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I'm still running, stumbling and falling. Metaphorically, you know. We've moved on to one strength band to what, for the want of a better name, I'll be calling Best Mild
I'll run through the categories I'm using before we go any further. I've split the Milds into these bands:
1060º - 1069º Mild
1070º - 1079º Best Mild
1080º - 1089º Special Mild
1090º - 1099º Extra Special Mild
1100º - 1109º Imperial Mild
That should make the description easier for me.
As you can see, this comparison thing is going to take a while. There are still three more posts to come on Mild Ale alone. And in this set, as I do have Porter and Stout from Younger, there will be more styles to compare. Such fun. What did I do with myself before I discovered Scotland?
England vs Scotland early 1850's Mild 1070º - 1079º
Date
Year
Brewer
Beer
OG
FG
ABV
App. Atten-uation
lbs hops/ qtr
hops lb/brl
boil time (hours)
boil time (hours)
boil time (hours)
Pitch temp
max. fer-ment-ation temp
length of fer-ment-ation (days)
2nd Oct
1850
Whitbread
X
1070.6
1027.7
5.68
60.78%
7.87
2.42
1.17
2
2
64
74
6
9th Oct
1850
Whitbread
X
1072.0
1029.9
5.57
58.46%
7.98
2.41
1.5
2
2
64
74
6
24th Sep
1850
Whitbread
X
1073.7
1027.7
6.08
62.41%
7.91
2.42
1.5
2
2
64
74
5
7th Oct
1850
Whitbread
X
1073.7
1030.5
5.72
58.65%
9.95
3.13
1.5
2
2
64
74
5
8th Oct
1850
Whitbread
X
1074.5
1031.6
5.68
57.62%
7.85
2.59
2
2
2
64
74
5
25th Sep
1850
Whitbread
X
1077.3
1029.1
6.38
62.37%
8.36
2.76
2
2
2
64
74
5
25th Sep
1850
Truman
X Ale
1078.1
8
2.67
61
1st Jul
1850
Truman
X Ale
1078.4
8
2.62
63
9th Oct
1850
Whitbread
XL
1079.2
1033.2
6.08
58.04%
7.98
2.65
1.5
2
2
64
75
6
Average
1075.3
1030.0
5.88
59.76%
8.21
2.63
1.60
2.00
2.00
63.6
74.1
5.4
5th Apr
1853
Younger, Wm.
60/-
1070
1029
5.42
58.57%
5.00
2.21
1.5
58
64
7
20th Oct
1851
Younger, Wm.
X
1070
1031
5.16
55.71%
8.00
2.95
1.25
1.5
57
67
7
25th Nov
1851
Younger, Wm.
X
1070
1032
5.03
54.29%
1.61
1.67
1.33
57
65
7
2nd Mar
1852
Younger, Wm.
X
1070
1030
5.29
57.14%
7.00
2.19
1.08
1.25
56
67
8
24th Jul
1852
Younger, Wm.
X
1070
1035
4.63
50.00%
8.00
2.74
1.17
1.25
59
69
7
20th Apr
1853
Younger, Wm.
X
1070
1031
5.16
55.71%
7.73
2.83
1.5
1.5
56
68
8
23rd Apr
1853
Younger, Wm.
X
1070
1027
5.69
61.43%
8.00
2.87
1.33
1.5
55
66
7
4th Oct
1851
Younger, Wm.
X
1071
1033
5.03
53.52%
9.00
3.08
1.25
56
66
7
28th Oct
1851
Younger, Wm.
X
1071
1029
5.56
59.15%
8.00
3.15
1.33
1.5
56
67
8
14th Nov
1851
Younger, Wm.
X
1071
1029
5.56
59.15%
8.00
2.70
1.25
1.5
57
66
8
26th Mar
1852
Younger, Wm.
X
1071
1031
5.29
56.34%
7.00
2.26
1
1.25
56
66
7
28th Jul
1852
Younger, Wm.
X
1071
1034
4.89
52.11%
8.00
2.73
1
1.17
61
67
6
10th May
1853
Younger, Wm.
