talking about. There is no good time of the year. You just have to get lucky! We were exceptionally lucky with the weather for the 2 weeks we were up there but there were plenty of midges around in June/July. Another thing to remember is that at the height of summer it doesn't get dark until 11ish so you get long days for exploring.

I must dig out my old photos - there might actually be some of the pubs that I can scan in.

[Andy Ven]

This is Scotland we're talking about. There is no good time of the year.

I'd just have to do what the Aussies do and talk through gritted teeth to stop me from swallowing any :-}

[RogerB]

Just spent the second half of the Man U v Munich game fingering my way through the 1000ish photos I took. It was actually 2002 so wasn't as long ago as I thought. For some reason there were plenty of Woolworths that crept into my photos but not a single pub!

[trainman]

there were plenty of Woolworths that crept into my photos but not a single pub!

That's just too bizarre, and more than a little unsettling.

[RogerB]

That's just too bizarre, and more than a little unsettling.

It wasn't intentional. I just happened to notice that every High Street photo (Wick, Thurso, Fort William, Oban) centred on a Woolworths. Maybe I should start a Pick N Mix Galore website or a "who's been to the most Woolworth's" thread. Also took some shots on Loch Ness and there this big dragony type thing in the background.

[oldboots]

Sounds good. I quite fancy hiring a tourer and driving around in a big loop but I wouldn't want midges to spoil my holiday (I accept we can't do anything about the weather). What would be a good time of year?

I've done the big loop twice for work (tough job :p) and once for pleasure, we went from Aberdeen across to Inverness up the coast to Wick, along the top then down the west coast ending back at Glasgow. Highlights were driving over Applecross, my wife's first sight of Glencoe, "that" cafe in Helmsdale and practically anything in Wester Ross. From experience the best time is late April-early June, you should normally avoid July and August at all costs. The "pubs" are not that special but there are a few gems. I find a suitable dose of alcohol in the blood will discourage midgies.

[trainman]

Also took some shots on Loch Ness and there this big dragony type thing in the background.

How annoying! There's always summat getting in the way of a good view...

[gillhalfpint]

Was he smoking as well?

There is always one......

[gillhalfpint]

I've done the big loop twice for work (tough job :p) and once for pleasure, we went from Aberdeen across to Inverness up the coast to Wick, along the top then down the west coast ending back at Glasgow. Highlights were driving over Applecross, my wife's first sight of Glencoe, "that" cafe in Helmsdale and practically anything in Wester Ross. From experience the best time is late April-early June, you should normally avoid July and August at all costs. The "pubs" are not that special but there are a few gems. I find a suitable dose of alcohol in the blood will discourage midgies.

We did the loop the other way round from Glasgow to Oban and up the west side, across the top, stayed at Bettyhill and John o Groats ( went to Orkneys) then down east side..

Loved Applecross. Loos by car park had sheep using them as a barn! Had to stop on a hairpin bend for deer to cross. Loved it. Highland Games at Durness.

Have to "do" Scotland at least bi-annually or suffer withdrawal symptoms. One place where beer is a bonus not a necessity.

[Andy Ven]

Are pub reviews and photos on your itinerary next time?

Did you do it by car or camper van (and, depending on your answer, what accommodatioon did you stay in or where did you hire the van from - or do you own your own?)

Apologies for so many questions but I'm interested in the logistics

[trainman]

Did you do it by car or camper van ?

Gill is our famous caravanning beer tourist and I, for one, both admire & envy the freedom & the mission!

[gillhalfpint]

Gill did that Scottish tour with a 5 man bungalow tent being towed in a trailer, but there was only 2 of us in it. Lovely and roomy. Stayed at Oban, Gairloch, Scourie on the way up, and realised why it was a 5 man tent when we were at Scourie and it was blowing from the frame like a blanket on a washing line and we needed extra men to hold it down while we got it pegged. Persevered the rest of the holiday without mishap though. Wonderful places up north that looked like moonscape. Rocky and wild.

Enjoying the luxury of pulling a touring caravan round now though. Cornwall for 3 weeks in May, Belgium for 3 weeks in June and so it goes on. The hardest part is the planning. So many places....

