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03-02-2015, 14:24
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There have been a growing number of schemes where the police have started “requesting” nightclubs to breath-test customers before allowing them entry, for example in Loughborough (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-29276021) and more recently in Croydon (http://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/Town-centre-drinkers-face-breathalyser-test/story-25950075-detail/story.html), where some pubs are also included. The maximum permissible alcohol level seems to be generally set at twice the English drink-drive limit. Some have said “that’s only four pints”, but in reality two pints will keep a man below the driving limit, and two and a half or three would be needed to reach it, so realistically it’s more like six or seven pints. Even so, that’s a level many people will reach on a weekend night out.
This sets a somewhat disturbing precedent of the authorities seeking to monitor pedestrians’ alcohol levels even if they’re not obviously “drunk”. Chris Snowdon has suggested that it represents something of an unholy alliance (http://www.iea.org.uk/blog/the-police-should-not-be-in-the-cocktail-business) between the puritans and the nightclub bosses, to discourage punters from pre-loading at Tesco or Wetherspoon’s, In principle, this is a good point, but the Association of Licensed Multiple Retailers (ALMR) have come out strongly against it, and I would expect the overall result would be to deter customers from visiting nightclubs. I doubt whether on balance they will benefit from it.
As it stands, it probably won’t affect you, and it certainly won’t affect me, but it’s easy to see the principle being extended, especially as the Croydon scheme includes pubs too. In five years’ time, will we see the CAMRA posse being refused admission to the final call on the pub crawl due to having imbibed too much Old Snotgobbler earlier in the evening?
It may seem far-fetched, but there have been serious proposals to introduce drink-walk limits for pedestrians in both Australia (http://www.news.com.au/national/keep-roads-safe-breath-test-pedestrians/story-e6frfkvr-1225862347940) and Spain (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/28/spain-proposal-to-breathalyse-pedestrians). You can sort of see the argument behind this, as apparently 40% of all pedestrian fatalities are above the drink-drive limit, rising to 80% between 10 pm and 4 am. But it would represent a drastic curtailment of individual freedom to protect a few people from themselves, and would really put a dampener on any kind of celebration or festivities outside the house. The effect of alcohol on individuals varies widely, and some may be falling over at 160mg, while others will still be entirely compos mentis.
As with many such ideas, it may at present seem outlandish and laughable. But, by raising the subject, it has opened an Overton Window (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window) through which it becomes included within the scope of serious debate. And, twenty years ago, many would have dismissed the idea of a blanket ban on smoking in enclosed public places as equally unrealistic...
Mind you, every cloud has a silver lining, and at least it would mean that at long last cyclists were brought within the scope of breath testing.
More... (http://pubcurmudgeon.blogspot.com/2015/02/not-fit-to-be-out.html)
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There have been a growing number of schemes where the police have started “requesting” nightclubs to breath-test customers before allowing them entry, for example in Loughborough (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-29276021) and more recently in Croydon (http://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/Town-centre-drinkers-face-breathalyser-test/story-25950075-detail/story.html), where some pubs are also included. The maximum permissible alcohol level seems to be generally set at twice the English drink-drive limit. Some have said “that’s only four pints”, but in reality two pints will keep a man below the driving limit, and two and a half or three would be needed to reach it, so realistically it’s more like six or seven pints. Even so, that’s a level many people will reach on a weekend night out.
This sets a somewhat disturbing precedent of the authorities seeking to monitor pedestrians’ alcohol levels even if they’re not obviously “drunk”. Chris Snowdon has suggested that it represents something of an unholy alliance (http://www.iea.org.uk/blog/the-police-should-not-be-in-the-cocktail-business) between the puritans and the nightclub bosses, to discourage punters from pre-loading at Tesco or Wetherspoon’s, In principle, this is a good point, but the Association of Licensed Multiple Retailers (ALMR) have come out strongly against it, and I would expect the overall result would be to deter customers from visiting nightclubs. I doubt whether on balance they will benefit from it.
As it stands, it probably won’t affect you, and it certainly won’t affect me, but it’s easy to see the principle being extended, especially as the Croydon scheme includes pubs too. In five years’ time, will we see the CAMRA posse being refused admission to the final call on the pub crawl due to having imbibed too much Old Snotgobbler earlier in the evening?
It may seem far-fetched, but there have been serious proposals to introduce drink-walk limits for pedestrians in both Australia (http://www.news.com.au/national/keep-roads-safe-breath-test-pedestrians/story-e6frfkvr-1225862347940) and Spain (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/28/spain-proposal-to-breathalyse-pedestrians). You can sort of see the argument behind this, as apparently 40% of all pedestrian fatalities are above the drink-drive limit, rising to 80% between 10 pm and 4 am. But it would represent a drastic curtailment of individual freedom to protect a few people from themselves, and would really put a dampener on any kind of celebration or festivities outside the house. The effect of alcohol on individuals varies widely, and some may be falling over at 160mg, while others will still be entirely compos mentis.
As with many such ideas, it may at present seem outlandish and laughable. But, by raising the subject, it has opened an Overton Window (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window) through which it becomes included within the scope of serious debate. And, twenty years ago, many would have dismissed the idea of a blanket ban on smoking in enclosed public places as equally unrealistic...
Mind you, every cloud has a silver lining, and at least it would mean that at long last cyclists were brought within the scope of breath testing.
More... (http://pubcurmudgeon.blogspot.com/2015/02/not-fit-to-be-out.html)