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You must be getting used to this. A table of beer details and then me explaining why it proves Scottish and English brewing weren't really all that different.
It's still the early 1850's and we've still a way to go with just the Milds. This time it's what is now officially called (at least by me) Extra Special Mild. Or ESM for short. (Or Mild Ale between 1090º and 1099º.) You know, I keep making up these style names and throwing them around like balls of mud. Eventually one will stick. I'm sure of that. And why not Extra Special Mild? It makes a nice companion to Extra Special Bitter. If beer styles got married, ESM and ESB would be an obvious match. It certainly couldn't be Best Bitter and Extra Special Bitter. That would be incest.
Before a stumble too far from the path of coherence, here's the table:
England vs Scotland early 1850's Mild 1090º - 1099º
Date
Year
Brewer
Beer
OG
FG
ABV
App. Atten-uation
lbs hops/ qtr
hops lb/brl
boil time (hours)
boil time (hours)
boil time (hours)
Pitch temp
max. fer-ment-ation temp
length of fer-ment-ation (days)
4th Oct
1850
Truman
XX Ale
1093.1
9
4.34
59
2nd Oct
1850
Whitbread
XXX
1094.7
1034.6
7.95
63.45%
7.87
3.24
1.17
2
2
60
76
6
15th Mar
1851
Truman
XX Ale
1095.3
10
4.40
8th Oct
1850
Whitbread
XXX
1095.8
1037.1
7.77
61.27%
7.85
3.34
2
2
2
60
76
5
21st Oct
1852
Reid
XXX
1097.0
1025.8
9.42
73.43%
10.72
4.90
1.5
3
57
79
11
2nd Nov
1852
Reid
XXX
1097.0
1024.9
9.53
74.29%
9.77
4.47
1.5
3
57
79
11
31st Aug
1853
Reid
XXX
1097.0
1031.0
8.72
68.00%
10.24
4.71
2
3
56.5
78
12
25th Sep
1850
Whitbread
XXX
1098.1
1029.1
9.12
70.34%
8.36
3.50
2
2
2
60
76
5
Average
1096.0
1030.4
8.75
68.46%
9.23
4.11
1.69
2.50
2.00
58.5
77.3
8.3
13th Oct
1851
Younger, Wm.
80/-
1090
1032
7.67
64.44%
5.00
2.08
1.25
1.5
56
70
9
6th Nov
1851
Younger, Wm.
80/-
1090
1034
7.41
62.22%
5.00
2.18
1.33
1.5
56
68
9
28th Nov
1851
Younger, Wm.
80/-
1090
1037
7.01
58.89%
5.00
2.26
1.25
1.5
56
68
8
2nd Mar
1852
Younger, Wm.
80/-
1090
1036
7.14
60.00%
5.00
2.21
1
1.25
56
67
8
20th Mar
1852
Younger, Wm.
80/-
1090
1036
7.14
60.00%
5.00
2.07
1.08
1.25
56
67
8
21st Oct
1851
Younger, Wm.
80/-
1091
1037
7.14
59.34%
5.00
2.21
1.25
1.5
56
68
9
27th Oct
1851
Younger, Wm.
80/-
1091
1037
7.14
59.34%
5.00
2.15
1.25
1.33
56
69
8
18th Nov
1851
Younger, Wm.
80/-
1092
1035
7.54
61.96%
5.00
2.34
1.33
1.5
56
68
9
9th Dec
1851
Younger, Wm.
80/-
1092
1038
7.14
58.70%
5.00
2.11
1.33
56
67
9
9th Nov
1853
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1092
1040
6.88
56.52%
4.50
2.14
1.25
56
68
8
28th Oct
1851
Younger, Wm.
XXX
1092
1032
7.94
65.22%
14.59
5.53
1.33
54
69
9
24th Nov
1851
Younger, Wm.
XXX
1093
1034
7.81
63.44%
10.00
4.32
1.33
56
67
9
14th Dec
1851
Younger, Wm.
XXX
1095
1037
7.67
61.05%
17.94
5.50
1.25
54
68
9
10th Nov
1853
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1096
1040
7.41
58.33%
4.50
2.25
1.25
56
68
6
11th Apr
1853
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1097
1036
8.07
62.89%
10.00
6.05
1.5
57
69
8
Average
1092.1
1036.1
7.41
60.82%
7.10
3.03
1.26
1.41
0.00
55.8
68.1
8.4
difference
-3.9
5.6
-1.34
-7.64%
-2.13
-1.08
-0.43
-1.09
-2.00
-2.7
-9.3
0.1
Sources:
William Younger brewing record document number WY/6/1/2/5 held at the Scottish Brewing Archive
Whitbread brewing record document number LMA/4453/D/01/014 held at the London Metropolitan Archives
Truman brewing record document number B/THB/C/132 held at the London Metropolitan Archives
Reid brewing record document number 789/273 held at the Westminster City Archives
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-OmSHxPfJXbA/T0Y_F4hKw7I/AAAAAAAAIwo/RJYGI1mE5Jc/s320/England_vs_Scotland_part_3_d.JPG (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-OmSHxPfJXbA/T0Y_F4hKw7I/AAAAAAAAIwo/RJYGI1mE5Jc/s1600/England_vs_Scotland_part_3_d.JPG)
I'll be going through each point in the same order, yet again. I haven't the energy, nor the imagination, to think up an exciting new format each time. New crap jokes is about my limit.