[Andy Ven]

I have another question. How long would you allow to travel the loop and see the sights?

[gillhalfpint]

We did it in 2 weeks. Most of it was spent going up the west side and across the top as they are the areas we love the most. It doesn't allow much time in each place though.

[Andy Ven]

Still sounds fun.

Would a camper van manage to negotiate the roads OK or would some sections be tricky in a large vehicle?

[gillhalfpint]

Camper van should be OK. When we did it we were in a Skoda pulling a trailer loaded with tent etc, and managed a few single tracks with passing places on our way round. It is a fun thing to do. We often found more foreigners than English on the campsites, especially Dutch, and I would love to do it again. Not sure about towing the caravan round though.

[Andy Ven]

I bought a big colour coffee table picture book last year from Amazon by Dennis Hardley called Secrets of Scotland. I planned a rough list of places to go to just from that but I will look into the places that you mentioned. Further research needed, I think.

[gillhalfpint]

Research is so hard. I could spend a couple of months on the west coast easily and not get bored.

Gairloch was a weird site. We drove on and saw folk wandering round looking like those Smash figures from the spud advert. Various coloured round heads. Turned out they were wearing muslin thin headscarves tied over their heads to keep midgies out. We made the mistake of setting a meal up outside the tent and were fair game for them. Only place we had bother though. Walked to Poolewe and back from there. A lot fitter then.

Scourie was wonderful. Tiered site curved round like an ampitheatre so everyone got a view. If you get there, have a drive down to Handa Island. If memory serves me right it is this road where the rocks look bare and moonscape like. Strange for Scotland.

Oh heck I will get mordling if I continue. Love it to bits and only going up on East side this year to Kinross area. Unless we just go in October....

Went to Loch Carron in December once, and hired a cottage about 10 years ago. That was amazing and as I love snow we did get some up there. Thats when we did the Applecross run. Lovely cottage by Sea Loch, and if tide was up it lapped on the cottage road we had to go to park up, and we drove over seaweed. It had a real fire and was so cosy though.

Always say we will be back....

[hopwas]

Sorry for me barge in but I couldn't help reading this thread.

Went to Scotland twice in 2006 and again 2007. Visited Lossiemouth, Edinburgh, Aberdeen, Nairn, Inverness, Elgin, Aviemore plus few small towns I can't remember. Best of all was viewing over Loch Ness in two seater plane (Which I was co-piloted) and Highland is just so awesome.. Would love go back again. Also loved these Scottish pubs especially 8/- beers...

[Andy Ven]

Please feel free to chip in. I'm going to print off comments and ask my Glasweigan friend during our Dudley crawl on Friday and see what he suggests as well.

[oldboots]

Please feel free to chip in. I'm going to print off comments and ask my Glasweigan friend during our Dudley crawl on Friday and see what he suggests as well.

