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oldboots
21-03-2012, 16:58
Well as expected Georgie did nothing about the beer duty escalator, he hardly mentioned it in fact, but he did mange to fool a lot of the medja with his slight of hand by saying "no plans to change my predecessors alcohol duty plans". Of course this was widely reported as "No Change" until the error was pointed out. George spent more time making a lame joke about Wallace and Grommit than he did on his attack on brewers, pubs and drinkers. Pro-industry my arse.

I heard Tim Martin tongue lashed the beeb for their sloppy reporting, it's now been corrected on their website. :D

Brewers and Publicans everywhere are writhing in pain even though we knew it was coming. This one (http://thatchersbeerblog.wordpress.com/2012/03/21/an-open-letter-to-george-osborne/) is typical


The duty rise is from 26th March. :moremad:



PS about 2500 people have signed the epetition since the budget non-announcement

Farway
21-03-2012, 21:50
Sad to say, whatever the party in power, it always comes down to tax on beer, fags & petrol. Often spun as something else, in this case fag tax as "Health"

No longer a smoker BTW, price increases do work, I stopped at 3 / 6d a packet of twenty. I think it is around £7 now

I suspect the booze increase will further reduce consumption, we all have price limits in reality

hondo
22-03-2012, 08:15
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17442946

oldboots
22-03-2012, 08:24
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17442946

Utter rubbish, it calculates the increase on a pint of beer as 2.2p, the most optimistic forecast is 5p a pint.

gillhalfpint
22-03-2012, 09:00
Ministers want to move towards a single tax allowance for those of working age and the retired, having set a goal of raising tax allowances for under-65s to £10,000 by 2015

That bit out of your link means us pensioners will have tax allowance frozen for 14/15 as well as 13/14.

My son had a quote that fits.

Politicians and nappies should be changed for the same reason.

aleandhearty
22-03-2012, 10:59
Politicians and nappies should be changed for the same reason.

:D Very good.

Farway
22-03-2012, 13:31
Ministers want to move towards a single tax allowance for those of working age and the retired, having set a goal of raising tax allowances for under-65s to £10,000 by 2015

That bit out of your link means us pensioners will have tax allowance frozen for 14/15 as well as 13/14.


Margaret Gerving, a retired headmistress from Guildford, said: "Personal allowances? I shit 'em. You'll have to do better than that you pointless little fart."

Daily Mash (http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/burden-should-fall-on-those-with-the-most-character%2c-says-osborne-201203225045/)

Quinno
22-03-2012, 14:23
As someone who follows politics with a semi-keen eye, I can confidently predict we'll be stuck with the beer duty escalator until it runs its course (2014 is it?)...which is around the time of the next election presuming the coalition govt holds out (which I suspect it will). Darling originally planned it to run until 2012 but Gideon thought it was such a whizzo idea he extended it by two years. Most people south of Birmingham will be on a £4 pint outside of JDW by then.

Alesonly
22-03-2012, 15:29
As someone who follows politics with a semi-keen eye, I can confidently predict we'll be stuck with the beer duty escalator until it runs its course (2014 is it?)...which is around the time of the next election presuming the coalition govt holds out (which I suspect it will). Darling originally planned it to run until 2012 but Gideon thought it was such a whizzo idea he extended it by two years. Most people south of Birmingham will be on a £4 pint outside of JDW by then.

I wish It was still £4 now its around £4 20 to £4.50 for anything decent in most local Pubs around here even Gk IPA is £3.95 and thats the absolute cheapest you will find locally.

Bucking Fastard
22-03-2012, 15:33
even Gk IPA is £3.95 and thats the absolute cheapest you will find locally. :eek: that's a shocker,enough to drive a man to drink.

Quinno
22-03-2012, 15:42
:eek: that's a shocker,enough to drive a man to drink.

Yeah, White Lightning from Bargain Booze.

I'm amazed that when a shop called Bargain Booze exists, doing exactly what it says on the tin, while we have to endure the pub industry being trashed, it really makes me wonder.

Brewguru
23-03-2012, 13:24
Utter rubbish, it calculates the increase on a pint of beer as 2.2p, the most optimistic forecast is 5p a pint.

That's because the increase in beer tax is then further taxed by VAT (increased to 20% and no sign of that coming back down). As publicans tend to work on a % margin the actual 2.2p becomes 5 quite quickly, with a bit of rounding up.
It's the one time of year the landlord can get away with putting up prices, blaming beer duty and to be fair, most of them probably need to put up prices to stay afloat, shame that once again its the responsible pub drinker that ends up paying.

