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I promised you some more Amsdell fun and here it is. The same table as before, just this time with added analysis. Exciting or what?

Let's start with the old table:




Amsdell of Albany beers 1901 – 1904


Date
Year
Beer
Style
OG
FG
ABV
App. Atten-uation
lbs hops/ qtr
hops lb/US brl
hops lb/Imp brl
boil time (hours)


22nd Jan
1901
Polar
Ale
1054
1019.2
4.61
64.55%
6.01
1.15
1.61
1


24th Jan
1901
XX
Ale
1052.6
1016.4
4.8
68.93%
6.33
1.8
2.52
1


20th Mar
1901
Diamond
Stock Ale
1081.7
1028
7.11
65.76%
8.08
2.42
3.39
1


1st Apr
1901
XX
Ale
1054.6
1019.6
4.63
64.16%
6.23
1.61
2.26
1


24th May
1901
Scotch
Scotch Ale
1066.6
1023.6
5.7
64.64%
5.55
1.95
2.73
1.5


27th May
1901
XX
Ale
1059.7
1022.4
4.94
62.56%
5.82
1.23
1.72
1.25


22nd Oct
1901
Pale XX
Ale
1054.2
1017.2
4.89
68.33%
5.51
1.02
1.43
1



1904
Burton
Stock Ale
1075.8






2


12th Apr
1904
Diamond
Stock Ale
1074
1020.8
7.04
71.96%
8.29
2.27
3.18
1


14th Nov
1904
XX Winter
Ale
1058
1019.2
5.13
66.95%
5.75
1.12
1.57
1


24th Mar
1905
India Pale Ale
IPA
1077.6
1029.2
6.4
62.35%
4.85
2.25
3.15
1


1st May
1905
Scotch
Scotch Ale
1062.7
1019.2
5.76
69.46%
5.26
1.15
1.61
1



http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Q-XAf0_Ygj0/UHflhzkPCQI/AAAAAAAALuw/S2HCVLEb0pk/s320/Amsdell_Beers_1901_1904.jpg (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Q-XAf0_Ygj0/UHflhzkPCQI/AAAAAAAALuw/S2HCVLEb0pk/s1600/Amsdell_Beers_1901_1904.jpg)

And here's one of the beers from Whitbread in London from around the same time:




Whitbread beers 1901 - 1902


Date
Year
Beer
Style
OG
FG
ABV
App. Attenuation
lbs hops/ qtr
hops lb/brl
boil time (hours)
boil time (hours)


14th Mar
1901
P
Porter
1055.1
1015.0
5.31
72.79%
7.37
1.72
1.75
1.75


8th May
1901
S
Stout
1072.5
1028.0
5.89
61.39%
8.57
3.15
1.75
1.75


8th May
1901
SS
Stout
1085.9
1036.0
6.60
58.08%
8.57
3.72
1.75
1.75


8th May
1901
SSS
Stout
1095.7
1043.0
6.98
55.08%
8.57
4.15
1.75
1.75


29th Jun
1901
X
Mild
1052.4
1012.0
5.34
77.08%
5.99
1.39
1.75
1.75


20th Feb
1902
IPA
IPA
1049.9
1013.0
4.88
73.93%
11.97
2.65
1.5
1.75


27th Jun
1901
FA
Pale Ale
1051.8
1013.0
5.13
74.90%
10.92
2.54
1.5
1.75


25th Jun
1901
2PA
Pale Ale
1053.7
1014.0
5.26
73.95%
9.85
2.39
1.5
1.42


15th Jun
1901
PA
Pale Ale
1058.4
1017.0
5.48
70.91%
10.98
2.93
1.5
2


27th Jun
1901
XK
Pale Ale
1060.7
1019.0
5.52
68.71%
6.02
1.63
1.75
1.75


31st May
1901
KK
Stock Ale
1073.0
1030.0
5.69
58.91%
12.00
4.03
1.75
2


31st May
1901
2KKK
Stock Ale
1078.7
1033.0
6.05
58.07%
12.00
4.35
1.75
2


31st May
1901
KKK
Stock Ale
1082.8
1036.0
6.19
56.53%
12.00
4.58
1.75
2


Sources:


Whitbread brewing records held at the London Metropolitan Archives document numbers LMA/4453/D/01/066, LMA/4453/D/01/067 and LMA/4453/D/09/095.



http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vbU17I2sgJg/UHflzChvztI/AAAAAAAALu4/inEQ0y2a1wY/s320/Whitbread_Beers_1901_1902.jpg (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vbU17I2sgJg/UHflzChvztI/AAAAAAAALu4/inEQ0y2a1wY/s1600/Whitbread_Beers_1901_1902.jpg)

There's one obvious difference: Whitbread brewed a much wider range of beers. The lack of a Porter or Stout is particularly striking. Amsdell really was a specialist Ale brewery. With only really 4 products: XX Ale, Diamond Ale, Scotch Ale and IPA. An odd set, especially the Scotch Ale. Whitbread also brewed a wider range of gravities, from 1050º to 1096º, compared to Amsdell's 1053º to 1082º.