If you have lots of time and want to see a lot of Western Scotland you could go from Glasgow up the A82 along the side of Loch Lomond. At Tarbet you could go into Argyll and head down Loch Fyne from Inverary then head to Lochgilphead. Here you can go south to Kintyre or just go as far as West Tarbert and get a ferry to Islay - 9, or is it 10 now, distilleries and 1 brewery. If you head north from Lochgilphead to Oban you can go to Mull and back in a day, then head back on the A85 towards Tyndrum - the detour through Glen Orchy is extremely nice and you come out at Bridge of Orchy. Rejoin the A82 and cross Rannoch Moor then go slowly through Glencoe. Head then to Fort William where you could take the road to the Isles and Mallaig. Don't forget Ben Nevis is here. Heading up the A82 please stop at the Commando memorial for a moment, just up the hill from Spean Bridge. Going up the Great Glen I like to turn off at Invergarry and head out on the A87 past the Five Sisters of Kintail and Eilean Donan castle. You can then head over to Skye for a couple of days, (as well as Talisker there's a brewery at Uig at the ferry port) or go up the Stromeferry road on the scenic tourist route (with the famous "No Ferry" sign). Go into Lochcarron where there's a couple of decent hotels then you can tackle the road to Applecross - the highest public road in Britain. Single track, hairpin bends and sheer drops, great fun if the weather is clear, superb dramatic scenery and views of Skye. From here stick to the coast and at Kinlochewe make the trip up the side of Loch Maree to Poolewe - a place with a fascinating World War 2 history. From there head for Ullapool and the Falls of Measach on the way, I've always missed them but they're meant to be spectacular. From Ullapool you can get a ferry out to the Western Isles if you feel like it, an interesting experience. Carry on up the coast for Scourie and Cape Wrath and then Tongue. You could go on as far as Dounray, Thurso and John O Groats or turn south through Glen Naver. Either is good and one way or the other you would end up near Dingwall and a short drive into Inverness. From there you can go back down the Great Glen taking in Loch Ness or use the A9 down to Perth or go over to Aberdeen for a view of the northern Lowlands, a very different type of Scotland to the Highlands. A word of warning, there's very little traffic in the extreme North West, everyone is curteous but they like to drive at 80mph all the time. There are of course other fine parts of Scotland, the exciting city of Glasgow, Dumfries & Galloway, Ayrshire, Edinburgh and the Borders for example but the North West is my favourite.

[gillhalfpint]

Its so good to hear someone else raving about the places I love. So many of my friends down here say Scotland - why go there - its full of midges!!

They don't know what they are missing.

[Andy Ven]

Cheers, oldboots. All advice is most welcome

[Andy Ven]

Just to feedback some comments of my Glaswegian mate.:

Oban is a working port so there are salt-of-the-earth types around there but Connel Bridge and Port Appin nearby are both nice.

He also mentioned Plockton, Skye, Ullapool, the Great Glen Road acros to Inverness then down to the bottom of Loch Ness then further down and cut across at Invergarry to the A9 to Dalwhinnie then north and east to Braemar or Perthshire.

Gairloch - quite nice
Glencoe - with its wild goats is a must see
Inverary - quite nice, nice castle

He wasn't very complimentary about Fort William. There's not much there for the locals and therefore has its social problems.

I also found this website which looks quite useful http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/index.html

[Andy Ven]

Conrad,

Just to go back to the original thrust of this thread, is there any chance you could generate some updated stats for each county so we can see which ones are lacking coverage?

[Conrad]

I am a little strapped for time at the moment, but made a note of it and hopefully should be able to rattle it up over the next week or two, feel free to hassle me if not done in a week though.

[Andy Ven]

Cheers. I thought as summer is coming up, we're all planning our holidays and you have a new army of forum posters we could plug some gaps ;)

[Conrad]

Well taken from yesterdays backup, hopefully I got the query right :o

Bedfordshire, England
551 Pubs
477 Open pubs
233 Reviews
180 Pubs with reviews
1081 Photos
260 Pubs with photo

Berkshire, England
777 Pubs
678 Open pubs
511 Reviews
351 Pubs with reviews
1609 Photos
390 Pubs with photo

Buckinghamshire, England
586 Pubs
527 Open pubs
211 Reviews
163 Pubs with reviews
1101 Photos
509 Pubs with photo

Cambridgeshire, England
757 Pubs
679 Open pubs
261 Reviews
192 Pubs with reviews
1758 Photos
392 Pubs with photo

Central London, England
2802 Pubs
2045 Open pubs
3827 Reviews
1644 Pubs with reviews
24062 Photos
2729 Pubs with photo

Cheshire, England
1059 Pubs
981 Open pubs
603 Reviews
409 Pubs with reviews
1610 Photos
812 Pubs with photo

Cornwall, England
677 Pubs
661 Open pubs
422 Reviews
266 Pubs with reviews
912 Photos
394 Pubs with photo

County Durham, England
883 Pubs
816 Open pubs
263 Reviews
190 Pubs with reviews
482 Photos
296 Pubs with photo

Cumbria, England
874 Pubs
830 Open pubs
256 Reviews
189 Pubs with reviews
933 Photos
468 Pubs with photo