Hopping rates. At first glance it looks clear: Younger's beers have about 1 pound, or about 25%, fewer hops. But take a closer look. The three most heavily hopped beers are all from Younger. And if you drop the 80/- Ales and only use the 100/- and XXX, the average hopping rate of Younger's beers is slightly higher, 4.3 pounds per barrel. That's so contradictory I can come to no conclusion at all. Except that Younger hopped their 100/- more heavily than their 80/-.
Boil times. This is one area where the results have been totally consistent. Once again, Younger's boils were shorter. 25 minutes less for the first wort and 65 minutes less for the second. You can't argue with that: in the early 1850's Younger's Extra Special Mild Ales had considerably shorter boils than equivalent London beers.
Younger's fermentation temperatures are again cooler. But the difference between the maximum fermentation temperatures and the pitching temperatures are quite wide apart. Younger's pitching temperatures were on average less than 3º F cooler. But the maximum is almost 10º F cooler. That's close to the difference often claimed. Take an average and you get: in the early 1850's Younger's Extra Special Mild Ales were fermented on average 6º F cooler than equivalent London beers.
I won't waste much time on the length of fermentation. The averages are near identical. Though there's wider variation amongst the London beers. That doesn't change my overall opinion: in the early 1850's Younger's Extra Special Mild Ales took about the same length of time to ferment as equivalent London beers.
Once again the apparent attenuation of Younger's beers barely reaches an average of 60%. While the London average is over 68%. Consequently it's no surprise that the ABV of Younger's beers is lower and the FG a good bit higher. Another easy one: in the early 1850's Younger's Extra Special Mild Ales were less attenuated than equivalent London beers.
You think this is getting tedious? We've still more than a century to go. Let's see who's left at the end.https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5445569787371915337-7162787580199421863?l=barclayperkins.blogspot.com
More... (http://barclayperkins.blogspot.com/2012/03/england-vs-scotland-part-3d-early-1850s.html)
You must be getting used to this. A table of beer details and then me explaining why it proves Scottish and English brewing weren't really all that different.
It's still the early 1850's and we've still a way to go with just the Milds. This time it's what is now officially called (at least by me) Extra Special Mild. Or ESM for short. (Or Mild Ale between 1090º and 1099º.) You know, I keep making up these style names and throwing them around like balls of mud. Eventually one will stick. I'm sure of that. And why not Extra Special Mild? It makes a nice companion to Extra Special Bitter. If beer styles got married, ESM and ESB would be an obvious match. It certainly couldn't be Best Bitter and Extra Special Bitter. That would be incest.
Before a stumble too far from the path of coherence, here's the table:
England vs Scotland early 1850's Mild 1090º - 1099º
Date
Year
Brewer
Beer
OG
FG
ABV
App. Atten-uation
lbs hops/ qtr
hops lb/brl
boil time (hours)
boil time (hours)
boil time (hours)
Pitch temp
max. fer-ment-ation temp
length of fer-ment-ation (days)
4th Oct
1850
Truman
XX Ale
1093.1
9
4.34
59
2nd Oct
1850
Whitbread
XXX
1094.7
1034.6
7.95
63.45%
7.87
3.24
1.17
2
2
60
76
6
15th Mar
1851
Truman
XX Ale
1095.3
10
4.40
8th Oct
1850
Whitbread
XXX
1095.8
1037.1
7.77
61.27%
7.85
3.34
2
2
2
60
76
5
21st Oct
1852
Reid
XXX
1097.0
1025.8
9.42
73.43%
10.72
4.90
1.5
3
57
79
11
2nd Nov
1852
Reid
XXX
1097.0
1024.9
9.53
74.29%
9.77
4.47
1.5
3
57
79
11
31st Aug
1853
Reid
XXX
1097.0
1031.0
8.72
68.00%
10.24
4.71
2
3
56.5
78
12
25th Sep
1850
Whitbread
XXX
1098.1
1029.1
9.12
70.34%
8.36
3.50
2
2
2
60
76
5
Average
1096.0
1030.4
8.75
68.46%
9.23
4.11
1.69
2.50
2.00
58.5
77.3
8.3
13th Oct
1851
Younger, Wm.
80/-
1090
1032
7.67
64.44%
5.00
2.08
1.25
1.5
56
70
9
6th Nov
1851
Younger, Wm.
80/-
1090
1034
7.41
62.22%
5.00
2.18
1.33
1.5
56
68
9
28th Nov
1851
Younger, Wm.