X
1071
1030
5.42
57.75%
9.00
3.05
1.5
1
57
68
7
14th Oct
1851
Younger, Wm.
60/-
1072
1030
5.56
58.33%
1.50
1.13
1.75
56
67
8
6th Oct
1851
Younger, Wm.
X
1072
1029
5.69
59.72%
9.00
3.20
1.25
1.5
57
67
7
3rd Dec
1851
Younger, Wm.
X
1072
1029
5.69
59.72%
1.5
57
66
8
27th Mar
1852
Younger, Wm.
X
1072
1031
5.42
56.94%
7.00
2.22
1
1
56
66
7
26th Mar
1852
Younger, Wm.
60/-
1073
1030
5.69
58.90%
4.58
1.64
1
1.5
56
66
8
30th Apr
1853
Younger, Wm.
60/-
1073
1024
6.48
67.12%
5.00
1.90
1.5
1.5
58
67
7
13th Oct
1851
Younger, Wm.
X
1073
1030
5.69
58.90%
9.36
3.20
1.25
1.5
56
66
8
4th Nov
1851
Younger, Wm.
X
1073
1030
5.69
58.90%
8.00
2.67
1.25
1.75
57
67
8
15th Dec
1851
Younger, Wm.
X
1073
1031
5.56
57.53%
8.57
2.86
1.5
57
67
7
4th Dec
1851
Younger, Wm.
60/-
1074
1034
5.29
54.05%
4.32
1.52
1.66
57
67
8
30th Oct
1851
Younger, Wm.
60/-
1075
1033
5.56
56.00%
5.00
1.67
1.25
1.5
57
67
8
12th Nov
1851
Younger, Wm.
60/-
1075
1033
5.56
56.00%
5.00
1.54
1.25
1.5
57
67
8
22nd Jul
1852
Younger, Wm.
60/-
1075
1036
5.16
52.00%
6.00
2.14
1.17
1.25
59
68
7
11th Nov
1851
Younger, Wm.
X
1075
1028
6.22
62.67%
8.33
2.78
1.25
1.17
56
68
9
26th Nov
1851
Younger, Wm.
X
1075
1036
5.16
52.00%
1.94
1.82
1.5
58
66
6
21st Nov
1851
Younger, Wm.
60/-
1076
1036
5.29
52.63%
5.00
1.69
1.5
1.25
56
67
8
24th Jun
1854
Younger, Wm.
80/-
1076
7.42
2.65
1.5
59
17th Nov
1853
Younger, Wm.
XX
1076
1033
5.69
56.58%
7.88
2.80
1.33
57
67
7
24th Nov
1853
Younger, Wm.
XX
1076
1029
6.22
61.84%
8.00
3.00
1.5
56
66
8
30th Nov
1853
Younger, Wm.
XX
1076
1030
6.09
60.53%
8.00
3.08
1.5
56
68
8
20th Oct
1851
Younger, Wm.
60/-
1077
1032
5.95
58.44%
5.00
1.76
1.17
1.5
57
67
8
2nd Dec
1851
Younger, Wm.
X
1078
1029
6.48
62.82%
5.36
2.00
1.33
56
66
8
12th Nov
1853
Younger, Wm.
80/-
1079
1036
5.69
54.43%
4.50
1.37
1.42
1.5
57
68
7
Average
1073.1
1031.1
5.54
57.31%
6.55
2.37
1.33
1.38
0.00
56.9
66.8
7.5
difference
-2.2
1.2
-0.34
3.25%
-1.67
-0.26
-0.27
-0.62
-2.00
-6.6
-7.4
2.1
Sources:
William Younger brewing record document number WY/6/1/2/5 held at the Scottish Brewing Archive
Whitbread brewing record document number LMA/4453/D/01/014 held at the London Metropolitan Archives
Truman brewing record document number B/THB/C/132 held at the London Metropolitan Archives
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-s9G5ZECgU3Q/TylN3L5-INI/AAAAAAAAIqg/q_WfsEQiv1c/s320/England_vs_Scotland_part_3_b.JPG (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-s9G5ZECgU3Q/TylN3L5-INI/AAAAAAAAIqg/q_WfsEQiv1c/s1600/England_vs_Scotland_part_3_b.JPG)
I keep staring at the hopping rates hoping something is going to jump out at me. All I can see here is noise. The London beers are a much tighter set, though the sample size is much smaller. The variation is much greater among the Younger beers. The most heavily hopped has about 3 times as many hops as the least heavily hopped. Averaged out, The London beers have about 10% more hops. Yet I'm reluctant to draw any conclusions. Apart from: in the early 1850's Younger's Best Mild Ales were on average a little less heavily hopped than equivalent London beers.
