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Here's the final set of Hoare beers from the 1920's and 1930's.
I realise I've been a bit thick again. On page 119 in "The Red Lion Brewery" there's a photo of a Hoare price list of draught beers. Now I've looked at it properly, I can see that I made a few mistakes in this series of Hoare's beers.
Biggest surprise was seeing two draught Stouts. It explains quite a bit. My analyses were for two different beers. That's why the gravities seemed a bit odd.
Something similar is going on with their Strong Ale. The one called XXX wasn't really a Strong Ale at all, but a stronger Mild. Though it's called Strong Ale in the Truman Gravity Book. Whitbread correctly identified it as XXX, but called Hoare's Burton KK, when the official name was XXXX. Confused?
There were also two different Milds amongst the samples, XX and XXX. Though both were called X in the Gravity Books.
In addition there are three beers for which I appear to have no samples at all: X, LA and IPA. It's annoying that the latter is missing. I can't recall another London IPA that was so strong. Unlike Barclay Perkins and Whitbread, Hoare's IPA was stronger than their PA. I understand now why only their Ordinary Bitter appeared with the other PA's in the Gravity Books. Because that was the beer Hoare called PA.
Here's what's in the price list:
Hoare draught beers September 1931
name
description
price per barrel (shillings)
retail price per pint
X
Mild Ale
98
5d
XX
Mild Ale
116
6d
XXX
Mild Ale
138
7d
XXXX
Burton Ale
184
9d
P
Porter
116
6d
S
Stout
160
8d
DS
Double Stout
184
9d
LA
Country Ale
98
5d
PA
Pale Ale
160
8d
IPA
India Pale Ale
184
9d
Source:
Hoare's price list.
And here's what the gravities of them all are. Mostly taken from analyses, but, in the case of X, LA and IPA, I've guessed them.
Hoare draught beer prices and OG 1923 - 1931
name
description
OG
retail price per pint
X
Mild Ale
1028
4d
XX
Mild Ale
1034
5d
XXX
Mild Ale
1045
6d
XXXX
Burton Ale
1054
8d
P
Porter
1034
5d
S
Stout
1046
7d
DS
Double Stout
1054
8d
LA
Country Ale
1028
4d
PA
Pale Ale
1047
7d
IPA
India Pale Ale
1054
8d
LA is a funny one. From its position on the price list, it must be a Pale Ale. But a very low gravity one. I've not seen an equivalent beer from other London brewers, though I have seen similar ones from country brewers. Whitbread had a beer called LA, but that was a 4d Mild Ale.
It wouldn't surprise me if there were only three base brews from which all these beers were parti-gyled: one for X, XX, XXX and XXXX; one for P, S and DS;; and one for LA, PA and IPA.
The Burton (XXXX for Hoare, KK or Strong Ale below) is very typical: mid 1050's and around 5% ABV. XXX at 1045 is right up at the top end gravity-wise of a 6d Mild. Most rival examples were a couple of degrees lower.
The one bottled example, Imperial Ale, is an intriguing one. It looks a similar beer to Barclay Perkin KK (Bottling), which was marketed as Old Southwarke Ale and had a gravity of around 1070.
Hoare Strong Ale 1922 - 1933
Year
Beer
Price
size
package
Acidity
FG
OG
ABV
App. Atten-uation
1922
KK
9d
pint
draught
1015.5
1056.5
5.33
72.57%
1923
KK
9d
pint
draught
1015
1055.5
5.26
72.97%
1923
KK
8d
pint
draught
1017
1055
4.93
69.09%
1926
Strong Ale
8d
pint
draught
1052.2
1927
Strong Ale
8d
pint
draught
1054.2
1928
KK
8d
pint
draught
1011.5
1052.1
5.28
77.93%
1928
Strong Ale
8d
pint
draught
1045
1929
KK
8d
pint
draught
0.07
1017.5
1055.3
4.90
68.35%
1930
KK
8d
pint
draught
1016.5
1055
4.99
70.00%
1930
Strong Ale
8d
pint
draught
1046.08
1930
Strong Ale
8d
pint
draught
1053.2
1931
KK
8d
pint
draught
0.06
1015.9
1052.3
4.72
69.60%
1931
XXX
8d
pint
draught
0.07
1010
1045
4.55
77.78%
1932
Strong Ale
8d
pint
draught
1047.6
1932
Strong Ale
8d
pint
draught
1043.7
1933
Imperial Ale
9d
half
bottled
0.10
1015.5
1077.9
8.18
80.10%
1933
XXX
7d
pint
draught
0.08
1011.7
1046
4.45
74.57%
1933
Strong Ale
8d
pint
draught
1049.4
1933
Strong Ale
7d
pint
draught
1047.13
Sources:
Whitbread Gravity book held at the London Metropolitan Archives, document number LMA/4453/D/02/001
Truman Gravity Book held at the London Metropolitan Archives, document number B/THB/C/252
It seems like we've been on this series for ever. What will I do myself now it's done?
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Here's the final set of Hoare beers from the 1920's and 1930's.