Attenuation is a funny one. The standard-strength Whitbread beers are mostly around 75% apparent attenuation, while Amsdell's are around 65%. That changes with the Stouts and Stock Ales, with the Whitbread examples all under 60%.

Amsdell's boil times are much shorter than Whitbread's, mostly just one hour, while Whitbread mostly boiled for an hour and three quarters.

Let's take a closer look at some of the specific types. We'll start with the coomionest of the Amsdell beers - XX Ales and Polar. Here's a comparison with Whitbread's X Ale:




Date
Year
Brewer
Beer
Style
OG
FG
ABV
App. Atten-uation
lbs hops/ qtr
hops lb/US brl
hops lb/Imp brl
boil time (hours)
boil time (hours)


22nd Jan
1901
Amsdell
Polar
Ale
1054
1019.2
4.61
64.55%
6.01
1.15
1.61
1



24th Jan
1901
Amsdell
XX
Ale
1052.6
1016.4
4.8
68.93%
6.33
1.8
2.52
1



1st Apr
1901
Amsdell
XX
Ale
1054.6
1019.6
4.63
64.16%
6.23
1.61
2.26
1



27th May
1901
Amsdell
XX
Ale
1059.7
1022.4
4.94
62.56%
5.82
1.23
1.72
1.25



22nd Oct
1901
Amsdell
Pale XX
Ale
1054.2
1017.2
4.89
68.33%
5.51
1.02
1.43
1



14th Nov
1904
Amsdell
XX Winter
Ale
1058
1019.2
5.13
66.95%
5.75
1.12
1.57
1



Average




1055.5
1019.0
4.83
65.91%
5.94
1.32
1.85
1.04



29th Jun
1901
Whitbread
X
Mild
1052.4
1012.0
5.34
77.08%
5.99

1.39
1.75
1.75


Difference




-3.2
-7.0
0.5
11.2%
0.0

-0.5
0.7




http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-J2RNKVAstv4/UHfmJD2szOI/AAAAAAAALvA/9GWm3ZydPoQ/s320/Whitbread_X_vs_Amsdell_XX.jpg (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-J2RNKVAstv4/UHfmJD2szOI/AAAAAAAALvA/9GWm3ZydPoQ/s1600/Whitbread_X_vs_Amsdell_XX.jpg)

And, because I noticed that the Whitbread hopping rate was quite low, here's a comparison with Barclay Perkins X Ale:




Date
Year
Brewer
Beer
Style
OG
FG
ABV
App. Atten-uation
lbs hops/ qtr
hops lb/US brl
hops lb/Imp brl
boil time (hours)
boil time (hours)


Average

Amsdell
XX
Ale
1055.5
1019.0
4.83
65.91%
5.94
1.32
1.85
1.04



5th Jun
1900
Barclay Perkins
X
Mild
1052.8
1010.0
5.67
81.11%
8.01

1.75
2
2.5


Difference




-2.7
-9.0
0.8
15.2%
2.07

-0.10
1.0




http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-LpGupzZLucg/UHfmby9vUzI/AAAAAAAALvI/ViBYjCuQqeg/s320/BP_X_vs_Amsdell_XX.jpg (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-LpGupzZLucg/UHfmby9vUzI/AAAAAAAALvI/ViBYjCuQqeg/s1600/BP_X_vs_Amsdell_XX.jpg)

In general, Amsdell XX Ale looks quite like a London Mild Ale with one exception: the rate of attenuation is considerably lower.

Moving on, we'll next consider Amsdell's Stock Ale, Diamond. Again, I've compare it with both Whitbread and Barclay Perkins Stock Ales.