Thank you boil times. At least you make my life easy in this set. Once again, the pattern isn't hard to spot: Younger's boil times were shorter. There's only the occasional Younger that matches or exceeds the London times. The first boil averaged 15 minutes less, the second almost 40 minutes less. Especially of the second wort. I'll look you straight in the eye and say: in the early 1850's Younger's Best Mild Ales had shorter boils than equivalent London beers.
The differences in fermentation temperatures have been reasonably consistent until now. Younger's pitching temperatures being around 4º F and the maximum temperature 7-8º F lower. This time both figures are pretty similar. Which makes things dead simple: in the early 1850's Younger's Best Mild Ales were fermented on average 7º F cooler than equivalent London beers.
This is so easy. There's an obvious pattern in the length of fermentation. None of Younger's beers took fewer than six days to ferment, most took longer. Six days was the longest London fermentation. No need to say any more: in the early 1850's Younger's Best Mild Ales took about a day longer to ferment than equivalent London beers.
Once again, Younger's attenuation is lower. But not as much lower this time. Only about 5% less than in London, whereas previously it's been 10%. I'm not so sure there's much significance in this. The difference in ABV is pretty minimal, too. Especially as the average OG of the London beers is slightly higher. The FG of Younger's is a bit higher, but again not by much. Idon't feel confident about saying anything much for certain. In the early 1850's Younger's Best Mild Ales were slightly less attenuated than equivalent London beers.
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I'm still running, stumbling and falling. Metaphorically, you know. We've moved on to one strength band to what, for the want of a better name, I'll be calling Best Mild
I'll run through the categories I'm using before we go any further. I've split the Milds into these bands:
1060º - 1069º Mild
1070º - 1079º Best Mild
1080º - 1089º Special Mild
1090º - 1099º Extra Special Mild
1100º - 1109º Imperial Mild
That should make the description easier for me.
As you can see, this comparison thing is going to take a while. There are still three more posts to come on Mild Ale alone. And in this set, as I do have Porter and Stout from Younger, there will be more styles to compare. Such fun. What did I do with myself before I discovered Scotland?
England vs Scotland early 1850's Mild 1070º - 1079º
Date
Year
Brewer
Beer
OG
FG
ABV
App. Atten-uation
lbs hops/ qtr
hops lb/brl
boil time (hours)
boil time (hours)
boil time (hours)
Pitch temp
max. fer-ment-ation temp
length of fer-ment-ation (days)
2nd Oct
1850
Whitbread
X
1070.6
1027.7
5.68
60.78%
7.87
2.42
1.17
2
2
64
74
6
9th Oct
1850
Whitbread
X
1072.0
1029.9
5.57
58.46%
7.98
2.41
1.5
2
2
64
74
6
24th Sep
1850
Whitbread
X
1073.7
1027.7
6.08
62.41%
7.91
2.42
1.5
2
2
64
74
5
7th Oct
1850
Whitbread
X
1073.7
1030.5
5.72
58.65%
9.95
3.13
1.5
2
2
64
74
5
8th Oct
1850
Whitbread
X
1074.5
1031.6
5.68
57.62%
7.85
2.59
2
2
2
64
74
5
25th Sep
1850
Whitbread
X
1077.3
1029.1
6.38
62.37%
8.36
2.76
2
2
2
64
74
5
25th Sep
1850
Truman
X Ale
1078.1
8
2.67
61
1st Jul
1850
Truman
X Ale
1078.4
8
2.62
63
9th Oct
1850
Whitbread
XL
1079.2
1033.2
6.08
58.04%
7.98
2.65
1.5
2
2
64
75
6
Average
1075.3
1030.0
5.88
59.76%
8.21
2.63
1.60
2.00
2.00
63.6
74.1
5.4
5th Apr
1853
Younger, Wm.