80/-
1090
1037
7.01
58.89%
5.00
2.26
1.25
1.5
56
68
8
2nd Mar
1852
Younger, Wm.
80/-
1090
1036
7.14
60.00%
5.00
2.21
1
1.25
56
67
8
20th Mar
1852
Younger, Wm.
80/-
1090
1036
7.14
60.00%
5.00
2.07
1.08
1.25
56
67
8
21st Oct
1851
Younger, Wm.
80/-
1091
1037
7.14
59.34%
5.00
2.21
1.25
1.5
56
68
9
27th Oct
1851
Younger, Wm.
80/-
1091
1037
7.14
59.34%
5.00
2.15
1.25
1.33
56
69
8
18th Nov
1851
Younger, Wm.
80/-
1092
1035
7.54
61.96%
5.00
2.34
1.33
1.5
56
68
9
9th Dec
1851
Younger, Wm.
80/-
1092
1038
7.14
58.70%
5.00
2.11
1.33
56
67
9
9th Nov
1853
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1092
1040
6.88
56.52%
4.50
2.14
1.25
56
68
8
28th Oct
1851
Younger, Wm.
XXX
1092
1032
7.94
65.22%
14.59
5.53
1.33
54
69
9
24th Nov
1851
Younger, Wm.
XXX
1093
1034
7.81
63.44%
10.00
4.32
1.33
56
67
9
14th Dec
1851
Younger, Wm.
XXX
1095
1037
7.67
61.05%
17.94
5.50
1.25
54
68
9
10th Nov
1853
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1096
1040
7.41
58.33%
4.50
2.25
1.25
56
68
6
11th Apr
1853
Younger, Wm.
100/-
1097
1036
8.07
62.89%
10.00
6.05
1.5
57
69
8
Average
1092.1
1036.1
7.41
60.82%
7.10
3.03
1.26
1.41
0.00
55.8
68.1
8.4
difference
-3.9
5.6
-1.34
-7.64%
-2.13
-1.08
-0.43
-1.09
-2.00
-2.7
-9.3
0.1
Sources:
William Younger brewing record document number WY/6/1/2/5 held at the Scottish Brewing Archive
Whitbread brewing record document number LMA/4453/D/01/014 held at the London Metropolitan Archives
Truman brewing record document number B/THB/C/132 held at the London Metropolitan Archives
Reid brewing record document number 789/273 held at the Westminster City Archives
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-OmSHxPfJXbA/T0Y_F4hKw7I/AAAAAAAAIwo/RJYGI1mE5Jc/s320/England_vs_Scotland_part_3_d.JPG (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-OmSHxPfJXbA/T0Y_F4hKw7I/AAAAAAAAIwo/RJYGI1mE5Jc/s1600/England_vs_Scotland_part_3_d.JPG)
I'll be going through each point in the same order, yet again. I haven't the energy, nor the imagination, to think up an exciting new format each time. New crap jokes is about my limit.
Hopping rates. At first glance it looks clear: Younger's beers have about 1 pound, or about 25%, fewer hops. But take a closer look. The three most heavily hopped beers are all from Younger. And if you drop the 80/- Ales and only use the 100/- and XXX, the average hopping rate of Younger's beers is slightly higher, 4.3 pounds per barrel. That's so contradictory I can come to no conclusion at all. Except that Younger hopped their 100/- more heavily than their 80/-.
Boil times. This is one area where the results have been totally consistent. Once again, Younger's boils were shorter. 25 minutes less for the first wort and 65 minutes less for the second. You can't argue with that: in the early 1850's Younger's Extra Special Mild Ales had considerably shorter boils than equivalent London beers.
Younger's fermentation temperatures are again cooler. But the difference between the maximum fermentation temperatures and the pitching temperatures are quite wide apart. Younger's pitching temperatures were on average less than 3º F cooler. But the maximum is almost 10º F cooler. That's close to the difference often claimed. Take an average and you get: in the early 1850's Younger's Extra Special Mild Ales were fermented on average 6º F cooler than equivalent London beers.
I won't waste much time on the length of fermentation. The averages are near identical. Though there's wider variation amongst the London beers. That doesn't change my overall opinion: in the early 1850's Younger's Extra Special Mild Ales took about the same length of time to ferment as equivalent London beers.
Once again the apparent attenuation of Younger's beers barely reaches an average of 60%. While the London average is over 68%. Consequently it's no surprise that the ABV of Younger's beers is lower and the FG a good bit higher. Another easy one: in the early 1850's Younger's Extra Special Mild Ales were less attenuated than equivalent London beers.
You think this is getting tedious? We've still more than a century to go. Let's see who's left at the end.https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5445569787371915337-7162787580199421863?l=barclayperkins.blogspot.com
More... (http://barclayperkins.blogspot.com/2012/03/england-vs-scotland-part-3d-early-1850s.html)