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Does this series seem never ending? I thought so. Don't despair. I'm finishing up with Mild this time. At least for the early 1850's.
Imperial Mild. There's a name to conjure with (maybe turn it into a rabbit or something). The name has been used by others, but I'd like to set its definition in stone so future generations will be able to cherish it. A bit like other style guidelines. Didn't the head prophet at the BJCP bring down stone tablets of beer style definitions down from Mount Sinai? Though obviously there were more than 10. Must have been a real struggle carrying 100-odd lumps of stone.
My definition of Imperial Mild - get your chisel ready - is this: Mils ale with a gravity over 1100º. Do you think I'm being too specific? At least you don't have to do much carving.
Why am I being so jovial? Have to find something top write about. You'll see what I mean when you look at the table:
England vs Scotland early 1850's Mild >1100º
Date
Year
Brewer
Beer
OG
FG
ABV
App. Atten-uation
lbs hops/ qtr
hops lb/brl
boil time (hours)
boil time (hours)
boil time (hours)
Pitch temp
max. fer-ment-ation temp
length of fer-ment-ation (days)
19th Oct
1850
Truman
XXX Ale
1102.8
12
5.59
58
5th Oct
1850
Truman
XXX Ale
1102.8
12
6.24
59
18th Feb
1851
Truman
XXX Ale
1105.8
10
5.19
58
4th Sep
1850
Truman
XXX Ale
1108
14
8.14
59
19th Aug
1850
Truman
XXX Ale
1108
1029.1
10.44
73.08%
14
8.48
59
77
10
Average
1105.5
1029.1
10.44
73.08%
12.40
6.73
58.6
77.0
10.0
1st Nov
1851
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1100
1040
7.94
60.00%
6.00
3.00
1.25
1.5
55
68
8
10th Oct
1851
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1101
1040
8.07
60.40%
6.95
3.52
1.25
1.33
58
69
8
5th Nov
1851
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1101
1041
7.94
59.41%
5.00
2.47
1.33
1.25
55
69
9
16th Apr
1853
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1102
1039
8.33
61.76%
8.26
4.75
1.25
56
70
8
19th Apr
1853
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1102
1033
9.13
67.65%
8.70
5.56
1.25
55
67
7
13th Dec
1851
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1103
1040
8.33
61.17%
10.00
5.50
1.25
54
68
9
23rd Jul
1852
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1103
1040
8.33
61.17%
7.81
4.03
1
1.08
59
70
8
27th Jul
1852
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1103
1040
8.33
61.17%
7.14
3.85
1.08
1.17
59
69
8
7th Oct
1851
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1104
1039
8.60
62.50%
5.24
2.86
1.5
1.25
56
69
9
15th Oct
1851
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1104
1040
8.47
61.54%
5.00
2.65
1.25
1.25
56
68
9
25th Oct
1851
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1104
1040
8.47
61.54%
5.00
2.79
1.25
1.25
58
68
9
6th Nov
1851
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1104
1040
8.47
61.54%
5.00
2.65
1.33
1.25
56
69
10
17th Nov
1851
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1104
1042
8.20
59.62%
5.00
2.53
1.25
1.5
55
68
9
27th Nov
1851
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1104
1042
8.20
59.62%
5.00
2.62
1.25
1.75
55
68
10
24th Mar
1852
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1104
1041
8.33
60.58%
5.00
2.56
1.25
1
56
68
9
25th Mar
1852
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1104
1042
8.20
59.62%
5.00
2.50
1.17
1.08
55
68
10
25th Apr
1853
Younger, Wm.