60/-
1070
1029
5.42
58.57%
5.00
2.21
1.5
58
64
7
20th Oct
1851
Younger, Wm.
X
1070
1031
5.16
55.71%
8.00
2.95
1.25
1.5
57
67
7
25th Nov
1851
Younger, Wm.
X
1070
1032
5.03
54.29%
1.61
1.67
1.33
57
65
7
2nd Mar
1852
Younger, Wm.
X
1070
1030
5.29
57.14%
7.00
2.19
1.08
1.25
56
67
8
24th Jul
1852
Younger, Wm.
X
1070
1035
4.63
50.00%
8.00
2.74
1.17
1.25
59
69
7
20th Apr
1853
Younger, Wm.
X
1070
1031
5.16
55.71%
7.73
2.83
1.5
1.5
56
68
8
23rd Apr
1853
Younger, Wm.
X
1070
1027
5.69
61.43%
8.00
2.87
1.33
1.5
55
66
7
4th Oct
1851
Younger, Wm.
X
1071
1033
5.03
53.52%
9.00
3.08
1.25
56
66
7
28th Oct
1851
Younger, Wm.
X
1071
1029
5.56
59.15%
8.00
3.15
1.33
1.5
56
67
8
14th Nov
1851
Younger, Wm.
X
1071
1029
5.56
59.15%
8.00
2.70
1.25
1.5
57
66
8
26th Mar
1852
Younger, Wm.
X
1071
1031
5.29
56.34%
7.00
2.26
1
1.25
56
66
7
28th Jul
1852
Younger, Wm.
X
1071
1034
4.89
52.11%
8.00
2.73
1
1.17
61
67
6
10th May
1853
Younger, Wm.
X
1071
1030
5.42
57.75%
9.00
3.05
1.5
1
57
68
7
14th Oct
1851
Younger, Wm.
60/-
1072
1030
5.56
58.33%
1.50
1.13
1.75
56
67
8
6th Oct
1851
Younger, Wm.
X
1072
1029
5.69
59.72%
9.00
3.20
1.25
1.5
57
67
7
3rd Dec
1851
Younger, Wm.
X
1072
1029
5.69
59.72%
1.5
57
66
8
27th Mar
1852
Younger, Wm.
X
1072
1031
5.42
56.94%
7.00
2.22
1
1
56
66
7
26th Mar
1852
Younger, Wm.
60/-
1073
1030
5.69
58.90%
4.58
1.64
1
1.5
56
66
8
30th Apr
1853
Younger, Wm.
60/-
1073
1024
6.48
67.12%
5.00
1.90
1.5
1.5
58
67
7
13th Oct
1851
Younger, Wm.
X
1073
1030
5.69
58.90%
9.36
3.20
1.25
1.5
56
66
8
4th Nov
1851
Younger, Wm.
X
1073
1030
5.69
58.90%
8.00
2.67
1.25
1.75
57
67
8
15th Dec
1851
Younger, Wm.
X
1073
1031
5.56
57.53%
8.57
2.86
1.5
57
67
7
4th Dec
1851
Younger, Wm.
60/-
1074
1034
5.29
54.05%
4.32
1.52
1.66
57
67
8
30th Oct
1851
Younger, Wm.
60/-
1075
1033
5.56
56.00%
5.00
1.67
1.25
1.5
57
67
8
12th Nov
1851
Younger, Wm.
60/-
1075
1033
5.56
56.00%
5.00
1.54
1.25
1.5
57
67
8
22nd Jul
1852
Younger, Wm.
60/-
1075
1036
5.16
52.00%
6.00
2.14
1.17
1.25
59
68
7
11th Nov
1851
Younger, Wm.
X
1075
1028
6.22
62.67%
8.33
2.78
1.25
1.17
56
68
9
26th Nov
1851
Younger, Wm.