Derbyshire, England
1280 Pubs
1207 Open pubs
596 Reviews
447 Pubs with reviews
1183 Photos
728 Pubs with photo

Devon, England
1360 Pubs
1313 Open pubs
463 Reviews
343 Pubs with reviews
3085 Photos
793 Pubs with photo

Dorset, England
648 Pubs
607 Open pubs
428 Reviews
284 Pubs with reviews
611 Photos
277 Pubs with photo

East Riding of Yorkshire, England
527 Pubs
507 Open pubs
470 Reviews
320 Pubs with reviews
507 Photos
351 Pubs with photo

East Sussex, England
790 Pubs
737 Open pubs
515 Reviews
331 Pubs with reviews
2906 Photos
680 Pubs with photo

Essex, England
1519 Pubs
1151 Open pubs
653 Reviews
473 Pubs with reviews
9944 Photos
1496 Pubs with photo

Gloucestershire, England
654 Pubs
626 Open pubs
138 Reviews
112 Pubs with reviews
250 Photos
167 Pubs with photo

Greater Bristol, England
731 Pubs
642 Open pubs
588 Reviews
360 Pubs with reviews
733 Photos
426 Pubs with photo

Greater London, England
3122 Pubs
2503 Open pubs
3114 Reviews
1878 Pubs with reviews
12742 Photos
2851 Pubs with photo

Greater Manchester, England
2879 Pubs
2424 Open pubs
1514 Reviews
1097 Pubs with reviews
5733 Photos
2414 Pubs with photo

Hampshire, England
1451 Pubs
1274 Open pubs
846 Reviews
575 Pubs with reviews
2688 Photos
898 Pubs with photo

Herefordshire, England
262 Pubs
251 Open pubs
94 Reviews
72 Pubs with reviews
157 Photos
98 Pubs with photo

Hertfordshire, England
1017 Pubs
851 Open pubs
657 Reviews
412 Pubs with reviews
4092 Photos
824 Pubs with photo

Isle Of Wight, England
168 Pubs
161 Open pubs
88 Reviews
63 Pubs with reviews
272 Photos
111 Pubs with photo

Kent, England
1787 Pubs
1465 Open pubs
1116 Reviews
829 Pubs with reviews
10571 Photos
1645 Pubs with photo

Lancashire, England
1789 Pubs
1470 Open pubs
780 Reviews
622 Pubs with reviews
3934 Photos
1620 Pubs with photo

Leicestershire, England
814 Pubs
766 Open pubs
294 Reviews
225 Pubs with reviews
732 Photos
246 Pubs with photo

Lincolnshire, England
1053 Pubs
1017 Open pubs
272 Reviews
215 Pubs with reviews
701 Photos
304 Pubs with photo

Merseyside, England
1202 Pubs
1066 Open pubs
392 Reviews
262 Pubs with reviews
1200 Photos
787 Pubs with photo

Norfolk, England
1169 Pubs
906 Open pubs
332 Reviews
249 Pubs with reviews
4648 Photos
685 Pubs with photo

North Yorkshire, England
1457 Pubs
1377 Open pubs
1390 Reviews
756 Pubs with reviews
2634 Photos
1045 Pubs with photo

Northamptonshire, England
494 Pubs
480 Open pubs
149 Reviews
119 Pubs with reviews
422 Photos
144 Pubs with photo

Northumberland, England
344 Pubs
337 Open pubs
138 Reviews
96 Pubs with reviews
228 Photos
141 Pubs with photo

Nottinghamshire, England
1075 Pubs
956 Open pubs
511 Reviews
400 Pubs with reviews
805 Photos
526 Pubs with photo

Oxfordshire, England
788 Pubs
747 Open pubs
236 Reviews
193 Pubs with reviews
545 Photos
245 Pubs with photo

Rutland, England
56 Pubs
54 Open pubs
10 Reviews
10 Pubs with reviews
24 Photos
17 Pubs with photo

Shropshire, England
709 Pubs
631 Open pubs
662 Reviews
346 Pubs with reviews
883 Photos
538 Pubs with photo