120/-
1104
1046
7.67
55.77%
9.00
6.25
1.5
54
68
8
31st Oct
1851
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1105
1042
8.33
60.00%
5.00
2.59
1.25
1.5
54
69
10
4th Dec
1851
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1105
1042
8.33
60.00%
5.66
2.82
1.25
55
69
9
26th Apr
1853
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1105
1039
8.73
62.86%
9.09
6.15
1.25
55
70
7
24th Oct
1851
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1106
1045
8.07
57.55%
5.00
2.95
1.25
1.33
56
69
8
12th Nov
1851
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1106
1041
8.60
61.32%
5.00
2.58
1.25
1.25
56
69
8
26th Feb
1852
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1106
1042
8.47
60.38%
4.49
2.38
1.17
1
55
68
11
8th Oct
1851
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1108
1041
8.86
62.04%
5.24
2.89
1.33
1.17
55
69
9
Average
1103.8
1040.7
8.35
60.26%
6.19
3.44
1.26
1.27
55.8
68.6
8.8
difference
-1.6
11.6
-2.09
-2.24%
-6.21
-3.29
1.26
1.27
-2.9
-8.4
-1.3
Sources:
William Younger brewing record document number WY/6/1/2/5 held at the Scottish Brewing Archive
Truman brewing record document number B/THB/C/132 held at the London Metropolitan Archives
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3v0bnDtM7oo/T1eArVbN6jI/AAAAAAAAIyI/3pQr833Y2sM/s320/England_vs_Scotland_part_3_e.JPG (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3v0bnDtM7oo/T1eArVbN6jI/AAAAAAAAIyI/3pQr833Y2sM/s1600/England_vs_Scotland_part_3_e.JPG)
See what I mean? So many details are missing from the London beers that there's not much to compare. I'll limit myself to those items where there's enough information to work with.
Hopping rates. Now isn't this confusing. Younger's are on average much lower, which isn't what we saw in the other classes of Mild. And the spread amongst the Younger's beers is enormous: from 2.38 to 6.25 lbs per barrel. I can make no sense out of them. A couple are hopped in a way similar to the London beers, others at a much, much lower rate. For once, I don't know what to say.
Fermentation temperatures. We've only got enough data for pitching temperature. I love this. Lovely and clear, all the data nicely clumped together. I'm oozing confidence as I say: in the early 1850's Younger's Imperial Mild Ales were pitched on average about 3º F cooler than equivalent London beers.
Bit disappointing that. Not really anything much to say.https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5445569787371915337-2626399344373039563?l=barclayperkins.blogspot.com
More... (http://barclayperkins.blogspot.com/2012/03/england-vs-scotland-part-3e-early-1850s.html)
Does this series seem never ending? I thought so. Don't despair. I'm finishing up with Mild this time. At least for the early 1850's.
Imperial Mild. There's a name to conjure with (maybe turn it into a rabbit or something). The name has been used by others, but I'd like to set its definition in stone so future generations will be able to cherish it. A bit like other style guidelines. Didn't the head prophet at the BJCP bring down stone tablets of beer style definitions down from Mount Sinai? Though obviously there were more than 10. Must have been a real struggle carrying 100-odd lumps of stone.
My definition of Imperial Mild - get your chisel ready - is this: Mils ale with a gravity over 1100º. Do you think I'm being too specific? At least you don't have to do much carving.
Why am I being so jovial? Have to find something top write about. You'll see what I mean when you look at the table:
England vs Scotland early 1850's Mild >1100º
Date
Year
Brewer
Beer
OG
FG
ABV
App. Atten-uation
lbs hops/ qtr
hops lb/brl
boil time (hours)
boil time (hours)
boil time (hours)
Pitch temp
max. fer-ment-ation temp
length of fer-ment-ation (days)
19th Oct
1850
Truman
XXX Ale
1102.8
12
5.59
58
5th Oct
1850
Truman
XXX Ale
1102.8
12
6.24
59
18th Feb
1851
Truman
XXX Ale
1105.8
10
5.19
58
4th Sep
1850
Truman
XXX Ale
1108
14
8.14
59
19th Aug
1850
Truman
XXX Ale
1108
1029.1
10.44
73.08%
14
8.48
59
77
10
Average
1105.5
1029.1
10.44
73.08%
12.40
6.73
58.6
77.0
10.0
1st Nov
1851
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1100
1040
7.94
60.00%
6.00
3.00
1.25
1.5
55
68
8
10th Oct
1851
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1101
1040
8.07
60.40%
