hell's bells

[hondo]

"we have sent a cease and desist letter to this other brewery"
http://www.camdentownbrewery.com/the-home-of-hells/

"brewery have given us 7 days to stop making"
http://www.redwellbrewing.com/open-letter-to-camden-brewery.html


http://www.camdentownbrewery.com/hells-lager/ and http://www.redwellbrewing.com/year-round-beers.html the labels are different as usual the lawyers will be laughing all the way to the bank

[Mobyduck]

Redwell have had problems (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-23697138) in the past. But it turned out OK for them last time (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/red-bull-backs-down-over-name-dispute-with-redwell-brewery-8764768.html).

[Strongers]

The way I see it is that ‘Hell’ is a type of beer and not a brand name. A brewery wouldn’t be able to trademark the words ‘porter’ or ‘stout’ would they?

As Hondo has said, the labels don’t look the same at all! I think I’ll have to side with Redwell on this one.


Boo and hiss to CTB!!!

[sheffield hatter]

The way I see it is that ‘Hell’ is a type of beer and not a brand name. A brewery wouldn’t be able to trademark the words ‘porter’ or ‘stout’ would they?

"Hell" is a German word meaning "light". "Helles Bier" or "Helles" is a type of lager. "Hells" is not, as far as I can make out, a word in German. What Camden (and Redwell, seemingly) have done is to blur the words to make a new Hells Lager. ("Helles" is pronounced hell-ez, i.e. the second E has a value and is not ignored as in the English surname Welles.) So, much as I hate the "bully boy" tactics of Camden, and deplore the involvement of lawyers, I am inclined to think that they may well have right on their side this time.

Why don't Redwell just go with Helles Craft Lager?

[Aqualung]

"we have sent a cease and desist letter to this other brewery"
http://www.camdentownbrewery.com/the-home-of-hells/

"brewery have given us 7 days to stop making"
http://www.redwellbrewing.com/open-letter-to-camden-brewery.html


http://www.camdentownbrewery.com/hells-lager/ and http://www.redwellbrewing.com/year-round-beers.html the labels are different as usual the lawyers will be laughing all the way to the bank


Sadly Camden have form for this. When Weird Beard teamed up with Camden Brewdog to brew a beer they called it Camden Beard and CTB started throwing all of their toys out of the pram. I found this utterly pathetic and promoted CTB to the top of my avoid list.

On the face of it I thought they had a better case here but was unaware of the generic Hell tag, does this include Hells?
If they bully Redwell into backing down like tbey did with Weird Beard then I hope someone like Greene King come along and produce a Hells Lager.

EDIT: My question about Hells has been answered above!

[hondo]

Why don't Redwell just go with Helles Craft Lager? or hell

[hondo]

The way I see it is that ‘Hell’ is a type of beer and not a brand name. A brewery wouldn’t be able to trademark the words ‘porter’ or ‘stout’ would they?

As Hondo has said, the labels don’t look the same at all! I think I’ll have to side with Redwell on this one.


Boo and hiss to CTB!!!



there was a big dispute in New Zealand and db breweries managed to trademark "radler" in that country

[london calling]

I think Camden Hells is a very good beer and that Redwell are copying them.How difficult would it be to change the name slightly.Hows about Go to Hell Camden.

[Aqualung]

I see Westerham Brewery have a cask lager called Helles Belles.