I realise I've been a bit thick again. On page 119 in "The Red Lion Brewery" there's a photo of a Hoare price list of draught beers. Now I've looked at it properly, I can see that I made a few mistakes in this series of Hoare's beers.
Biggest surprise was seeing two draught Stouts. It explains quite a bit. My analyses were for two different beers. That's why the gravities seemed a bit odd.
Something similar is going on with their Strong Ale. The one called XXX wasn't really a Strong Ale at all, but a stronger Mild. Though it's called Strong Ale in the Truman Gravity Book. Whitbread correctly identified it as XXX, but called Hoare's Burton KK, when the official name was XXXX. Confused?
There were also two different Milds amongst the samples, XX and XXX. Though both were called X in the Gravity Books.
In addition there are three beers for which I appear to have no samples at all: X, LA and IPA. It's annoying that the latter is missing. I can't recall another London IPA that was so strong. Unlike Barclay Perkins and Whitbread, Hoare's IPA was stronger than their PA. I understand now why only their Ordinary Bitter appeared with the other PA's in the Gravity Books. Because that was the beer Hoare called PA.
Here's what's in the price list:
Hoare draught beers September 1931
name
description
price per barrel (shillings)
retail price per pint
X
Mild Ale
98
5d
XX
Mild Ale
116
6d
XXX
Mild Ale
138
7d
XXXX
Burton Ale
184
9d
P
Porter
116
6d
S
Stout
160
8d
DS
Double Stout
184
9d
LA
Country Ale
98
5d
PA
Pale Ale
160
8d
IPA
India Pale Ale
184
9d
Source:
Hoare's price list.
And here's what the gravities of them all are. Mostly taken from analyses, but, in the case of X, LA and IPA, I've guessed them.
Hoare draught beer prices and OG 1923 - 1931
name
description
OG
retail price per pint
X
Mild Ale
1028
4d
XX
Mild Ale
1034
5d
XXX
Mild Ale
1045
6d
XXXX
Burton Ale
1054
8d
P
Porter
1034
5d
S
Stout
1046
7d
DS
Double Stout
1054
8d
LA
Country Ale
1028
4d
PA
Pale Ale
1047
7d
IPA
India Pale Ale
1054
8d
LA is a funny one. From its position on the price list, it must be a Pale Ale. But a very low gravity one. I've not seen an equivalent beer from other London brewers, though I have seen similar ones from country brewers. Whitbread had a beer called LA, but that was a 4d Mild Ale.
It wouldn't surprise me if there were only three base brews from which all these beers were parti-gyled: one for X, XX, XXX and XXXX; one for P, S and DS;; and one for LA, PA and IPA.
The Burton (XXXX for Hoare, KK or Strong Ale below) is very typical: mid 1050's and around 5% ABV. XXX at 1045 is right up at the top end gravity-wise of a 6d Mild. Most rival examples were a couple of degrees lower.
The one bottled example, Imperial Ale, is an intriguing one. It looks a similar beer to Barclay Perkin KK (Bottling), which was marketed as Old Southwarke Ale and had a gravity of around 1070.
Hoare Strong Ale 1922 - 1933
Year
Beer
Price
size
package
Acidity
FG
OG
ABV
App. Atten-uation
1922
KK
9d
pint
draught
1015.5
1056.5
5.33
72.57%
1923
KK
9d
pint
draught
1015
1055.5
5.26
72.97%
1923
KK
8d
pint
draught
1017
1055
4.93
69.09%
1926
Strong Ale
8d
pint
draught
1052.2
1927
Strong Ale
8d
pint
draught
1054.2
1928
KK
8d
pint
draught
1011.5
1052.1
5.28
77.93%
1928
Strong Ale
8d
pint
draught
1045
1929
KK
8d
pint
draught
0.07
1017.5
1055.3
4.90
68.35%
1930
KK
8d
pint
draught
1016.5
1055
4.99
70.00%
1930
Strong Ale
8d
pint
draught
1046.08
1930
Strong Ale
8d
pint
draught
1053.2
1931
KK
8d
pint
draught
0.06
1015.9
1052.3
4.72
69.60%
1931
XXX
8d
pint
draught
0.07
1010
1045
4.55
77.78%
1932
Strong Ale
8d
pint
draught
1047.6
1932
Strong Ale
8d
pint
draught
1043.7
1933
Imperial Ale
9d
half
bottled
0.10
1015.5
1077.9
8.18
80.10%
1933
XXX
7d
pint
draught
0.08
1011.7
1046
4.45
74.57%
1933
Strong Ale
8d
pint
draught
1049.4
1933
Strong Ale
7d
pint
draught
1047.13
Sources:
Whitbread Gravity book held at the London Metropolitan Archives, document number LMA/4453/D/02/001
Truman Gravity Book held at the London Metropolitan Archives, document number B/THB/C/252
It seems like we've been on this series for ever. What will I do myself now it's done?
More... (http://barclayperkins.blogspot.com/2014/05/hoare-strong-ale-1922-1933.html)