6.95
3.52
1.25
1.33
58
69
8
5th Nov
1851
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1101
1041
7.94
59.41%
5.00
2.47
1.33
1.25
55
69
9
16th Apr
1853
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1102
1039
8.33
61.76%
8.26
4.75
1.25
56
70
8
19th Apr
1853
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1102
1033
9.13
67.65%
8.70
5.56
1.25
55
67
7
13th Dec
1851
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1103
1040
8.33
61.17%
10.00
5.50
1.25
54
68
9
23rd Jul
1852
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1103
1040
8.33
61.17%
7.81
4.03
1
1.08
59
70
8
27th Jul
1852
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1103
1040
8.33
61.17%
7.14
3.85
1.08
1.17
59
69
8
7th Oct
1851
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1104
1039
8.60
62.50%
5.24
2.86
1.5
1.25
56
69
9
15th Oct
1851
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1104
1040
8.47
61.54%
5.00
2.65
1.25
1.25
56
68
9
25th Oct
1851
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1104
1040
8.47
61.54%
5.00
2.79
1.25
1.25
58
68
9
6th Nov
1851
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1104
1040
8.47
61.54%
5.00
2.65
1.33
1.25
56
69
10
17th Nov
1851
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1104
1042
8.20
59.62%
5.00
2.53
1.25
1.5
55
68
9
27th Nov
1851
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1104
1042
8.20
59.62%
5.00
2.62
1.25
1.75
55
68
10
24th Mar
1852
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1104
1041
8.33
60.58%
5.00
2.56
1.25
1
56
68
9
25th Mar
1852
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1104
1042
8.20
59.62%
5.00
2.50
1.17
1.08
55
68
10
25th Apr
1853
Younger, Wm.
120/-
1104
1046
7.67
55.77%
9.00
6.25
1.5
54
68
8
31st Oct
1851
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1105
1042
8.33
60.00%
5.00
2.59
1.25
1.5
54
69
10
4th Dec
1851
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1105
1042
8.33
60.00%
5.66
2.82
1.25
55
69
9
26th Apr
1853
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1105
1039
8.73
62.86%
9.09
6.15
1.25
55
70
7
24th Oct
1851
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1106
1045
8.07
57.55%
5.00
2.95
1.25
1.33
56
69
8
12th Nov
1851
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1106
1041
8.60
61.32%
5.00
2.58
1.25
1.25
56
69
8
26th Feb
1852
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1106
1042
8.47
60.38%
4.49
2.38
1.17
1
55
68
11
8th Oct
1851
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1108
1041
8.86
62.04%
5.24
2.89
1.33
1.17
55
69
9
Average
1103.8
1040.7
8.35
60.26%
6.19
3.44
1.26
1.27
55.8
68.6
8.8
difference
-1.6
11.6
-2.09
-2.24%
-6.21
-3.29
1.26
1.27
-2.9
-8.4
-1.3
Sources:
William Younger brewing record document number WY/6/1/2/5 held at the Scottish Brewing Archive
Truman brewing record document number B/THB/C/132 held at the London Metropolitan Archives
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3v0bnDtM7oo/T1eArVbN6jI/AAAAAAAAIyI/3pQr833Y2sM/s320/England_vs_Scotland_part_3_e.JPG (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3v0bnDtM7oo/T1eArVbN6jI/AAAAAAAAIyI/3pQr833Y2sM/s1600/England_vs_Scotland_part_3_e.JPG)
See what I mean? So many details are missing from the London beers that there's not much to compare. I'll limit myself to those items where there's enough information to work with.
Hopping rates. Now isn't this confusing. Younger's are on average much lower, which isn't what we saw in the other classes of Mild. And the spread amongst the Younger's beers is enormous: from 2.38 to 6.25 lbs per barrel. I can make no sense out of them. A couple are hopped in a way similar to the London beers, others at a much, much lower rate. For once, I don't know what to say.
Fermentation temperatures. We've only got enough data for pitching temperature. I love this. Lovely and clear, all the data nicely clumped together. I'm oozing confidence as I say: in the early 1850's Younger's Imperial Mild Ales were pitched on average about 3º F cooler than equivalent London beers.
Bit disappointing that. Not really anything much to say.https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5445569787371915337-2626399344373039563?l=barclayperkins.blogspot.com
More... (http://barclayperkins.blogspot.com/2012/03/england-vs-scotland-part-3e-early-1850s.html)