X
1075
1036
5.16
52.00%
1.94
1.82
1.5
58
66
6
21st Nov
1851
Younger, Wm.
60/-
1076
1036
5.29
52.63%
5.00
1.69
1.5
1.25
56
67
8
24th Jun
1854
Younger, Wm.
80/-
1076
7.42
2.65
1.5
59
17th Nov
1853
Younger, Wm.
XX
1076
1033
5.69
56.58%
7.88
2.80
1.33
57
67
7
24th Nov
1853
Younger, Wm.
XX
1076
1029
6.22
61.84%
8.00
3.00
1.5
56
66
8
30th Nov
1853
Younger, Wm.
XX
1076
1030
6.09
60.53%
8.00
3.08
1.5
56
68
8
20th Oct
1851
Younger, Wm.
60/-
1077
1032
5.95
58.44%
5.00
1.76
1.17
1.5
57
67
8
2nd Dec
1851
Younger, Wm.
X
1078
1029
6.48
62.82%
5.36
2.00
1.33
56
66
8
12th Nov
1853
Younger, Wm.
80/-
1079
1036
5.69
54.43%
4.50
1.37
1.42
1.5
57
68
7
Average
1073.1
1031.1
5.54
57.31%
6.55
2.37
1.33
1.38
0.00
56.9
66.8
7.5
difference
-2.2
1.2
-0.34
3.25%
-1.67
-0.26
-0.27
-0.62
-2.00
-6.6
-7.4
2.1
Sources:
William Younger brewing record document number WY/6/1/2/5 held at the Scottish Brewing Archive
Whitbread brewing record document number LMA/4453/D/01/014 held at the London Metropolitan Archives
Truman brewing record document number B/THB/C/132 held at the London Metropolitan Archives
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-s9G5ZECgU3Q/TylN3L5-INI/AAAAAAAAIqg/q_WfsEQiv1c/s320/England_vs_Scotland_part_3_b.JPG (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-s9G5ZECgU3Q/TylN3L5-INI/AAAAAAAAIqg/q_WfsEQiv1c/s1600/England_vs_Scotland_part_3_b.JPG)
I keep staring at the hopping rates hoping something is going to jump out at me. All I can see here is noise. The London beers are a much tighter set, though the sample size is much smaller. The variation is much greater among the Younger beers. The most heavily hopped has about 3 times as many hops as the least heavily hopped. Averaged out, The London beers have about 10% more hops. Yet I'm reluctant to draw any conclusions. Apart from: in the early 1850's Younger's Best Mild Ales were on average a little less heavily hopped than equivalent London beers.
Thank you boil times. At least you make my life easy in this set. Once again, the pattern isn't hard to spot: Younger's boil times were shorter. There's only the occasional Younger that matches or exceeds the London times. The first boil averaged 15 minutes less, the second almost 40 minutes less. Especially of the second wort. I'll look you straight in the eye and say: in the early 1850's Younger's Best Mild Ales had shorter boils than equivalent London beers.
The differences in fermentation temperatures have been reasonably consistent until now. Younger's pitching temperatures being around 4º F and the maximum temperature 7-8º F lower. This time both figures are pretty similar. Which makes things dead simple: in the early 1850's Younger's Best Mild Ales were fermented on average 7º F cooler than equivalent London beers.
This is so easy. There's an obvious pattern in the length of fermentation. None of Younger's beers took fewer than six days to ferment, most took longer. Six days was the longest London fermentation. No need to say any more: in the early 1850's Younger's Best Mild Ales took about a day longer to ferment than equivalent London beers.
Once again, Younger's attenuation is lower. But not as much lower this time. Only about 5% less than in London, whereas previously it's been 10%. I'm not so sure there's much significance in this. The difference in ABV is pretty minimal, too. Especially as the average OG of the London beers is slightly higher. The FG of Younger's is a bit higher, but again not by much. Idon't feel confident about saying anything much for certain. In the early 1850's Younger's Best Mild Ales were slightly less attenuated than equivalent London beers.
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