I remember days when a pub landlord would drive around in quite a plush car for the day. Nowadays it seems to be more aged suzukis and nissans.

Farway
23-03-2012, 13:51
Yeah, White Lightning from Bargain Booze.

I'm amazed that when a shop called Bargain Booze exists, doing exactly what it says on the tin, while we have to endure the pub industry being trashed, it really makes me wonder.

Not if today's news is any guide, 40p per unit should bump up the price of Bargain Booze I guess. Oh well, looks like booze cruises will soon be back

oldboots
23-03-2012, 21:43
That's because the increase in beer tax is then further taxed by VAT (increased to 20% and no sign of that coming back down). As publicans tend to work on a % margin the actual 2.2p becomes 5 quite quickly, with a bit of rounding up.
It's the one time of year the landlord can get away with putting up prices, blaming beer duty and to be fair, most of them probably need to put up prices to stay afloat, shame that once again its the responsible pub drinker that ends up paying.

I remember days when a pub landlord would drive around in quite a plush car for the day. Nowadays it seems to be more aged suzukis and nissans.

We also have a hop shortage and a poor barley harvest, plus fuel cost increases, lets say 20p a pint increase then?

Farway
02-04-2012, 13:45
Just popped into The Spotted Cow (http://www.pubsgalore.co.uk/pubs/14107/) on way back from shopping, the HSB is up 10p a pint, now £3.35. It was a nice pint though

Quinno
02-04-2012, 14:13
I've just been greeted with this on Facers (I've been expecting it though):

Although the Nags has ridden the various price rises that have come our way over the last 3 years, and is proud to have been at £3.00 a pint since April 2009, unfortunately the latest rise in last weeks budget is just too much for us to ignore.

Therefore we are sad to announce that as of Monday April 2nd our prices will rise by 20p across the board except for spirits, mixers and real cider over 6%

This will make our real ales £3.20 per pint across the range (still very competitive), the same as our keg ciders and real ciders with an abv of 6% or less. Amstel will rise to £3.60 and Premium lagers will rise to £3.80.

On the plus side, we hope that you are enjoying a far superior range and quality of real ales and ciders since we became free of tie in November, and that they’re worth paying that little bit extra for :-)

£3.20 is still relatively good value in Berkshire, given that it applies to almost everything on the 12 pumps at any one time. Still, goes to show....

gillhalfpint
02-04-2012, 17:06
Wonder what the Court Inn in Durham will be charging. Their Daleside 3.7% and Mordue 4.8% beers were both £3.60 a pint when we were there about 10 days ago.

AlanH
02-04-2012, 18:52
I am in a price dilemma.
I love pubs and agree with all "support the pub" campaigns, including lowering discrepancies with supermarket prices.
Then I find myself being "tempted" by some good looking ales around £1 to £1.50 in the supermarket compared to £3 to £3.50 locally in the pub, meaning a night in to save money and helping to hurt the pub trade.
Thank God I'm a Real Ale drinker which limits my supermarket purchases and tempts me back to the pub. For lager and smooth drinkers, the temptation is much greater as they don't think they are missing anything (in taste!) by not going to the pub.

Maldenman
02-04-2012, 19:55
Constant price increases are a real issue these days with pub closures increasing, and to be sure will be the death knell for many a pub, sadly often the smaller local suburban types where food is not a seller and people just don't go out any more. Yes, the supermarkets and wine shops can undercut the pubs, and that's fine if you consider their options, loss-leaders, smaller overheads and so on, but drinking at home does not replace going out to the pub. For many, especially older single people the pub is a place where they can meet others and chat, even get help, that doesn't happen in front of Eastenders with a tin of cheap Tesco lager. Then there is responsible drinking, most decent pubs will not continue to serve someone who is in a state, for all the reasons.
Then there are the pubs that are also post offices, libraries, places where people can find friends, places where there will be someone to trust.
All Governments need to look beyond the small picture and see this, yes, crap and troublesome pubs need sorting out but the vast majority are very important to people and should be respected as such.

Quinno
02-04-2012, 19:56
Thank God I'm a Real Ale drinker which limits my supermarket purchases and tempts me back to the pub. For lager and smooth drinkers, the temptation is much greater as they don't think they are missing anything (in taste!) by not going to the pub.

You and me both!

Spinko
03-04-2012, 07:22
Where's that home-brew kit!