Somerset, England
957 Pubs
880 Open pubs
499 Reviews
327 Pubs with reviews
1117 Photos
422 Pubs with photo

South Yorkshire, England
1294 Pubs
1120 Open pubs
510 Reviews
353 Pubs with reviews
1442 Photos
822 Pubs with photo

Staffordshire, England
1179 Pubs
1045 Open pubs
877 Reviews
539 Pubs with reviews
1087 Photos
586 Pubs with photo

Suffolk, England
1173 Pubs
804 Open pubs
228 Reviews
179 Pubs with reviews
6066 Photos
916 Pubs with photo

Surrey, England
856 Pubs
764 Open pubs
775 Reviews
513 Pubs with reviews
1612 Photos
528 Pubs with photo

Tyne & Wear, England
870 Pubs
831 Open pubs
242 Reviews
154 Pubs with reviews
366 Photos
253 Pubs with photo

Warwickshire, England
555 Pubs
526 Open pubs
284 Reviews
192 Pubs with reviews
431 Photos
254 Pubs with photo

West Midlands, England
2327 Pubs
1816 Open pubs
2299 Reviews
1366 Pubs with reviews
3595 Photos
1914 Pubs with photo

West Sussex, England
602 Pubs
564 Open pubs
274 Reviews
196 Pubs with reviews
1086 Photos
377 Pubs with photo

West Yorkshire, England
2538 Pubs
2137 Open pubs
1244 Reviews
838 Pubs with reviews
3966 Photos
2102 Pubs with photo

Wiltshire, England
747 Pubs
683 Open pubs
392 Reviews
271 Pubs with reviews
748 Photos
317 Pubs with photo

Worcestershire, England
608 Pubs
579 Open pubs
224 Reviews
177 Pubs with reviews
540 Photos
314 Pubs with photo

Isle of Man, Isle of Man
96 Pubs
89 Open pubs
45 Reviews
36 Pubs with reviews
197 Photos
95 Pubs with photo

Antrim, Northern Ireland
355 Pubs
354 Open pubs
75 Reviews
55 Pubs with reviews
84 Photos
53 Pubs with photo

Armagh, Northern Ireland
82 Pubs
82 Open pubs
1 Reviews
1 Pubs with reviews
0 Photos
0 Pubs with photo

Down, Northern Ireland
228 Pubs
223 Open pubs
13 Reviews
12 Pubs with reviews
10 Photos
5 Pubs with photo

Fermanagh, Northern Ireland
56 Pubs
56 Open pubs
1 Reviews
1 Pubs with reviews
3 Photos
3 Pubs with photo

Londonderry, Northern Ireland
153 Pubs
152 Open pubs
3 Reviews
3 Pubs with reviews
5 Photos
4 Pubs with photo

Tyrone, Northern Ireland
130 Pubs
130 Open pubs
4 Reviews
4 Pubs with reviews
2 Photos
2 Pubs with photo

Borders, Scotland
155 Pubs
148 Open pubs
28 Reviews
27 Pubs with reviews
73 Photos
54 Pubs with photo

Central, Scotland
297 Pubs
283 Open pubs
67 Reviews
57 Pubs with reviews
319 Photos
244 Pubs with photo

Dumfries and Galloway, Scotland
213 Pubs
209 Open pubs
67 Reviews
47 Pubs with reviews
162 Photos
92 Pubs with photo

Fife, Scotland
316 Pubs
310 Open pubs
44 Reviews
34 Pubs with reviews
140 Photos
86 Pubs with photo

Grampian, Scotland
461 Pubs
447 Open pubs
111 Reviews
81 Pubs with reviews
416 Photos
172 Pubs with photo

Highland, Scotland
385 Pubs
382 Open pubs
77 Reviews
59 Pubs with reviews
188 Photos
126 Pubs with photo

Lothian, Scotland
837 Pubs
746 Open pubs
376 Reviews
265 Pubs with reviews
1032 Photos
669 Pubs with photo