Date
Year
Brewer
Beer
Style
OG
FG
ABV
App. Atten-uation
lbs hops/ qtr
hops lb/US brl
hops lb/Imp brl
boil time (hours)
boil time (hours)


20th Mar
1901
Amsdell
Diamond
Stock Ale
1081.7
1028
7.11
65.76%
8.08
2.42
3.39
1



12th Apr
1904
Amsdell
Diamond
Stock Ale
1074
1020.8
7.04
71.96%
8.29
2.27
3.18
1



Average




1077.9
1024.4
7.08
68.86%
8.19
2.35
3.29
1



31st May
1901
Whitbread
KK
Stock Ale
1073.0
1030.0
5.69
58.91%
12.00

4.03
1.75
2


Difference




-4.8
5.6
-1.38
-9.9%
3.81

0.75
0.75




http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-dmXiej_Dmlg/UHfmxUmBP9I/AAAAAAAALvQ/4ZwkQtT5_5c/s320/Whitbread_KK_vs_Amsdell_Diamond.jpg (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-dmXiej_Dmlg/UHfmxUmBP9I/AAAAAAAALvQ/4ZwkQtT5_5c/s1600/Whitbread_KK_vs_Amsdell_Diamond.jpg)




Date
Year
Brewer
Beer
Style
OG
FG
ABV
App. Atten-uation
lbs hops/ qtr
hops lb/US brl
hops lb/Imp brl
boil time (hours)
boil time (hours)


Average

Amsdell
Diamond
Stock Ale
1077.9
1024.4
7.08
68.86%
8.19
2.35
3.29
1.00



21st Nov
1900
Barclay Perkins
KK
Stock Ale
1073.0
1019.4
7.09
73.44%
14.03

4.20
2
2.5


Difference




-4.8
-5.0
0.02
4.6%
5.84

0.92
1.00




http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-AojC-BtKr1k/UHfnFDdePTI/AAAAAAAALvY/ICtL81kfflQ/s320/BP_KK_vs_Amsdell_Diamond.jpg (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-AojC-BtKr1k/UHfnFDdePTI/AAAAAAAALvY/ICtL81kfflQ/s1600/BP_KK_vs_Amsdell_Diamond.jpg)

Whitbread's KK, with its high FG, sticks out. Barclay Perkins KK looks very similar to Diamond Ale, except for rather heavier hopping. And, of course, a longer boil.

Finally, it's the turn of IPA.




Date
Year
Brewer
Beer
Style
OG
FG
ABV
App. Atten-uation
lbs hops/ qtr
hops lb/US brl
hops lb/Imp brl
boil time (hours)
boil time (hours)


24th Mar
1905
Amsdell
India Pale Ale
IPA
1077.6
1029.2
6.4
62.35%
4.85
2.25
3.15
1



20th Feb
1902
Whitbread
IPA
IPA
1049.9
1013.0
4.88
73.93%
11.97

2.65
1.5
1.75


Difference




-27.7
-16.2
-1.5
11.6%
7.1

-0.5
0.5




http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-i_HOkch3XcY/UHfnZqfPiNI/AAAAAAAALvg/MEc71xExBfg/s320/Whitbread_IPA_vs_Amsdell_IPA.jpg (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-i_HOkch3XcY/UHfnZqfPiNI/AAAAAAAALvg/MEc71xExBfg/s1600/Whitbread_IPA_vs_Amsdell_IPA.jpg)




Date
Year
Brewer
Beer
Style
OG
FG
ABV
App. Atten-uation
lbs hops/ qtr
hops lb/US brl
hops lb/Imp brl
boil time (hours)
boil time (hours)


24th Mar
1905
Amsdell
India Pale Ale
IPA
1077.6
1029.2
6.4
62.35%
4.85
2.25
3.15
1



13th Jun
1908
Barclay Perkins
PA
Pale Ale
1060.4
1011.5
6.47
80.96%
12.00

3.00
2.5



Difference




-17.2
-17.7
0.1
18.6%
7.2

-0.2
1.5




http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-17jT-S9X-n0/UHfnq-0AJoI/AAAAAAAALvo/yF5dqnFSC3Y/s320/BP_PA_vs_Amsdell_IPA.jpg (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-17jT-S9X-n0/UHfnq-0AJoI/AAAAAAAALvo/yF5dqnFSC3Y/s1600/BP_PA_vs_Amsdell_IPA.jpg)


It's pretty obvious that Whitbread's IPA isn't really in the same style as Amsdell's. The gravities are just too different. Though it is apparent that Amsdell's IPA was, taking into account its gravity, more lightly hopped. The low attenuation of Amsdell's IPA means that although Barclay Perkins Pale Ale had a much lower gravity, it almost had the same ABV. I've never seen a pre-WW I British IPA with as high an OG and as low a hopping rate as Amsdell's. It's really very different.

I'm sure I'll be returning to North American Ales. They're just so entertaining.https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5445569787371915337-7870749754637643618?l=barclayperkins.blogspot.com


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