Orkney, Scotland
24 Pubs
24 Open pubs
1 Reviews
1 Pubs with reviews
0 Photos
0 Pubs with photo

Shetland Islands, Scotland
19 Pubs
19 Open pubs
0 Reviews
0 Pubs with reviews
0 Photos
0 Pubs with photo

Strathclyde, Scotland
1615 Pubs
1577 Open pubs
339 Reviews
279 Pubs with reviews
562 Photos
392 Pubs with photo

Tayside, Scotland
492 Pubs
484 Open pubs
71 Reviews
59 Pubs with reviews
92 Photos
54 Pubs with photo

Western Isles, Scotland
10 Pubs
10 Open pubs
6 Reviews
6 Pubs with reviews
7 Photos
5 Pubs with photo

Clwyd, Wales
543 Pubs
511 Open pubs
127 Reviews
98 Pubs with reviews
477 Photos
260 Pubs with photo

Dyfed, Wales
543 Pubs
518 Open pubs
196 Reviews
162 Pubs with reviews
451 Photos
234 Pubs with photo

Gwent, Wales
446 Pubs
440 Open pubs
50 Reviews
40 Pubs with reviews
105 Photos
84 Pubs with photo

Gwynedd, Wales
341 Pubs
329 Open pubs
149 Reviews
102 Pubs with reviews
275 Photos
133 Pubs with photo

Mid Glamorgan, Wales
439 Pubs
409 Open pubs
103 Reviews
87 Pubs with reviews
146 Photos
124 Pubs with photo

Powys, Wales
203 Pubs
196 Open pubs
51 Reviews
47 Pubs with reviews
114 Photos
82 Pubs with photo

South Glamorgan, Wales
306 Pubs
301 Open pubs
61 Reviews
41 Pubs with reviews
168 Photos
84 Pubs with photo

West Glamorgan, Wales
382 Pubs
374 Open pubs
83 Reviews
61 Pubs with reviews
166 Photos
112 Pubs with photo

[gillhalfpint]

Anyone fancy a holiday in Orkney to review and photograph the 24 pubs there.

Or any of the Islands off Scotland.

[Farway]

Londonderry is a bit thin as well, or is "Pub photography" and note taking a very risky business in Nor'n Ireland?

[ROBCamra]

Londonderry is a bit thin as well, or is "Pub photography" and note taking a very risky business in Nor'n Ireland?

Well we're off to Belfast for a few days soon which might help Antrim a little. Armagh is even worse with only 1 pub with a review!! :eek:

[Andy Ven]

What becomes apparent from this data is that the largest conurbations in England are well covered but pubs in Northern Ireland, Wales and the top half of Scotland are short on reviews and photographs. According to the CAMRA website, there are just 10 Scottish CAMRA branches, 1 Northern Ireland branch, and 17 Welsh Branches. That's not too many to e-mail to ask them to post a PG link to their website (quid pro quo)!

In England, Gloucestershire, Lincolnshire and Tyne and Wear need a boost

[Andy Ven]

Just discovered that only 5 of the 13 CAMRA branches in South and mid-Wales have a website, although virtually branches in North Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland have a website (Dumfries being the exception).

Conrad / Dave - is it still possible to add a web link to the page for each postal town? I started with Cardiff http://www.cardiffcamra.co.uk/ but couldn't see a button to suggest a link :confused:.

[Dave M]

Conrad / Dave - is it still possible to add a web link to the page for each postal town? I started with Cardiff http://www.cardiffcamra.co.uk/ but couldn't see a button to suggest a link :confused:.
At the moment it is not possible.

The town link functionality needs rewriting to work with the new pages. As we don't exactly have that many of them we decided it wasn't as high priority as actually getting the new areas changes out.

To be fair though some this stuff was covered last year and we came up with a much better offering to CAMRA branches (http://forums.pubsgalore.co.uk/showthread.php?2300-Site-promotion). So far Forth Valley are still the only branch to get all the extra promotion.

[Andy Ven]

I remember the thread. I tried a few local branches to no avail but I thought I'd have a go at the areas on PG where there isn't much coverage, such as the Welsh CAMRA branches.